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#1 Posted : Wednesday, August 8, 2007 11:17:47 PM(UTC)
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Just to add to the knowledge and care.

This week I was planning to do a section for airdenit. At the end, but never really got started. I went from about airdenit one can reach sleeping at Kfar Kish arrived very tired after walking for hours in the dark, and I went to bed (in the middle of the seat) didn't put the case close enough to me. I woke up around 5 and saw my case and "disappeared" members for all their gear. All basa. (No more excuses of "sons of boiler).

Beware!!!

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In the morning we found the bags within 60 meters when completely orange in the grass, just without the cash and credit card.

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#2 Posted : Thursday, August 9, 2007 12:53:52 AM(UTC)
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According to your post in the General Forum and the fact that you travel in August a. Who is at one of the Jordan? Sages of Chelm. Who walks in the dark? As many fools. And the result: feet are aching, nirdmtam, did you not read what I write here about keeping valuables, i.e. put them inside the sleeping bag and. .. And thieves that you don't even know.

Got a great rate!! Hope you learned your lesson! The next time you read and learn before you go into the field and after. And I just ran out. Friends Conference members paid in recent weeks are much more expensive price!

And to think that if two sons said Netanya who lost their lives yesterday in the sky Award "all!" which oillot! All of you are doing!!!

Clever shark got nun! Tishmach to return safely home.

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#3 Posted : Thursday, August 9, 2007 3:46:02 AM(UTC)
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יענקל'ה, you're a locust confuse ultra-Orthodox yeshiva boys yeshiva religious guys. The difference is quite profound. While agree with the mistakes upstairs, but Orthodox yeshiva boy hadn't come to this situation, the fact that he wasn't coming out ל'סתם ' section of Israel, had no travel case and not a sleep, and more.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, August 9, 2007 11:39:57 AM(UTC)
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A. true seating.

B. the thieves really learned a great lesson. We usually put between plati-Aboards ' medical files (no km) but as I wrote were very tired and fell to sleep without noticing.

C. about walking at night, we had the lights for it and we had to get back to full of water, almost over. (By the way, wasn't planning on just went in the Creek (black) that was holding us and any stage prior to expect questions lost in a way so in retrospect we went out at night).

D. went one because then we come to the North was hot but we knew that whatever we had in 10 liter sbiviot for two people (no cooking) and we (and we were) it should last for half a day.

Now you can also write "wrong way how many fools!" "Why did you go into the river?" etc. All I did was my safety was not a concern to us.

About mom from Netanya. "Heaven" I can explain (but after the explanation you will answer and it's not), you don't expect it to yell at the grave "stupid why are you irresponsible" or something. "Don't discuss."

There's something in what you say and yagil mine (and my friends) don't even secular person next door!

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#5 Posted : Thursday, August 9, 2007 6:57:33 PM(UTC)
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Arnon?

Hello there!

I open it and say I'm not going to attack you. You're just moving an unpleasant experience that probably didn't deserve, and I don't know you well enough to determine. However, your obvious things about why yankele trying to tell you.

Put the following article:

Http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/spages/888390.html

What's the connection? You ask ...

In an apparent accident on the way. The article was written before the unfortunate event happened in ...

You admit you're a religious guy, so I'm afraid I don't myself my things to be influential enough that we speak a different language! I will explain:

When I travel, and iithera, when tour groups Guide, I rely only on myself. It is clear to me that an accident could happen is preventable by myself (in 99% of cases) So I take security factors from here where possible! Like that! So when a certain woman takes a trip in the hottest week in resin (which I don't recommend to do that) I know that despite the harsh conditions, did enough and safe trip. (Including vehicle escorts, not knowing that after travellers 10 backs filled with water and a lot of confidence!).

You, however, know that if you do everything that is in your hands. so you give up a little. (Because it is by sky!). So, you go out for a walk at at hottest place in the country, without enough water (. ..), lost, and fell asleep when he's hanging not observation. (At least not when he's not in the sky). Incidentally, if you leave your gear in this way in the isolated country, it is likely that the files were gone in the morning. But in this case there were no cameras but the food!!! (A little more sucks when you have a few days until the next refueling.)

In short, I hope you don't take my כ"התקפה", note that of the road came many of you travelers simply dangerous. The proof that this out of concern and attack is Carlos ' post on "peak times on Israel." The two messages that my units in the last few months come from the same place-a concern for peace people!

Hope wheels,

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#6 Posted : Thursday, August 9, 2007 8:40:41 PM(UTC)
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R all thinking pretty clever except for distance: Jordan to Kfar Kish is about 25 km and it is a day not. And the evidence all come at 10 pm. Lucky I went just money and stuff.

Walk in the dark is dangerous! There are quite a few places with ignorance. And you are wrong. In the pit, just like your friends in Persia.

Life is worth little more than hiking cliach, teenage without a basic knowledge of navigation and experience. Travel is not the point. The point is to travel safely. You're doing it. Don't know what the safety briefings, this is more for the jaw. Look in the next week, maybe there is mention of Seth.

