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#561 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2012 1:26:35 PM(UTC)
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The constantly updated and always six days ahead. Here, I was happy to follow and see that the rain had lessened Friday, to 8 mm.
Now it's-forecast heavy rain, 32 mm, mainly afternoon onwards. Hope that pessimistic forecast.

However, what is affecting the pouring rain on the first day.
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#562 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2012 1:32:23 PM(UTC)
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URI Dror 4-רפוג'ו reporting and logistics:

-Prices big prices as written. It is very difficult to get less than 50 euros per day and even more difficult to removed more than 80. The private rpog like more expensive (about 50 euro for half board, while those of the CAI about world euros per bed) but when you start to calculate the public additions, like a shower, dinner, breakfast, arrive to prices and even more (!). In practice almost every day spent between 60-70 euros per person, dinner all 3 dishes, wine, beer, cake in the afternoon and chocolate for lunch on the way.

BTW, we almost always thermal and climatic just seems stupid for us not to buy eco bottles (to three euros per liter) when there is so much water. Unclear why they insist on. Our combination of tradition and habit, wanting a little more space and taking responsibility for my stomach.

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#563 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2012 1:39:41 PM(UTC)
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URI Dror רפוג'ו-5 tax reporting and logistics

Apparently it's to bring a sheet or pillowcase from home is not only recommended but practically required. Not that we saw someone enforces it, but there are many signs. And even in the public rpog this. On the other hand, who doesn't care too much, all the rpog (except maybe one) flip flops or Crocs so you can save space!

See you tonight in the report.

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#564 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2012 5:26:01 PM(UTC)
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Hello everyone,
We returned yesterday from week 5 days on AV1 + day in Cortina area/TRA-chima (a great trip you want details).
Start with the bottom line: d-Jerusalem. Sweat walking side chose towards pampering and deceived, I think part of the spoon that sit on the porch for a pint and a good book.
In our parts meet quite a few hikers, there are busy areas, pretty rafiog. I find it advantageous to meet many people.
To repeat the words of my predecessor: low weight, easy.
The weather was so-so: used in the canopy than sunscreen. Not bothered too much, had to improvise. But also take into account continuous and strong rain, as it was last night when we left. When it rains and thunderstorms, high humidity, perhaps equal to carry a small towel.
Prices: similar to what has been posted already. Order in advance and private rooms (approx. 100 euro for two), with dinner and a snack in the afternoon (and lots of beer) an average of 150-170 euros for two.
Maps: who could pass on the mtkamzen map (31), and for the story.
Water: no problem filling in most places, it's popular and tasty water.
In total, who breaks all the information and shirshors have excellent, ready and feel "at home". This opportunity to thank again to Joe and the rest of the guys (Amnon, milquetoast, I don't know many blogs like this).
Good luck, my uncle (and Guy)
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#565 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2012 9:17:16 PM(UTC)
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URI Dror tax report 6 – logistics: רפוג'ו

As I write – on the last day (according to the story), Terence's unmanned rpog on top of mramol (the end of the day 11 under "story"). Well, it is not only not required because if you leave early, you can catch also descend into 7 alpini, but today it's impossible that the rpog (Tin container) was abolished, or "pulled" away:

The place looks like today:

So not really a good idea to build on it unless you want to build it.

Another who goes all the way and finish the itinerary from rpog 7 alpini -from there walk up to case bortot.

Where there is a beautiful stone with bronze that terminates the for respectfully. But ... You don't just get out ... Or order a taxi to take you to Belluno (rpog telephone numbers 7 alpini) or keep away on foot along the road another three quarters of an hour to Bolzano. (Not to be confused with the city by the same name – this Jesup? down the road) where there is a bus that brings you to Belluno (not far from there is a snack bar where you can eat pizza and get a bus ticket – that the unknown driver!). Of course you can continue to Belluno itself (story of another 45 minutes). Belluno itself a nice town with many old mines and buildings, churches and gardens and is well worth a visit for three hours, including some ice cream!

This is about ogisticot and speak business. The following reports will be more spiritual.

