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veredb  
#1 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2007 2:18:53 PM(UTC)
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At Govrin has invested aimed at people that u.s. volunteer Medal and I

Recently created a long rush of travellers along with insufferable behaviors collection such as climbing the gate at 3 a.m., staying for another night without coordination group or us, repeated requests of travelers to stay one more night. Although only in advance cannot. Smoking room especially leaving the room dirty and contaminated. Ungrateful behavior that reduces our motivation to keep the room for.

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#2 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2007 2:25:50 PM(UTC)
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What survives writes very sad. Israelis ugly theretoo. As people grow up, tirbana, unfortunately, the surviving describes. Don't know how to prevent this behavior.

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#3 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2007 2:29:40 PM(UTC)
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Collect money?
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#4 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2007 3:50:37 PM(UTC)
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It's not free.
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#5 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2007 7:50:55 PM(UTC)
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Are those bilists? Because if not, I suggest you first not predetermined daily camping will be such problems.

Groups? Arriving at 3 in the morning? I don't think bilists

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#6 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2007 8:56:25 PM(UTC)
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Those who bilists everyone very nice nonetheless. The company went on leave (also nice) tried to leave the kibbutz at three o'clock in the morning to the gas station.

Coordination is more problematic since many phone calls during the day and we have no desire to manage and log tracking. Our approach is "Welcome" who came out of a desire not to refuse.

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#7 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2007 9:10:37 PM(UTC)
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Yankele.

I understand, know, know that the accommodation without money and Kudos to rose and dahlia.

I replied to your question: "... Don't know how to prevent such behavior.

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#8 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2007 11:18:59 PM(UTC)
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I wonder how these people leave the camps at night in the field and the place where they ate lunch. When there are clearly decreasing quality and mass

The only way to download monitor is unfortunately taking money. "Psychologically speaking," when a person pays for something he also appreciate him and therefore saves him. The money also will be used by you to ongoing maintenance and allow you to upgrade and improve the payment could be between $ 10-50 icons depending on the level of filtering that you want to do. To request money for a service that you offer is not an embarrassment but I think respect!

Moreover the payment do filtering of people and decrease the number making it easy to handle accommodation

I really hope you don't let a few rotten apples to spoil it for everyone.

Shabbat Shalom everyone.

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#9 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2007 1:16:54 AM(UTC)
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Dalia and ward

You're doing a great job and help many people. But you don't have them nothing. If someone remains more than you want, you can remove it "courtesy but firmly." About "the rules"-a small sign with a message, but conclusive?

I'm with oz for a small fee per room-10 NIS etc. Not just a side of dignity, but also a little כ"קופה to complete. Israelis were dirty and. Even the "bungalow" Ramot Menashe burned.

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#10 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2007 4:05:31 AM(UTC)
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Yankele.

I understand, know, know that the accommodation without money and Kudos to rose and dahlia.

I replied to your question: "... Don't know how to prevent such behavior.

collect money. Mmmmmm's. Then they take the taps, because they paid ... ... ... And after all, Harry had also tap up on me.
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#11 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2007 10:32:49 AM(UTC)
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The principle on which he activated the room is open to anyone who wants a free and guaranteed, register to have donations to benefit the maintenance room, some leaving beautiful and those amounts don't even ...

Payment is problematic because it requires us to charge at the entrance while a large part of the time we land people by phone on how to get into the room.

The possibility that comes to our minds is to limit the number of visitors to 7 at night. That problem is that travellers are asleep or at Tel Lachish beacon and arrive at 10 a.m. to take his place.

Maybe too good room (usually there are towels, bedding, electric hotplate, kettle, coffee, tea, sugar, and dry food) and should download to download the.

Incidentally, before one plate travellers asked to cook pasta in an electric kettle to save gas.

