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Yanaks  
#1 Posted : Thursday, March 5, 2009 1:22:54 AM(UTC)
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I in early April out to relatively short route, sea to sea in the North to Tiberias via Cliff Arbel that prolongs the track anyway, I buy now.
What equipment I need to track quality. I don't have a big budget right now, I mean I buy just a bag or shoes, and everything else I can handle things simpler I have, say simple or tent kg 100 NIS.
Because I want everything I buy quality continues with me into the future (Israel National Trail, a long trip abroad, etc.)
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#2 Posted : Thursday, March 5, 2009 1:57:44 AM(UTC)
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Two things that don't compromise on them at all! Buy cheap paid dearly.

Bag, uncomfortable, hurts you in the shoulders, pelvis and ruin your back! Choose quality durable bag that you're comfortable with.
To encourage Israel d-75L 65L.
Best friends: OSPREY, SALEWA, LOW ALPINE, etc.

Shoes, shoes, bought through a friend, and I thought to myself, what can be Yes, they were good and strong, but they don't fit! After one long trip, I realized the pain in chmot not worth it and put in new shoes. There are lots of good companies such as: MARGOA is a TOTALLY RENOVATED, ASOLO, VASQUE, etc. You shop, choose what you're comfortable with.
Note: take one, or Alternatively try the shoe with a thick sock, 2 pairs of socks. Why After prolonged exertion simple foot expands natural inflatable! She has nowhere to expand? = Pain! In addition, institutions to prevent blisters recommended wear stocking (liner) and her professional foot stocking (stocking produced from fabric evaporates sweat, kolmaks), what happens is that friction is done between pairs of socks and see your foot into a sock.

Regarding the rest of the equipment, for a trip of several days can definitely "athelb", a ohliia, take a house you have Finjan cooking system/coffee-simple and cheap. And there are of course other examples.

Note that when you want to travel is a time (especially at night), grab the equipment accordingly. LiorEl 39876.9584722222
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#3 Posted : Thursday, March 5, 2009 2:06:56 AM(UTC)
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That's why I want to buy some equipment but more quality.
I understood... For the most important trip I need a bag and shoes.
I have a nice gas burner, the rest really isn't a problem.
This source is a problem for me, I have enough cold, unpleasant but I it:)
At the store I went I recommended a case of North ' pace at 700 shekels, said I don't need anything more ל"אלפיניסטים. ... But because it was supposed to be for a long time I want to mind something more?.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, March 5, 2009 2:28:27 AM(UTC)
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Okay, so:

Military law is not law and a lengthy trip, to tackle it. You literally freezes: 5674, never sleep, and then you go day 20 and ... The effort, increases, decreases, cliffs, not notice, be tired and chilled and hope you may be injured. This does not mean that there are no cheap solutions (like the relatively inexpensive fleece Interior into the bag make it a bit more like it), but as the price rises, so a better product. It's painful but true. If you select good equipment for the first time he stays with you for a long time and eventually will save money.

Secondly, about the case. Decide what size you prefer, I chose אית'ר 70L over in Throop, why? Because although it's a little big in the Israel National Trail (INT) National Trail, but the bag weighs less than 2 pounds, so that weight is not an issue, and I want to use case abroad trip too which I'm going to need more room.
After you've decided about, consider what weight bag (his weight) weight must not exceed 2 1/2 pounds, and is relatively heavy. -Take it in the calculation.
After checking whether the model can work (in terms of structure, and even color), try! The files of all the companies and, at the end of the day, to do the job. Measure your bag when it is overloaded (ask seller to fill it with something, it's not a strange request), go look, it's the right size (Yes, bags come in sizes!), you'll see that it sits well on the back and pelvic strap, which occupies the basin well and comfortably. Go with the little bag for a few minutes and make sure you're comfortable and it fits you. This way you decide.

I don't know the pace and nature of North of their products. I got to experience auspryy, VAUDE, SALEWA and I can tell you they are very good.
The claim that it's "better bags ל"אלפיניסטים misunderstood me. I think they used to sell bags for folks who fly to and looking for big bag that looks professional, you need to know and explain why you used, so that they can offer you.
Do a survey and other stores measure, register yourself what company name and model, search for it some and of people in the network, and so decide.


Good luck!

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Want to save?
In and functional you can use "soldier" card, buy 10-12%! That's a lot of those prices, plus they always perform together with 012, if you connect to 012 to abroad (you don't pay anything you all calling way) then you get a discount of something like $ 150!!! It's a lot. LiorEl 39876.9818055556
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#5 Posted : Thursday, March 5, 2009 2:56:45 PM(UTC)
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I think the most important thing is not to save on shoes and socks, and I urge socks. The first time I went to a three-day trip with equipment on the back I thought about the socks is nonsense and a waste of money – who has 100 extra weight toss about socks? It was a lot of blisters and a lot of pain. Upgrading socks with them shoes, saved all the trouble in the following tour.

About shoes, if you know that you are planning a long trip as Israel trail, invest in a quality shoe (old Oslo, aske, grmont ...). The operation of travel network-first they said I personally upgraded the tour with my shoes and left the price. By the way I did because I thought prices survey also I can get cheaply without VAT, and I can tell you that weight in 100 tone and functional cost less than ricochet.