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#566 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2012 9:30:48 PM(UTC)
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URI Dror – report No. 7-days route recommendations 1 to 5 (number of days according to the story, toni sanmarchi):

As noted above, report No. 1 after we got back, we did the track according to the Scriptures "ב"סיפור – for 12 days and the MCP to work cold. Usually around the main "ל"מסלול without uriantim, however, we couldn't not to exceed slightly and created several variants of our own. Here are some of the things that did not appear in the story and highlights + + description of the day of the Ascension and the descent of amramol, at the request of the Board. Days not described here – made by the description, even if there is rpog that ends today, as listed in above.

בין pederu   ל fanes – The story he writes this way boring thing and even recommend "bouncing" in the car he just drove it himself. A lovely walk section of the trail that runs parallel to the road and her 90% of the time, including her not easy at first. Definitely recommended. Incidentally, before splitting on the way – right and left loorala panas to take me out (2022) has another רפוג'ו panas to take me out that he wasn't "real" but only a small branch.

Between Lake Lagazuoi (lagacio) Between La Paz and rpog have the same name, the AV1 For 20 good backup option, especially for those who sleep on scotoni Is to zigzag down the beautiful and Valley of skotoni and rise in 18B in 20A , in beautiful western flank and interesting and probably less frustrating than to go on line and see all the way up, not really close.

In a separate area Playground de rozes (4 ב"סיפור") an interesting possibility it did is to annex North Road and go up to 404 Fontananegra forcella (With or without accommodation in giussani ) can cost ב"פרטינה (privatization ...) of the pegs Scala minghel Or work around anyone who prefers to skip list (issue list – even further.)

That day is mentioned in the story through a visit to a cave with privatization – Graotta de playground So privatization is very simple (below) but not really cave justifies, in our view, the delay of an hour.

Rising to the top averau A harpog with the same name – recommended-stunning.

On day 5 of the story the way we recommend visiting mzoaoliti site in mondeval The site is beautiful, but it's a big rock. Compared to that, the Lake Valley, horses, donkeys and the hut where – and on top of that, especially if you have a rash like early in the season.

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#567 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2012 9:36:52 PM(UTC)
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URI Dror – report No. 8 – day 6 route recommendations (numbering the days by story of toni sanmarchi ):

6 the day Mike recommends the rising cost for separate Pelmo The saddle arcia forcella val d 'it is strongly recommended (then go to Venice and rpog), but the changes in the grounds and map it for 480בין tax רפוג'ו fiume rpog a venezia.

The story and ה"ישנות maps (until 2005 and probably 2006) shows a map and a description of her steep Canyon North to Val d ' arcia New map himself (2011 and maybe earlier?) marked trail that rises on the North Bank of the Valley itself, so please note – for although Mall still exists and is marked but is not maintained and in really bad condition, mostly if cost where thunderstorms, lightning, hail, rain and wind (as of course did) from above it looks like path mode is much better and it is recommended to select it (they reach him bareback right) speaking There's also more trail Valley, the southern route for its changes over time – see map.

The descent on the other side remains as is and is not problematic. Anyway this section is highly recommended!

Marking and old trail:


Marking and new path:

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#568 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2012 9:38:05 PM(UTC)
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URI Dror – report No. 9 – recommendation track days 7-10 (the number of days according to the story of toni sanmarchi):

These days made according to recommended, except day 8 which added some diversity ":

Instead of the separate section of the Moiazza sud West and South to Paso Duran, decided to climb rpog and acoler East and North for 558 towards val delle sasseboarding difficult but not something who knows how to take an hour and a half to two hours rpog vazzoler reach first saddle height where 2420 entering the Valley itself is magical place – Valley of karst closed all passages full 1300 configurations of unique rock weathering, and karstis workshop includes Lake (empty) – in short – a perfect crater Cross (on the same Bill 558) takes about an hour and a half until you get The following vendor forcella delle sasse 2476 height.

From here begins a descent towards the Southeast and then South to the marked Sentario angelini Like many other trails in the area – a decline is relative, as the poet said – there are ups and down (...) including pretty scary section rising from inferior forcella 2328.

