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#141 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2016 3:03:09 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = io_travel; 613488]

I can't really explain this round the Horseshoe (concerned) but it's clear to me that if I manage to get some sleep in the tent wasn't even thinking about the differently Trek!

It has too many advantages.

from gangrene, and explain with you ... ... (It's not like carry trekking tent.) boohoo

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#142 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2016 3:15:05 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = io_travel; 613487]

You with a tent???

The TMB went longer or you first time in Chamonix Valley?

We are without a tent.

We at TMB but not Chamonix Valley (started at Le Tour and finished in Les Houches). In Chamonix Mont-Blanc itself we also drove in the back/back to Italy.

Last year I completed the missing section was great, but my wife isn't, so the first day superior to Lac Blanc and end it at Le Tour.

While the TMB us to Col de Balme and then went to Trient, then cable will time and walk directly to Champex as I wrote.

And thank you for your consideration regarding the section from La Sage.

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#143 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2016 3:15:59 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = יענקל'ה Saar; 613489]

[Quote = io_travel; 613488]

I can't really explain this round the Horseshoe (concerned) but it's clear to me that if I manage to get some sleep in the tent wasn't even thinking about the differently Trek!

It has too many advantages.

from gangrene, and explain with you ... ... (It's not like carry trekking tent.) boohoo

זה החופש!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate to order in advance. That you can stop when it suits-npleaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

This is shloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooha

And the corners. To see your tent perfect corner. Near a river or Lake.

Close to nature

Go to bed, get up in nature.

The DOE was visiting when staying there on the ground.

(The bear digging at night next to your tent intact.)

Also the cost savings (אע"פ equipment itself costs quite a bit)

It's fun to know that you're not up to anything, you have everything you need. You are not obligated to and no nose.

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#144 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2016 3:29:35 PM(UTC)
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Agree completely with a long trek in the event that there is no alternative except the tent. If the PCT successfully to have to carry me.

I'm trying to figure out how I got it to camp after several hours of rain or when it rains.

Bthecot can also go without orders and commitments, only need to go at the right time especially. Alone. boohoo

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#145 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2016 3:49:55 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = chenav; 613491]

[Quote = io_travel; 613487]

You with a tent???

The TMB went longer or you first time in Chamonix Valley?

We are without a tent.

We at TMB but not Chamonix Valley (started at Le Tour and finished in Les Houches). In Chamonix Mont-Blanc itself we also drove in the back/back to Italy.

Last year I completed the missing section was great, but my wife isn't, so the first day superior to Lac Blanc and end it at Le Tour.

While the TMB us to Col de Balme and then went to Trient, then cable will time and walk directly to Champex as I wrote.

And thank you for your consideration regarding the section from La Sage.

Since you pioristim anyway, I quit walking entirely and start walking from the Flegere cable car in. Away to Lac Blanc on La Brea.

To facilitate the following day can be challenging despite the rise of cable, try to check accommodation in Val de Arpette. It will save you about half an hour walk at least (I think) you can complete the following day (there are some camping, hostel but there so maybe valuable dormitori.).

Another option is to try to stay the first night in Refuge les Between. This is a cabin very (very!). On and after the Col de Balme ariant great. It is important to check the cabin conditions and make sure that yours. (No meals, no showers, no more or less-and sleepers-though I really just sucked it was full). The tiny cabin as well so you have to reserve in advance (by contact, try to find online). Wonderful location!

This course extends the first day and will be possible only if you arrive during la Tour (after Lac Blanc) to climb to Col de cable already Blame p.m. the first day, but check the option. Advantage-it's easier on the second day and start it earlier, this oariant also wonderful!

Of course, the ideal would probably sleep in but thanks to Col itself "to avoid recommendations Malina on Refuge. The option probably isn't advisable.

Another point: the Europaweg. Checked status?

When I went some of it was closed due to a fallen bridge. In general the track. Feel. It is important to check the latest reports!

If possible give him I think it's safe to skip the walk of the Valley to Zermatt and invest instead in the mountains longer (one any variant you specified). Although about Zermatt itself-don't give up! If you get one of the cable cars up there also, highly recommended!!!

Regarding the section between Mont-Fort for the Col from Termin station: praflori!!! I heard that boariant (which is shorter) has a very steep and rocky section and has impressed some advantage (again-I went it myself ...). The route via Col and the Tremin is beautiful until hardly any Variant connection request.

See the for all. Each section and its distinctiveness and its beauty and ariant. For personal reasons-not very important which and ariant choose pilot and in early September, can be flexible. Accommodation being incomplete-except weekends and especially prflori viiri as Stari wrote.

Also-the weather. A windy day for example is not recommended in Fener de arpet.

Walk in September allows you flexibility, although without a tent, thanks to the relative thinness of. I think I better take advantage of it.

Great track, atzlachaaaaaaa!!!

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#146 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2016 3:51:24 PM(UTC)
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A part of the TMB Swiss signs was worse than in France, and on two occasions was confusing information check on time.