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#12 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2007 12:32:06 PM(UTC)
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Hi rose,

The mount amsha (2005) room was excellent + great for me and my partner (both of the concepts for seniors ~ 55). There was then: 4 beds with izronim (no bedding), + iklacht (without charge) electric kettle, mini fridge + milk, coffee, tea and sugar. Hmm ... And a rag and wipe the squeegee + bathroom. Register and leave a fee for ongoing maintenance. 40. the isharano is both alone that night instead.

Your room sounds like a 5-star hotel. I can see why travellers want to stay there anymore. If they slept outside some nights so bed with bedding, a towel (), bathing, dry food () and I am sure that the room looks fabulous. And the area is great for relaxing over a day at bet Guvrin.

In the Forester in Yatir forest has to throw. There is a list of General do room, including a request to keep the room neat and clean for visitors. There are no linens and towels, 3-4 beds + izronim. The room looked a little better but the equipment as amsha fridge + Kettle/coffee maker.

I think therefore that the Hellenes in which to pay. Right this way to filter stronghold some visitors.

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#13 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2007 1:40:53 PM(UTC)
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It seems to me as if only Sparrow 777 set phone to aalchim know they leave identifying information. You should know who's sleeping in your room at night.
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#14 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2007 3:03:24 PM(UTC)
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In the room there are towels and bed linen and towels. In the last two weeks because we rush. Put in messages with rules of do's and don'ts, but apparently it's not enough for some time.

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#15 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2007 10:30:38 PM(UTC)
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Too bad like that.
I think that for the benefit of the public (no need to shut down foreign room) better money back.
I also suggest anyone who publishes "Trail Angel" in his site that adds etiquette. Once you have one, that's the first thing I would do.
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#16 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2007 2:43:08 AM(UTC)
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Indeed, 10 NIS looks fine to me; The psychology of symbolic payment can work (unless you work the psychology of ' paid and therefore hurt, not us). And that's a problem: easily accessible location plus good conditions.
I mean also add list of etiquette when I update the introduction for the following season. Admit and confess I added the rules Leave no Trace, but I didn't think there was a need for etiquette.
Turns out I was wrong.
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#17 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2007 3:40:26 AM(UTC)
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Unfortunately this reminds a known phenomenon on the Appalachia.
There, in many cases, similar spaces were closed due to inappropriate treatment from people, I came to the motel knew about those books that she receives free travelers and then discovered that they decided to close their doors due to ungrateful behavior of some visitors.
I'm sad to hear that the phenomenon has reached the country.
And in the u.s. it is common to put "donation box" with an explanation of the difficulties in maintaining the site and request to pay by.
Good luck in whatever you decide.
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#18 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2007 2:00:39 AM(UTC)
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Hello rose

I am so sorry to hear about the recent phenomenon of bilists don't respect your room and the efforts expended.
Hiking with about four people per room at Govrin, received instructions from you or a medal, we found the place and felt like heaven.
We were so grateful for a warm shower, coffee and tea amenities there (someone left even unspeakable indulgence body lotion in the Middle for) we left in register and donation wrote in a notebook and titano the room all the sand out of our shoes.

I hate that other people do the same camping site.
I have something to offer as a solution to the problem (maybe a small fee, though I'm not sure that what's to stop them from acting like it). Basically I just wanted to say thank you and to let you know that there are a lot of people who appreciate what you've done with this one. So thanks!
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#19 Posted : Sunday, May 20, 2007 7:03:22 PM(UTC)
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I haven't written in a long time.

The cetreti to hear about the mess. Fortunately all those who slept with me until now were 100% and even more. But I don't really have to much much less visitors than you and Ma. .

When your neighbor in pretty close download I recommend hold and collect money, despite what you wrote here. But set stricter regulations and list more clearly to be to cast.

In high season a little boost. I guess your move quickly among the cast.

I think the problem can be overcome altogether. Anyway I would love to talk with you about what you can do about it and as I said I just ailchn.

Of course you have to remember there's always a chance you will cast it wrong part of it.

Don't despair eventually things get into fixed standards

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