The last part about 578 until Paso Duran has been simpler and in the Woods, but here, too, your knees strong facts

All descent from sasesa porch – about three hours. In short – not easy with cold feet (literally), but beautiful! One of the most beautiful, if not the ...

Incidentally, during the drop pass on Grisetti bivecco At a height of 2050 unmanned is רפוג'ו in emergency – a tin container and can him softened jolts some refugees in an emergency like this thing was on marmol until removed from there for some reason.

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#569 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2012 9:41:27 PM(UTC)
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URI Dror – report No. 2010-11 route recommendations (numbering the days according to the story, toni sanmarchi):

11. recommends the story from rpog road Pian de Fontana Mount the schiara for pass known as marmol and then (after Lina not possible today because as stated rpog fork) to lose a rpog you can privatization 7 alpini.

Many do not do these days, they're actually one day, mostly because of via privatization. Start and say that there is no special problem. Only a few, and then quite a bit, but if you start early enough (about 7 in the morning, just in case, but also eight.) got to finish in time.

The path starts descending "stimulates" feynan rpog de Fontenay followed as retaliation for steep Forcella la vareta All about the good path, 514, which continues another mile and something most people there choosing to go down for רפוג'ו direction 518 bianchet and 203 road.

We went about making a little less 514 maintained, but not problematic (except sirpedim) through which a log cabin called Casonet de nerville Also mentioned in the story through on build: a. is the largest ago so hadn't really tired on she's devastated.

Her start to climb really high rise and rise some more. The scenery turns from the arid forested, and in our case a partially cloudy to maonn heavily. However – there is no technical issue and the mist (we had. Not promising anything.) Was that not the for the markup. Also for the markup and not getting a high score and availability but does not pose any problem. At some point (after about three hours of Fontana harpog) reach the saddle – forcella del marmol in the story the way he writes with humor, you shouldn't go at the Mall next door (he writes, but his directions confused – this ...). This is a serious piece of ground water whose don't see ktsia fog. Again, please do not panic – cannot continue to just about the fire.

From there begins the first privatization section includes beginning over the mountain to the South and then East to decline to where was the Bivecco del marmol (Already mentioned is not 22.) somehow this map marked with dots and crosses, but privatization is like everybody else – i.e., without fixed Iron Mountain in p sections with iron scales. (See below description list separate announcement). On the way there split marked where right turn West, rising to head of the schiara we we gave because we didn't know how we with time, especially because the fog limited the view of a few dozen meters. In the story the way it says it takes about four hours to go until bivecco but what took us half an hour less.

From there begins the real privatization lower to 30 harpog 7 alpinithere any sections that require a lot of technical cable clips a few pegs and a number of ladders there are some scary parts, i.e., the ones you see if fall is probably not going to end well, some 500 feet below. But why fall? You can hold the cable and, if needed, to connect! (Again – see below – list). It is impossible to get lost, but it takes a long time. The Times story says way and taken into account. It took more like four. The fog did not improve our morale because we haven't seen much on the other hand, we haven't seen too much can fall down.

After you finish with the privatization which stated further down to rpog (see him for at least an hour early, depending on fog) and blow the Strudel and dual! All things rpog Fontana took the Alpine seven hours but went slowly, so not worth calculating 8 not to disregard the weather. If it's raining, some hail, storms, or thick fog not seeing the tip of the nose – worth giving. Otherwise – experience it!

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#570 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2012 9:42:59 PM(UTC)
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URI Dror – report No. 11 – 12 day itinerary recommendations (numbering the days according to the story, toni sanmarchi):

The story mention of amramol (as noted on the previous day) and beyond or in rpog 7 alpini there indeed .

The next day was a beautiful day, sunny with no clouds (after disappointing mountain mist) so instead go for more Oriental flanking 501 through 505 to trail saddle Forcella pis pilon For the most beautiful going up and maybe because the weather was full of black lizard (what salamanders amphibians?) in Brown snails, Sudan plated, polished blue beetles and birds.