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#7 Posted : Thursday, August 9, 2007 9:28:41 PM(UTC)
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Jonathan wrote:

"You, however, know that if you do everything that is in your hands. so you give up a little. (Because it is by sky!).

Is it true that everything stays always in the hands of heaven "but doesn't cause-zrcanot has an impact on what we do here" Heaven "who himself is this poor compromise it up (for more details on the question can be more ofthis amoneim sites (Cap)) what I did due to judgment no zrcanot to share the judgment-that's why I'm here--but that doesn't mean I'm vacation (the same route began two weeks ago and returned after consulting with Ma because it was hot and there was enough water-about six per person).

Besides ... as not much article writing yagil talking-I while before Army (which doesn't mean I'm young, ....) but I and ishivati members enlist (two weeks ago raising 30 combat company, and first asiirot replies), and if you assume all the travellers have a percentage of damage.

Like I said I incla ready to debate the safety of information but make it clear that they did not result from zrcanot. The truth with maps the size of a matchbox seemed close. (Just ... I finally got a normal map and).

Leaving Rabbi you write-lack of knowledge he spoke less about technical details and more about the importance, and like I said it's helping (all hikers and no casualties as heat).

You are a little aggressive there, have a history of religion?

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#8 Posted : Thursday, August 9, 2007 10:19:18 PM(UTC)
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Jonathan j, I beg you, too, and I can say with full responsibility that there's not much ldbrich about. You do see religious national salad, you confuse regular tours-errors are fairly common for notifications, and your psychological interpretation.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, August 9, 2007 10:33:36 PM(UTC)
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I'm very angry that people have deprived. Ovallm ovallllllm, a young acting and paid for it with their lives. Sad that Rabbi (or rabbis) talks about the importance of the trip and not paying attention to safety. Did your summer travel Rabbi for a whole day? What does he know about travel safety? At least lucky you found other map you would go without a map. Interesting how you found the map? Whether particular search map here, looking for what you wrote about?

I am very rachookkkkkkk from religion.

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#10 Posted : Thursday, August 9, 2007 11:01:42 PM(UTC)
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יענקל'ה, I still think you're making a salad. National religious yeshiva, likely very few rabbis have made lifetime trips, and the vast majority of my husband and what military experience that he brings. There is no longer any connection between her mistake it's series here, than they have about these four killed in a flood in the middle of the rappelling at Qumran.
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#11 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2007 2:12:57 AM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = Yagil] Jonathan, beg j--I, too, and I can say with full responsibility that there's not much ldbrich about. You do see religious national salad, you confuse regular tours-errors are fairly common for notifications, and your psychological interpretation.

I received!

As religious people are also secular irresponsible as PS and the Haredim really worse.

I don't think I do. .. Just the other day I met three religious girls (nationalism ...?) in the eye. Nice girls who love to travel. I asked them they go (had large bags and helped them lift height ...). Tshobtan- "In the meantime nice." do you have enough water? -Answer stutter "manage!" you know? "About!"

Happily a long message, the rescue unit for extracting Zin day area later, but I was afraid. (Experience shows that rightfully).

Two weeks ago, I stepped part of youth. One of the children was a cute seating (again religious ...). He told me with pride on their trip. Daily Sapphire to mitzpe Ramon. (Maybe I'm wrong and this information was three ...). However, on the last day, in the afternoon, they went into the crater. Once they see a Rabbi send them on "quality".  Go to the Observatory by the eyes and sense of direction, time out! Graceful boy said proudly that this was very special, and he learned much about the desert: "increase to mitzpe was very steep, tried to cut the rounds on the road and each time almost slipped down."  Really know how to travel in this meeting.

There are examples.

For example, the names in high school, 14-year-old, sometimes hitchhiking alone every Thursday and Sunday on full Bedouin areas. Only a year ago was an attempt to kidnap a Bedouin soldier from the 1. This weapon only hijacking. When I take them for a ride and explained about the dangers they see, but they say no yeshiva forbade them. According to them, it's just more "fun" bus, which costs about 5 student Ryan weight on what to do with the trips being judgment supersedes the belief that everything immediately. I don't underestimate it, but it cannot replace judgement!

I know it sounds bad. I have nothing personal against boardroom or the religious. My problem is that statistically, they travel a lot but more than inform. It is true many times in secular society, but mostly guys, much less challenging trips in relation to inform. Of course, in the Orthodox society, a situation that is.

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#12 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2007 2:17:15 AM(UTC)
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I was going to the importance of safety!!! They travel and travellers, and they aren't talking about technical safety importance shouldn't be writing to them set forum to talk about it.

What I'm saying is that there is a high awareness.

I'm with yagil. "Jewish geography".

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#13 Posted : Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:00:54 PM(UTC)
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Oooff. The Forum is back online.  I agree with yagil and Jonathan. Another day is gone, this time in France tourist tze'elim stream. Poor dry. I am aware that national religious rabbis were in the army, knows quite a bit about navigation, etc. And the meeting (s) on micepa don't really give attention to safety as Jonathan. When I crossed the lot Ramon crater Observatory halfway at 2 p.m. to about five young man. Question: "how to get rat Ramon?"  My question: How do you have water? "answer:" take my advice "4 liters will go to close call and I will return you to the Observatory by car continued on our way." When we come to micepa went to the meeting and spoke. Don't know what it is, but similar stories to help Jonathan. I think utilized.