I plan to go on the main track in the valleys and mountains and especially how habits lead.

Can I trust in signage throughout the WHR, so you can decide whether to go in place of the main route or

Take a Variant?

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#147 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2016 3:56:14 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = יענקל'ה Saar; 613494]

Agree completely with a long trek in the event that there is no alternative except the tent. If the PCT successfully to have to carry me.

I'm trying to figure out how I got it to camp after several hours of rain or when it rains.

Bthecot can also go without orders and commitments, only need to go at the right time especially. Alone. boohoo

The cabins have always committed to a certain extent because (thank God!) every bungalow km.

Also when you go alone and even out of season – sometimes missed. I for one could not find a vacancy in Moiry.

Therefore, the most important consideration I forgot to mention: there are tracks you just have them tent!

It's kind of hard to handle slippery tent, night after night. It is very difficult for the Organization and requires long hours inside the tent (which is usually tiny). It is also heavier.

Also quite difficult when there are extreme dry and dusty.

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#148 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2016 4:06:04 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = io_travel; 613495]

Since you pioristim anyway, I quit walking entirely and start walking from the Flegere cable car in. Away to Lac Blanc on La Brea.

That's the general direction, although French tickler me also (again) to the fabulous views from Brevent and go away to Lac Blanc. It doesn't add much. But look how we wake up that morning.

[Quote = io_travel; 613495]

To facilitate the following day can be challenging despite the rise of cable, try to check accommodation in Val de Arpette. It will save you about half an hour walk at least (I think) you can complete the following day (there are some camping, hostel but there so maybe valuable dormitori.).

Know, when we went there on TMB (even got a low hooriant). The problem is that it adds a few more walk the next day, although planned to be based on public transport, it's getting borderline.

It will take us two hours to get to the train station in Orsieres, then two trains (with replacement) to Le Chable, then another should continue to climb up to Mont-Fort. I think we have to be based also on the cable, which is already beginning to suck.

BTW b in Champex, (cheap) I find the en Plein Air Lake Pension. You write that you were there, but most of the reviews online from recent years is shocking. It could be that something happened there, or is it simply a matter of expectations?

[Quote = io_travel; 613495]

Another point: the Europaweg. Checked status?

When I went some of it was closed due to a fallen bridge. In general the track. Feel. It is important to check the latest reports!

If possible give him I think it's safe to skip the walk of the Valley to Zermatt and invest instead in the mountains longer (one any variant you specified). Although about Zermatt itself-don't give up! If you get one of the cable cars up there also, highly recommended!!!

It's my understanding that bridge "fell". The route bypasses it is the new official, which is complicating things.

The advice you gave quite excellent-definitely consider completion in St. Niklaus with public transport to Zermatt, and instead look to add additional day/days elsewhere. Thank you very much.

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#149 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2016 4:15:26 PM(UTC)
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Really? I didn't know that Pension en Plein Air is not recommended. Certainly wasn't shocking. The mine certainly exceed expectations. I think that's enough me nice to me and not too cramped or dirty. Not far beyond. I remember a comfortable bed (was at least half empty when I was there, but because of the renovations of the CAS must place).

Why are you down here from shampacs. There is no public transport.

The showdown? Yes, it's pretty lame to be based on getting slammed. The sequence of highly ל"זרימה donor walk of the track. With all the trades you describe really necessary. I used to go the section. Uh, actually. I went anyway the lol

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#150 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2016 4:21:35 PM(UTC)
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And another question in addition to the question about the signs (up):

What the pros (cons) to go from ZERMATT to CHAMONIX?

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#151 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2016 4:23:07 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = io_travel; 613499]
Why are you down here from shampacs. There is no public transport.

The showdown? Yes, it's pretty lame to be based on getting slammed. The sequence of highly ל"זרימה donor walk of the track. With all the trades you describe really necessary. I used to go the section. Uh, actually. I went anyway the lol

But the timing has a hit with the trains. I tend to agree, even shmramim with public transport is supposed to flow, there is a difference between taking a small bus in the morning or in the evening between Arolla Les Hauderes-and sequence design buses and trains in them Google Maps in real time. I think this back to him, and ntachrden a few hours in the morning in front of the Lake before we hit the road.

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#152 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2016 4:29:46 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = יענקל'ה Saar; 613500]

And another question in addition to the question about the signs (up):

What the pros (cons) to go from ZERMATT to CHAMONIX?

I had no problem with the signs. Not on WHR and at TMB. Nowhere.

Old-timey kind of ignored. I went with a crutch and I've kinda Reynolds. "measured". When they sign on. "Montim" for me. I have no idea how to treat them.

I don't think there are advantages/disadvantages per se in that direction.

Some points though:

It's easier to follow the direction described in the book, the source of the information.

Going with the flow "and therefore meet repeatedly.

There's something nice mterhun ב"צ'ופצ'יק" (gorgeous!!!) you ש"מושך him in the final sections of the trail because it is fast and very unique (especially that way).

