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#1 Posted : Sunday, March 4, 2007 10:40:58 PM(UTC)
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Met for a young, acting out a month paratroopers before they did. He went even at night in some parts of the trail and only when there was enough moonlight. For me to walk in this completely unnecessary risk. Say it another way: walk at night is dangerous!!! if it were possible I'd forbid it completely.

There are a few places I know that doing short routes to moonlight (full) and it's just a guide and emergency lights. Places like Wadi hoarim (field), the cave near the dead sea.

Anyone want to comment?

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#2 Posted : Sunday, March 4, 2007 11:01:12 PM(UTC)
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I think you exaggerate greatly.

Many sections of the trail are kurkar ways close to the targeted areas.
Of course forbidden to walk reasonably nature at night (which is already a matter of law).
Let's see:
Traveling at night is dangerous.
Traveling alone is dangerous.
Explore close to cliffs.
This road is dangerous.
For air (in some places).

I'm not saying you have to risk, just a minimal security measures.

And I suggest you try your impression may change.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, March 4, 2007 11:11:45 PM(UTC)
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Totally agree.  Walk at night is dangerous only if you do stupid things, but it also applies to walk each day.  If you use a walking sticks and Moonlight/flashlight or going too fast, I think no more danger at night than during the day.  The big problem is losing the trail at night, but it's different for critical way, and this rarely happens. The challenge of navigating at night (without GPS) is much more than a challenge, and different navigation techniques. (I almost never "cut" when I lose the right path toward where I guess I hope is doing every day, but repeat after me).

Vice versa. Sometimes it is important to make the night walks for safety reasons. For example when it's hot during the day. Not so hypothetical situation is what you do when you run out of water and you're in the middle of the desert. Unless you are buddy and the Judean desert, you wait for dinner, then go into shitkrer tonight, and it could save your life. If you are experienced in night walks have a tremendous advantage over someone who had to go at night for the first time in case of an emergency. The initial rate is very slow in most people don't usually go at night and takes a few days until you learn to get to your natural night walk in at night and walk the natural rate is slightly slower (is roughly kph slower) as per day, which reduces the risk.

A lack of full Moonlight, the first night walk we recommend to start late at night, so if you get stuck (losing for) all you have to do is wait a few hours and then enjoy dusk light.   If you do it on a full moon, wait for the third day of the full moon, that when the Moon is at the latest (the moon shines every day about 50 minutes later).

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#4 Posted : Sunday, March 4, 2007 11:17:13 PM(UTC)
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Places like Wadi hoarim (field), the cave near the dead sea.

Some places. Come on ... What a beautiful South ... Not to believe it.

Highly recommend these two in the moonlight.

I am, no matter what area of life, trying to take what minimum risicot in my responsibility when I covered a maximum of change won't depend on me, to issue – so there must be some what you both say not severe, in both directions, my personal opinion is you should check everything about track (topography, Ltd./m and more) and decide whether you can "control" again. No unnecessary chances,-safety safety.

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#5 Posted : Monday, March 5, 2007 12:29:37 AM(UTC)
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I fundamentally object to walk at night. * If you don't have *. But there are situations that must or should greatly. And in this case better to know what to do. Not to mention there are many dirt trails.-If you know what you're doing to the Moonlight can be very nice. However, who has no previous experience in night walk, Israel * not * the place to begin to practice it.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:39:15 PM(UTC)
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I want to make the batter, especially now during the summer when brown dogs in each track that you select daily. I have lots of experience in and always wanted to go to full moon light without a flashlight that see great!!! If something can give me suggestions for tracks I'd love to write here and also the practical basis. ... hehehehehehe hopefully I won't break

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#7 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2008 12:06:59 AM(UTC)
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I made the horn section to Paran in the night of a full moon. I have to say it was overcast (drip) and moon sank pretty early (in zone 4?) but there was no point where I felt it was dangerous. Even if the track wasn't selected, wasn't a problem for reach-20 with a bit of common sense, of course.

