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#1 Posted : Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:52:12 PM(UTC)
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I fly Southwest rescued and Argentina in two weeks, I currently have tendonitis inflammation of the foot and thus likely will field Sprint shoes from trying to figure out if we can turn what the shoes sat for several hours I figured I was dumped and cursed a lot.
It is a cold climate, this is the end of pendant and Fitz Roy.

The results received are weighed 16 pounds portfolio including food for three days in case of trip (unlikely)
Or in the case of a trip with a partner that knows how to travel not heavy bag weight is 14 pounds including food for three days.


Safety point is not resolved is the last rescued last week from Ushuaia said that as a result of the snow one of their tents collapsed, I travel with Perino's lighttent2 new tent, tent tunnel 1.9 weight (maximum weight minimum and no additions of pegs and repair kit etc) this tent can carry up to 1 pound of snow before it collapses you no good , Lightweight solution that I can think of so far, including in the event of a serious snow TRAP sheet that stretched over the tent-shaped pup tent with walking sticks and strings and the sharp incline, not allow the accumulation of snow, the main drawbacks of this solution are hoagoram for an extra six pounds to the weight of the equipment and except for my bdimion, I haven't seen it work anywhere. I'm open to alternative solutions and ideas on the subject.

Put the table in the following, I would like to hear if someone thinks something is missing an item or there is something more.


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#2 Posted : Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:57:57 PM(UTC)
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:16:48 PM(UTC)
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About shoes, is about these shoes.
The North Face Sieve
In combination with opaque stockings
Seal Skinz

I'd love to hear if something has experience with one of these products
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:22:14 PM(UTC)
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Schatz, why do you sound like a news item next month, likely not.

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#5 Posted : Friday, February 16, 2007 3:52:13 PM(UTC)
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I don't know about a perfect solution to the problem. If you want a tent resistant heavy snow you need 4 seasons tent, and they weigh a ton. Tharp shouldn't help you. To keep Tharp properly has a lot of experience in real terms (and the clear experience) and it usually doesn't help if the wind changes. My experience with tents, but the rule is that Tharp users, easy tent in three seasons and a heavy tent for winter. In the vast majority of cases the Tharp much less effective in storm vs tunnel tent.

Anyway so I wouldn't worry. The best way to prevent the tent to collapse under snow is keeping a cane beside you at night, and how long to strike the tent and lay the snow accumulates without leaving the interface. If the snow storm strong enough, and you're worried about the tent is unlikely to be able to sleep at night either way.   Even if God forbid the course under snow, too.  It sounds strange, tent collapse on rain storm is much more dangerous than snow storm that snow not wet. In the event of a crash, and you can't use your hands frozen because they (and this is indeed a real danger in the cold if you're not careful or MITTENS) just roll as the little tent fabric as oorama (launched bedtime) in lapa (tent), and get some more covers from spirit.

Again, the statistics speak a more dangerous at a temperature a few degrees above zero rather than several degrees below zero.

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#6 Posted : Friday, February 16, 2007 4:05:01 PM(UTC)
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About equipment depends critically on what mediate temperature you're going against him, and if you're going to get through blizzards in sleeping bag potnciliot (which depends on the food and spare President of future weather), or on foot. Very important to be the source was (takes several weeks) physical and intellectual, too, so you know your equipment and techniques for use in low temperatures.

Oh, I almost forgot, additional equipment you want at a temperature below freezing is an empty plastic bottle with a wide opening. The last thing you want to do in the middle of a snowstorm is to get your hot bedroom household to pee.

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#7 Posted : Friday, February 16, 2007 9:31:33 PM(UTC)
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About acclimatization of embrace your attitude, and therefore the first time pass on short routes

I added a bottle.

About the Trapp family I'm not sure I explained myself well, my thought was to take in addition to tent three seasons even Trapp, and in the case of a serious snow, over the Trapp triangular tent, which will allow snow to accumulate, I think your advice is more practical.