As that (like me) went to the TMB already, I think the logic in going away towards the Matterhorn (Mount for you, isn't it?)

But I don't feel that because the walk is really really important.

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#153 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2016 5:30:39 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = io_travel; 613502]

I had no problem with the signs. Not on WHR and at TMB. Nowhere.

Old-timey kind of ignored. I went with a crutch and I've kinda Reynolds. "measured". When they sign on. "Montim" for me. I have no idea how to treat them.

I don't think there are advantages/disadvantages typically the walk way.

Some points though:

It's easier to follow the direction described in the book, the source of the information.

Going with the flow "and therefore meet repeatedly.

There's something nice mterhun ב"צ'ופצ'יק" (gorgeous!!!) you ש"מושך him in the final sections of the trail because it is fast and very unique (especially that way).

As that (like me) went to the TMB already, I think the logic in going away towards the Matterhorn (Mount for you, isn't it?)

But I don't feel that because the walk is really really important.

The text in blue suits me cool .

At TMB (AV1 in) I realized it is important to have a map. If the signs well enough they also settle in WHR.

Also for me times are for settlement: route 1 across the route.

The TMB of experience my walking pace is faster than average and/or more hours almost every day, met

New people.

I found that there is an advantage in terms of scheduling flights + trains start in ZERMATT.  Reach John about

At 11 a.m. (Al) and the afternoon arrive by train to ZERMATT, instead of being half a day in Chamonix Mont-Blanc.

The end of the Trek Chamonix afternoon and the next morning, to Georgetown and Lethem.

In Zermatt was more than once (also in Chamonix Mont-Blanc), just not in as a tourist.

Thank you boohoo amber.

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#154 Posted : Saturday, June 11, 2016 6:55:35 PM(UTC)
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Another friend and I also plan on early September as soon as we tmbachns.

It seems to me to be pretty representative forumcool2

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#155 Posted : Sunday, June 12, 2016 9:28:31 AM(UTC)
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Okay, I found an amazing website:

Zermatt tourismus-http://regio.outdooractive.com/oar/en/tourplanner/

I reached him from the family, and he's starting on ב"זום, but there is actually a cover of all Switzerland. (Applicable for example also to Alpine Pass Route)

The site lets you build a track as you want based on existing trails (also ל"ציור") and gives you their full profile! (And even the times system, but don't know how ...)

It is possible to "drag" the route to pass certain points (like Google Maps), print the results, and even export to GPS files in various formats.

For millennia no them and planning information available online.

Amazing.

For example, to the Col de Balme had planned from Champex-Arpette Fenetre d ' way:

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#156 Posted : Sunday, June 12, 2016 2:26:44 PM(UTC)
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Wow. Thank you for your website. I am testing it now. I was really upset that cannot easily be marked trails from OSM, and download it to gpx. And it seems to be exactly what this site gives. Excellent.

I sat down yesterday and today about file Google Earth comfortable to WHR. I used information from urine "alink brought up a few days ago, and a couple of sources. And now I also add new site information.

The file is here (and you can see a few lictti files from the network uploads link in my previous post here). It contains the friendly Division (including variants) level accuracy. And some extra variants.

Update

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This site is really amazing. It really is exactly what I was looking for. I am now updating my file to be updated directly with information from OSM. Thank you very much.

Edited by user Sunday, June 12, 2016 11:13:09 PM(UTC)  | Reason: עדכון לינק לקובץ החדש

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#157 Posted : Sunday, June 12, 2016 8:44:51 PM(UTC)
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Wow amazing site! Much better than what I used to date.
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#158 Posted : Sunday, June 12, 2016 8:52:16 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = ninelives99; 613517] wow amazing site! Much better than what I used to date.

Altogether. By the way, I saw now that also cover Austria, southern Germany (Bavaria) and Northern Italy (Tyrol). Very impressive.

Edit: it also works in France (at least in the area of TMB). Although no red marking of trails, but the software "know" them anyway and try to build a track, she knows how to follow.

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#159 Posted : Sunday, June 12, 2016 9:39:20 PM(UTC)
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Yes, I think the site will work worldwide. He calculates by routes information from OSM, so it works also with Israel as long as the paths are updated properly in the OSM database. Really good.
There are a few features I'd added. But it's certainly very well built.

This is passed all sections of this site friendly. Anyone interested, can use these segments as a basis for planning. I now take gpx and kml files each, and put here a link to a library of files ready. But the advantage is that the website chshmida is updated in OSM, the information on the site is updated. Here is the link to the sectionsI put too many mistakes.

Update:

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Here is the link to the updated Google Earth file containing all sections in high accuracy.

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#160 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:07:12 PM(UTC)
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Hello everyone already has tickets to Geneva on 19.6 for two weeks, we understand that probably too early in the season and still cold and snowy, looking for new ideas or other area (assuming we can modify flight destination) that correspond to the dates.
We don't have that option to change I'd like to thank Committee recommendations
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