A fortune Lottery pylon (pylon Koka elephant ...) went for 511. who can continue the following Fortune too (caneva + tanzon ) but we wanted. Ice cream.

Anyway the descent there are lovely (cute and unmanned רפוג'ו named medassa ) but very arochchaaaa and you are guaranteed to feel your knees most of the way through the forest, and at some point connect back to AV1 For 501.

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#571 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2012 10:29:27 PM(UTC)
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URI Dror – number 12 – reporting list (via ferrata)

So it's not like we're experts, but we did some privatizations and mediocrity (which measure that defines them). The locals are equipped from head to toe in the following items:

A. actually climbing harness harness.

B. accessory connection – this is a unique list — to harness plugs her special ring out rope can shorten and lengthen the rope connecting the two ropes or straps so that the required signal is formed Yה"מקל. of the Y is connected to you and both arms so that cable also called has all kinds of gimmicks like folds that are all in the event of a fall and the other spices in the edge of the two ropes Y special rings have privatization – which fact them that they got bigger No spinning with Spring lock to prevent uncontrolled release but not unlock flare like rappelling ring, so it is easier to drop when "flow" on the cable. The method is to connect to the steel cable stretched along privatization with two rings each time you get to the yated move them, one by one, the rest of the cable, so all the time.

In the past, there was also another type of connection called V – Which left two ropes or straps harness straight out officially heard and read is forbidden according to alpinist Association and the climbers and privatizations and that which the something something something "to use.

C. helmet falling stones or fall short and hit his head on a rock or a peg (a fall, a few hundred yards away, probably not perfectly obstructed by helmet ...).

4. gloves without fingertips (but only the final chapter, not like a bike ...) the gloves help keep the bare cable and the edges to loosen the rings easily without they catch on.

That's ... Italians, Germans, English, French, Austrians, and so on. Israelis, however, satisfied with the book of Psalms, no head or Hamsa.

From here I'm warning you have no expertise and we don't recommend anything, just say what we did!

The accessory used is common sense.

We ohtzteidno improvised strap harness (that is, if you know how binding instead of doing it, is no less safe than any harness knoiia – only much smaller, easier and cheaper. Of course, if you depend on it for hours, such as climbing or surfing, it's not nice, but easy and medium, privatizations if not glitch, you can't depend on it if so then a few seconds to minutes.

To the synthesized with ring harness rappelling ropes in two 50 cm in size each (including rings and knots) with rappelling rings edges (i.e. like the accessory V that came from ...).

We took regular gloves and helmet use "nose" scarf and hat a jerk, or ...

Conclusions from all the interest, routes, equipment, we are:

A. it's gloves – mostly not even connected to cable but only held it in hand to balance security and railing and it's not because we're brave (we don't) – just for good enough and we had a need to connect, but in "the edge".

B. could suffice us rope with one ring because of places a stake could stand still, holding the cable and move the ring so that it's secure all the time – not actual theft was relevant and quite a bit of time.

C. also the harness as if it was not us we are about this rescue wasn't as good, only less understandable if Manager is prone and hanging on the rope, the ribs were not due to us then the harness was expressed. Fortunate than us (it's not easy to trip these routes — but not impossible.)

D. actually helmet weren't harmful. However we didn't fall any stone, but the Dolomites are disintegrating, and if we were falling on our heads weren't happy.

The list we made:

1. ladder co minghel scalla goes north toplaygroundperhaps scariest privatization because no ladder on the wall but stuck and you look down all ... And that's just hotzmaza a ladder but long spikes stuck in the wall. (Photos of Tilapia) but no problem.

2. privatization in a cave on the South side of the playground , steel cable completely enough to hold in your hand without any ropes.

3. the top of the averauPlayskool (mostly because there are hordes of kids and families that come to see the view.) a short section of problematic and should connect, just completely.

4. the decrease from novelau – initially just a ladder, then descending diagonal cable ladder Canyon – nothing tricky, maybe a little scary because we did it after rain.