I hope others read, read, read and learn from this discussion.

Good week everyone.

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#14 Posted : Sunday, August 12, 2007 2:42:43 AM(UTC)
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This, incidentally, can be an interesting concatenation: the most incredible negligence encountered.

I have so many stories about travelers who made me drop my jaw, from those who decided to climb up the stream with a bottle of water to five to those who jumped from the zoitan even without checking what's down
I'm surprised you didn't rescue units busy.
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#15 Posted : Monday, August 13, 2007 12:48:29 AM(UTC)
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....

I don't like religious, huh?!
The resulting debate is stupid. Who, chances are that is not among those "Earl" in trails and I trust each and one map had their best during all tours as lost tiibshoyoth, or time constraints, light/darkness, warmth and

Some stupid people on the trails and even more stupid people leading stupid people (yet), but trails the latter and probably not first visited a world forum.
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#16 Posted : Monday, August 13, 2007 1:34:28 AM(UTC)
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Welcome platig a.

Once the religious side. The discussion is about dreaming about travelling scholars for

How is Yael ?

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#17 Posted : Monday, August 13, 2007 9:43:29 PM(UTC)
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Fine girl and I.
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#18 Posted : Friday, October 5, 2007 9:33:59 PM(UTC)
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I'm fine!

Thank you

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#19 Posted : Saturday, October 6, 2007 12:23:28 PM(UTC)
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The first theft was awkward and unfamiliar event. When I moved in Kfar Kish found wonderful and welcoming people. Sorry for you. Generic, drive to secure the equipment whenever possible. The money, a credit and valuables, whether under or the mattress if sleeping in there with Pocket-internal or in a pocket in the walls of the tent, if sleeping in a tent. Within your hand holding a flashlight too and glasses who desired ingredient, and shoes, if you need to suddenly rise quickly to anything.

About-agree with yagil. I don't condemn you for making mistakes because you're religious guy. Your mistake was a rookie mistake, apparently in good faith, at least to get enough water to the track which is good. Long walks in the dark was nicely done and you did it without too many mistakes, there are places where it's easy to make a mistake, especially in the dark. Shows reasonable knowledge and judgment make sense.

Sometimes, teach experience: trip planning consists of planning, designing and planning again! You must make a good distance measurement to each section! Scale 1:50.000 map of trails, 1 cm on the map equals 500 m. Add to that the difference between the map and reality "fines" of 30% surface increases, and the way to Kfar Kish through some ups-and 15%. Look at the topography map and write some of the way, and some don't. Measure the distance, aikolio, accurately and with a wire or a piece of paper with check, language and language.

Using the scale at the bottom of the map, or, get the length in real walk. Suppose you going 2 miles per hour, including stops-the estimated time.

When you've amassed, able to measure distances from experience, "according to the review, and appreciate my time.

Keep good planning, calculation and places of water refilling points, new refurbishment. Also revealed, having to carry less water and food if you know exactly where you are filling out, and take your needs and more.  Less weight on the back = more pleasure from the trip.

And finally: flexibility. If the terrain changes, required to adjust to reality. "Judgment" required a traveler. If the terrain allows, there is reasonable and the dark Moon of Egypt, with enough batteries, you are sure of your ability to navigate the path, no crazy cliffs around the Lila long walk break.

If not, we parked somewhere and continue in the morning. The plan takes into account the amount of water supplies per day, but if you leave at 1.25 km are not enough to go on for six hours. Especially in turn stream increases. Take another 2 liter Lila person We stopped in the Middle, next to a Grove and continued in the morning.

Take a positive experience, learn from it and continue. You are fine.

And all keepers-this particular Esme "inshallah" trip. There's a bona fide mistake thing. Get kid! Give positive reinforcement and attack. "God willing travellers" extracted daily from Nahal Amud, and infusions they receive could fill the sea again. It is certainly not the case.

Jonathan, true--national religious travelers is extracted in commercial quantities relative to others. My father, who ran a rescue unit in SDE Boker in the 1960s, several until today stories about Bnei Akiva travelers who always was. The culture the National Conference is a full and accurate, and those guys are travelling a lot for ' rise and walk the Earth ' this Mitzvah — and often a lack of information. The solution-a religious Minister, Eli Yishai, and says he and his Minister of education a letter with general distribution trip. The Ministry of education and the Ministry of the Interior are better causes to distribute.

I'm a secular Jew, and resolved (although who knows basic Jewish values, evaluates them and imparts them to)-General and appreciate some of the religious public. Just like the moshavim and kibbutzim.

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#20 Posted : Saturday, October 6, 2007 10:04:16 PM(UTC)
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A. thanks for the encouragement.

In another minute I go exactly to Madras to travel 3-4 days, I'd love to write here back Thursday. What a shame I didn't get pictures.

P.s.

Thanks for the help ינקל'ה.

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