The cold zone walk is Fitz Roy and Toros del fin in March, read information on the subject, including the book treeking in the patagonian andes of Lonely Planet to my mansion in the Everest region they don't write nonsense. Accord is about the last three months are recommended to take a trip this month to write the best ratio between the weather and the number of visitors, but also during the summer months there are cases of heavy snow, snow and even sometimes at short notice.


Ronnie, your tips and knowledge helps a lot, thanks.
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#8 Posted : Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:14:12 AM(UTC)
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If what you write so Lonely Planet wasn't even supposed to have problems unless you really don't get lucky and do bollocks.  I'm really not familiar with South America (and would be very nice if you get to write on the trails) but I guess there is a certain analogy between there and walk in the Sierra or Colorado.     In such places the foot in the last month of the walking season (September in this case) is that the optimal maximum snow the previous winter had already melted during the summer from the ground and lightning storms p.m. more. Fresh deep snow on the ground is a problem because once that is above 30 cm is starting to slow you down considerably (a bit like walking in mud).

At the end of the summer if there's a Blizzard or two, snow almost always melt within a few hours, at most in a day or two (unless in a century) that the ground still warm from the summer. Required several days of very strong source (minus 10) to cool the ground enough that the snow will last.    Another thing you should know is that heavy snow falls in the relatively high temperature of above two degrees below zero, while the lower btemp has less snow.

If you take two or three days of extra food you shouldn't have any problem. Just sleep in the tent until the storm and snow melt.

Tips for walking in very low temperatures that help some people:

If you suddenly walking time, or worse, cold rain to stop and put the warmer clothes. Although many natural antia (including myself) is not to stop if it started raining because the body immediately cools.  Many times we find bodies of hikers who wear short clothes and freeze to death in the snow storm although in their case has much warmer clothing. Until these travellers decided to put the clothes, their hands froze to the point that they were unable to open the file. Lock, fastener, when my fingers aren't moving because of the cold. (I tried to get my frozen toes here to thaw them, which helped respond a little movement in the mouth and also used two to open some ריצ'רצ'ים in these situations).   Food-very low temperature part of the food such as chocolate gets very hard. I preferred to use the cakes and cookies (what in the famous rapist) fat-proof rovioot in very low temperature.  On cold nights I immediately sleep sack some of these cupcakes and eat them when I wake up in the middle of the night from the cold. Digestion of food increases the metabolism of the body and helps keep you warm (especially when the body is you fat food was and it takes longer for the body to digest).  I don't know what kind of oil of this species in South America, you will have to experiment for yourself.

Night wear shoes and a bottle of water with you in the bedroom. That way the water will freeze, and you won't have to put your feet in shoes, frozen in the morning (very painful and even dangerous potatnialit).

Sometimes, if you don't have dry clothes, and if your synthetic sleeping bag (much less sensitive to water), you should sleep with wet clothes. That way at least partly itibsho likely until morning, you won't have to put on your own clothes on the rocks, despite the price you pay for it is the sleep sack can accumulate the water vapor in the form of ice. In addition, fast clothes start to smell horribly.

Another thing you may want to take out of the country are some of the garbage bags major rank lights (I think they call them in Tel Aviv Isabel).  Like every plastic bag are completely opaque to the water so that you can insert into your clothes launched bedtime to ensure you stay dry even in strong rain storm, and even enter into them (the lower part of the body, not entirely) and the sleeping bag, and act as a VAPOR BARIER adds a few more degrees to sack.  The big advantage of bags they are orange-Isabelle. Orange is the color the most artificial. I hung the Isabel on my backpack in the season to avoid getting shot.  In case of an emergency, if God forbid you wait for rescue bags hang out so you won't miss you.

Again, not likely, but you should know.