5. privatization marmolin the mposmat Alta via 1 it has backed several rise in cable, lots and lots of descent also backed the cable and the pegs and several "regular" i.e. ladders attached to the bedrock and the decrease or increase it with the wall (less scary) also there is walking on the cliff line height when you hold or are connected to in case cable includes several passages of punctuation above a chasm it sounds a lot scarier than it really is special thing in this privatization. Axis and very long (nearly four hours).

Summary – if you get vertigo when you need to get on a ladder and replace bulb – go around or if you or you moved up, Palmach in Aug, vardit and just jump in, ring, rope zavitan natural reserves gloves and sense-should independent sets in our humble opinion (and this is not a recommendation to do anything that would compromise just to tell you what we have experienced ...)

Enjoy!

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#572 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2012 10:47:54 PM(UTC)
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Marmol photos

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#573 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2012 11:00:05 PM(UTC)
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And a little more to do. ..

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#574 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2012 11:03:16 PM(UTC)
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Hi Joe and everyone,
We're a week to Munich and the course itself on 25.7.
Some questions left open:
-Maps can be purchased at the trailhead and lgazvi. The question is whether they are required or you can settle in for himself?
Equipment-we sleep almost exclusively in private rpog is still better, have expected? We don't have an easy one and I would love to carry as little as possible.
-I suppose there's a very good chance of rain, but I don't need brass. Can someone explain what the clothing in this weather? (Thermal shirt enough a cloak against rain gloves/Hat)
Money-can count on is that most private rpogy will receive a credit card?
Thanks as usual:)41106.8896180556 ehudros
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#575 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2012 11:41:10 PM(UTC)
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Hey Ehud
Maps are required because the trail consists of many paths with different numbers. Without map then you are easy to mistake.
In private rafiog should not float. Travel weight. If you can get Leiner (any travel store) is the best. Don't have.
About clothing. Don't need brass. Have good thermal shirt Cape and storm jacket easy. Better also.
But don't worry. On 25 July is expected to have perfect weather for a few days since before passing near the wet system.
Natural law. After Jack arrives. For how long? It is impossible to know.
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#576 Posted : Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:05:40 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Amnon. So unequivocal recommendation is to buy a lake or lgazvi the map required (3, 24, 25) and complete with a section attached from the 31st?
Each map actually weighs 250 grams-Sparrow. That's a lot! :)
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#577 Posted : Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:18:58 PM(UTC)
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You need to get with the section from 31 March to buy the map and the rest at Lake lgazvi.
The three maps together weighing perhaps 250 grams.
Shouldn't these drift paper maps. Do not laminate.
And besides, you don't have to carry all the maps.
The weight-saving rule say don't fall in.
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#578 Posted : Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:15:31 PM(UTC)
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Natural law comes from: (outlet The weather and the sky paints, tkadrim. Hope to move between the drops.

About-they say flashlight ריפיוג'יו industries bdormitori require a sleeping bag. Is is going to float (i.e. hygiene), or they don't provide even blankets?
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#579 Posted : Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:11:49 PM(UTC)
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Don't worry. They always provide blankets. The dormatori drive to use a bag/sheet/pillowcase/liner
This requirement to benefit people because bdormatori not change sheets every day.
It's not that anyone monitors that check the beds or giving fines.
You can get no sleep on secondhand sheets. Don't say a Word.
Personally I always takes easy liner or sheet.
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Good evening, interested in walking between רפוג'ו fiume rpog venezia, to have kept the maps in the report No. 8 mine up so you can see the old 480. As mentioned above both exist but the new space is maintained.

Yacoub said the maps, where weighing 250 grams? Probably confused, each weighing 120 grams map without the transparent plastic pouch that sells it. Incidentally, the last map (24) have only smallest section so that it can easily take pictures. Always throw.

I, as has a clinical diagnosis, I went with, and photograph, and returned with all home "like new".

About the sheets as I have outlined in report 5 (along with the guidelines attached in the field) – seemingly is required, and there's even a penalty for those who do not, in practice I haven't seen cops enforce it.  Some known harpog such expected one-time fee (that can be used several times) for dirt cheap!

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