And common sense is the most important thing is that really an asshole who do you suppose but Amud has quite a few points that I felt a problem with walking at night. I didn't because it was upsetting to me these days, and what's the point? -View.
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#8 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2008 1:57:26 AM(UTC)
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My son ended up going at night in upper Amud stream to reach the supply vehicle so we went slowly and carefully in the light of headlamps as every time any of us had seen the signs of the trail he announced to the others. In this way we went slowly and carefully all around the cliffs. The second option was to get stuck on the cliffs until morning with minimal supplies and we didn't want to do it. Are we smarter? I'm not sure, but I don't regret it for a moment. There is no doubt that this type of gait requires a lot of caution and appropriate measures like a flashlight and sticks and lucky not to meet head-on with dangerous animals or a casual abyss underground.

I think in certain cases (not my case) can indeed go at night and provided that it is easy to walk and route marches has stated. Believe it or not but the briefing shvil Israel I moved years ago Danny Gaspar certainly consider this as an option that is appropriate for your situation.

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#9 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2008 1:59:36 AM(UTC)
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And nmrdxt-thanks for the blessings.
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#10 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2008 3:00:00 AM(UTC)
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#11 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2008 3:39:00 AM(UTC)
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As Dani Gaspar said: an option in certain circumstances.

Last week a tour guide took his life in area caves luzit night trip he leads.

True full moon places that see through and no problem, but when I say generic recommendation to avoid draws. Havarim is example represents the full moon nights and bright like the moon itself. There are other routes are suitable for moonlit nights. And the scenery?

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#12 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2008 8:19:31 AM(UTC)
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Morning/Goodnight to everyone!

I want to address the issue from a slightly different angle.
This forum, my experience of the messages I read here is a source and lots of consultations before society. Ecoles company in independent travel. Besides them, constitutes a forum for discussions on various topics related to regular trips between usually more experienced. (More than)
Like anything, this experience is to be determined what is considered dangerous and what is safe.
I for example Jeep enthusiast with extensive experience in the field. Not every obstacle to feel safe for a person to be sure it is one of the first in his field and try many cases liable to lead to disaster!

The same tour theme (and here up to the Israel National Trail). Similarly I would recommend to anyone who asks on the Forum do not travel in the desert in July and August for several days but doing it and think I'm a risk-taker, so talk about walking at night.
Walk at night requires experience! Who decides what that experience is required? In my opinion-definitely not the Forum ...

As I explained in another thread how requires walking in summer in the desert, I can also list what requires walking at night. Me personally have attempted it and there was a time I was doing the night of Shabbat 21B trips once a month. (Except, of course, hundreds and perhaps thousands of kilometres to gmanti alone at night in the desert when I was in the military). However, if you ask people here if it's a good idea, how to do it-I just don't recommend! Whoever asks a question like that (or similar questions on various subjects) shows that he lacks experience and therefore would not equip him with the same recommendation of how they just don't!

I think that should be the spirit of this type of forum topics just because somebody else small provider may think recommendations received here enough to tze'elim stream.

And BTW, even walk in Nahal members at night can be dangerous if aushit nonsense. Groups often led there at night and saw with my own eyes how momentary inattention could lead to fall of goodies. Again, it's all about experience and common sense!

Hope I helped,
Jonathan

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#13 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2008 10:28:35 AM(UTC)
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Thanks a lot, as always.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, July 1, 2008 12:35:58 AM(UTC)
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Agree with Jonathan.

Also, itself is in daylight can be dangerous for a person who is not experienced or not prepared properly. See "drying out" travelers.

We (the lack of choice) skipped the crest night walk on the path below. In this case appears to be more dangerous to climb the crest in the next day in extreme weather conditions that prevailed at the time. Was heat stress, and we had to go at night in order to arrive at SDE Boker intact and dry to death on the nicest thing for me. Here are actually enabled common sense like that nmrdxt specifies.

In retrospect, we got an interesting experience which included, almost full, Moonlight, herding dog pissed that we see, hear and phosphates of the hazdahla her Chin slowly North in the middle of the night when she cut the Mufti in noise. Because we went on a dirt road, it didn't seem like there was a problem with security, although missed the crest.

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