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:35:54 AM(UTC)
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I have a question regarding entry into a bag

What happens if I put the bag/bag water bottle night they get hot from my body heat reluctant to heat the water temperature (as it is usually cold) I read some stuff on winter treks in the recommendation to bury the bottle water in snow, it's like building an igloo and igloo that stop them from frozen, it must be something with experience It's really work? What should be?
What about keeping the water in the tent, no temperature can be expected inside the tent when outside temperature is just below zero?
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:03:26 AM(UTC)
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First of all, with less critical water on bedroom with shoes. The water in your water bottle start to freeze at a temperature below freezing but high temperatures from about minus five, the water will freeze completely, only the top layer. If you have a water bottle with rachbrachb just shake the water and break the ice, and then drinking the liquid water. So all the water needed organs solidify, overnight temperatures closer to minus ten (of course, it depends on the size of the bottle and how long you sleep).  Just don't use the bag water like Platypus, also because they have a large surface area (cools faster) and mostly because the water in the pipe from Platypus was an animal freeze really fast and clog the pipe.  Again, this is a really low temperature probably won't experience them.  In fact, Greece to be at the end of the summer, the relatively warm water sources that are coming out of the ground and simplest method is just to fill out every time a new water.

In other words, the water won't bother you you're doing this season. Wrap the worst-case water bottles in your spare clothes and again take a lot longer to dry.

Although it is irrelevant the notion of bury water bottle may work in a very low temperature. Here's the physics of the idea – remember, snow mainly in the relatively high temperature of several degrees below zero, and as the snow is an excellent insulator because of all the air it contains, the temperature of the snow will be (at least at the beginning of the season) just a few degrees below zero even if outside raging storm of minus 20 degrees Celsius. That's the idea behind the igloo. The bottled water that will freeze but Greece still bshleg that the temperature gradient between the inside of the bottle to hozzo, low water freeze slower.  In fact, if you add things like water and juice powder (made primarily from sugar) put temperature freezing of water in some extra cost and thus in principle could prevent freezing completely. Of course, that have to pay by the drink name are lower than zero Celsius.

The tent will be at approximately the same temperature of the environment unless it is small enough to put your body heat, because the tent three seasons not made of lightweight material.  Monolayer tent is built to protect against wind, rain and snow, keeping the temperature of a hot body, but it is much less effective for a bottle of water already. The bag is what's contained. As I mentioned, the best way to protect your water bottle without having to put him in a bag is to wrap them in any clothing and gear that doesn't fit with a bag (and incidentally, the only ikrero bag at first, until they reach temperature and heat bag won't lose them).

BTW, I was able to overcome a dozen atzpnot and looked at the table. One problem is that your aliiner is made of cotton. There's a reason that one of the key legal equipment is cotton kills. If the cotton gets wet-liner thing, he loses its insulation ability and takes forever to dry. Even a garbage bag used to do a better job of cotton although it feels to sleep inside a bag.   I noticed you don't have MITTENS (can't remember what the Hebrew word gloves without fingers).  Required (!) and take them with you, especially if you suffer from low temperature.  The first part loses its cold fingers function is even at a temperature above zero. Gloves are much less effective, because they have a much larger surface area, and use gloves minutes actually worse may use gloves because gloves even minutes will separate your fingers and increase the surface area.  I use a brass mitans (dries quickly and isolated even when they are wet) used as gloves.

In case of an emergency as shntcaim without gloves use socks and do it before my hands were freezing!  * Unprotected hands with surprising speed and really hard to thaw them out that circulation to the hands stopped.

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#11 Posted : Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:41:01 PM(UTC)
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I liked the explanation for another glass in the snow, I guess I don't get to use that would be almost the temperature below freezing but remember him,

Use of MSR hydration bag Deluxe Bag Drom have a very good experience with in the past seven years, I don't like to travel with bottles, so I will make sure not to stay in water tube and maybe even wrap the bag if necessary.

You are 100% right about the liner at the time when I bought my shcsh the tkmatnati on to me and now it's time to pay double. I basically want to use liner but I can't decide on the type and I need some advice and recommendation, I understand that there are two types: General breathing and breathing kolmaks Governor such as rubber etc., silk shala breathing prevents perspiration to evaporate which fridge and injects shcsh moisturizer,
I can't figure out what better shhashimosh it would also be trekking even a sheet sack sleeping in hostels is blue and I sleep with filled Twizzlers nightwear socks hats and gloves to Miller (all these synthetic clothes brass etc) and anything else I need to buy it in Israel because I fly next Friday.

About gloves I get advice, except the gloves silk 86 minutes have more serious's gloves, I need some advice which is better to take
Brass mittens not sealed, not norpland's resistance to wind and rain sticks.
Warm insulated gloves with fur lining, these gloves for skiing, snow, rain, etc and allow a certain freedom in your hands
MITTENS-insulated gloves, but not spirit, less hatomot greenhouses, evaluate as sealed and rarely work.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:24:12 PM(UTC)
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It seems to me you are controlling as much as I do about your equipment and give you advice. But I'll give you advice though, just because I like to give advice from arrogance.

The MSR sounds good, especially compared to Platypus, its two-minute lifespan.  Still, it's not necessarily a bad idea to take first a plastic soda bottle with a wide opening. It won't cost you money, used as a backup if the bag begins to leak, and if you get stuck somewhere in the sack and don't want to be out in the middle of the night to pee, you can also use the bottle immediately.

Instead of isolating the pipeline of the MSR (they sell such isolation, but I doubt you'll find it in Israel) just blow into the mouth every time you finish a drink, so there will be no water in the pipe that they freeze.

About Miller, the only "ה"לינר used was a large garbage bag once or twice in an emergency. If you sleep with your clothes inside liner to steam, you're going to smell even faster than Leiner not airtight. In addition, avoid drying clothes-liner thing and vice versa, it's raining, they sweat. It's one of the reasons that drive to use in addition to clothes-liner thing. I suspect that the miner "breathing" raise the level of fumes inside and reduce evaporation.    So I would go with the breathing-liner thing, especially if you use hostels, when comfort is more important than maintaining temperature.

About gloves. It's kind of hard for me to judge.  Brass MITTENS always worked great for me thick, because they are isolated even when wet, and, unless wet them completely atbltam, even if the outside was wet, the Interior came in contact with the skin was dry (because warm hands). Another advantage of MITTENS is that you can easily put on the gloves, so if you suddenly need to use you fingers off and then returns immediately.

Don't know if this works for you.   Might do. Get something frozen priser and try to hold it with the glove, and see what works best for you. And maybe ntitor emulates you.

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#13 Posted : Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:50:37 PM(UTC)
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Schatz, Ronnie: I enjoyed reading your series of survival in the cold. Just make sure you go up North after 1956, from the source to send signal  102.
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#14 Posted : Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:24:12 AM(UTC)
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The cotton liner liner Perino's switched to
Http://www.ferrino.it/homepage/products/SLEEPING_BAGS/accessories_113/PRO_LINER_1042

There is also a question.
What food should you take as emergency food
Emergency food: lightweight, nutritious, doesn't require cooking
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#15 Posted : Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:27:29 AM(UTC)
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Chocolate is the perfect solution. Keeps forever, is everywhere.  Lots of sugars, complex carbohydrates (digested more slowly than sugar and therefore hold you longer) and fat.  Less protein, unless you buy chocolate with peanuts, but emergency don't need protein.    Oh yes, and it's delicious.
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#16 Posted : Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:30:11 AM(UTC)
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If I'm reading the discussion then maybe donate something, although I haven't been in this kind If you consider nitkaim, approximately 2000-2500 calories per day. Diversity: raisins (or dried fruit), and nuts. Both are similar to chocolate is speaking, about 600 calories for 100 grams. Both meet the criterion stances, you don't have to Cook, some protein (nuts), nor nishrfim the body as fast as chocolate.
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#17 Posted : Saturday, February 24, 2007 5:04:35 PM(UTC)
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Thanks and inacla,

Sounds good,
2500 calories: something like 400 g emergency food per day consisting of alternating chocolate raisins and nuts or peanuts, dried-fruit, all the food it will take probably the best ...
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#18 Posted : Saturday, February 24, 2007 8:05:19 PM(UTC)
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I'm a little torn about dried fruits.  All the fibers dried fruits cause they decide much faster than chocolate. It is good against hunger, but if you're trying to eat 3000 calories a day, much easier to do it with than chocolate with dried fruits.  It's one of the reasons the Kings find a week for two weeks on the apalch that their appetite changed Quaker Granola and chocolate.
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