About the case. Buy what makes you comfortable, company sells to not fall apart in the middle of the trip. I was torn about nortfiis case, wanted to invest in qualitative and lightweight case. After a lot of measurements each time I returned to try nortfiis's case, simply because that's what I was most comfortable on his back. He weighs 2.3 kg but is very cushioned and comfortable. I traveled with him for many miles and enjoyed him. If you buy a bag of nortfiis this what is most convenient for you, not because it's the cheapest or what the seller was trying to get rid of it.

About tent, in my opinion. I traveled in mid-April without a tent. If you have some flexibility in travel dates make sure good weather. It's light and fun trip and just sucks to do it right when you have three days of rain.

Take the fleece and fleece blanket. It's also nice to sit in the evening while sipping hot meal, and you can always get a bag with brass to isolation added.

Overall the trip is really nice and fun, there is no reason for ל"התכלב. Take gas burner for cooking and yumminess. It is possible to obtain water during the track what lower much weight, but to bring the pitzipecs to make a successful experience. Consider the case before the pitzipecs, and add a little ...

Most important to find the right company to go with, and enjoy.

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#6 Posted : Thursday, March 5, 2009 5:36:34 PM(UTC)
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If you keep in the Israel National Trail (INT) and overseas to save that and throw gratoa and over regulation.

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#7 Posted : Thursday, March 5, 2009 11:39:23 PM(UTC)
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I sometime do overseas, Israel National Trail, not immediately, but the equipment is kept. I didn't save the equipment at all, just buy it.
You say to the traveler. I check the bags and shoes tomorrow and get back with notes.
We want to do it this weekend of the Chol probably won't be the rain. Socks? Is it really that important?
LiorEl, where can I find information on operations? I am a soldier.
To denit_g who did the track. Every night you can have water? Where did you sleep?
Thank you..
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#8 Posted : Friday, March 6, 2009 2:08:13 PM(UTC)
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Hey,

The first night we slept in the parking lot of olives above ein Tamir. Water was completed in Fassuta on Monday morning. The other night there was a hotbed of Hirbat Miron, it was water and field school. At the end of the third day in the entrance to Nahal Amud, and production of water instead. I'm not through Cliff group but I believe you can get a water tower.

About socks and shoes. The track does not have shoes, crazy, were with us company went in sneakers for walking but be synthetic sock. Those who went with cotton stockings suffered from calluses, even with shoes.

If the shoe is going to serve you as tours or day trips to the country, I think it makes no sense to invest in and allow to settle for comfortable sport shoe. If you know what your trip destination abroad can buy today you standard shoe, no doubt also enjoy other tours.

Hope I helped ...

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#9 Posted : Friday, March 6, 2009 6:27:20 PM(UTC)
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Well, I checked and functional, found two cases I like the ease of Lowe Alpine TFX Horizon: 65, is comfortable, well priced, but there is no fabric that prevents special tears there in Gregory. How about the durability. How did he survive longer treks (Israel National Trail, sand).
The other is tatonka's case at the same level, in some places the fabric this special 70L.
VAUDE's case, tried on like it less comfortable somehow.
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#10 Posted : Friday, March 6, 2009 9:10:17 PM(UTC)
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Highly recommend Gregory Jade 50 (apparently this case women).
Me on a trip "on his back". (The outdoor tent and mattress hanging) has two features that where my heart:
1 rear pockets half liter bottles that allow you to retrieve the bottle while walking. (Shlocr and spared skipped weight)

2 pockets on the abdominal belt suitable for mobile and camera, allows retrieval of walking.

I've read complaints about the quality and zifrim of the importer: indeed seem weak. When I would turn my cobbler, rather than an importer.

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#11 Posted : Friday, March 6, 2009 9:49:11 PM(UTC)
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Socks is very important to think about the military.

I made the track a few months ago. It's a shame to go to Fassuta and go 10 miles down the road. Go through the degrees. For an easier and less degrees 4 km along the road. There are degrees of Montfort, Lord of tyre Lake camping you can crash. Of course there is water.

Then like I said ' greenhouse and by Bill Israel.

To construct a can full of water from Nahal kziv. Often there is a stream of upstream wastewater and drinking water are prohibited.

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#12 Posted : Monday, March 9, 2009 3:55:00 AM(UTC)
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Hey ...

The track "sea to sea" has a lot of variations, open map and decide accordingly what you feel like. During the track not drinking water from "natural" sources (not sure how). Bring water from home to first, and then buy the way communities or fill out the taps in the area. Notice not always map shmzzoiir there's room with faucet, faucet always works. Worth a check with someone who knows, or to rely on is where to buy water.

About the bag, approximately 60 liters would be useful for a long trip (unless you have plans to carry the entire House on his back).

Even if you don't go for the easy cases, we recommend to verify the weight of the bag because it adds up in the end. Don't compromise on comfort! Measure how many files at the same time, and in a few days. Every time you compare 2 files. Sometimes different days, things feel a little differently. Don't begin to measure too cases together that are lost.

Anyway, I think we should not be tempted into small bags. Equipment depends on the outside is not really comfortable, you want to avoid as much as possible.

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#13 Posted : Monday, March 9, 2009 3:59:31 AM(UTC)
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To your question about proper models, I personally don't know the models.

I have a friend who is traveling with three months in Eastern tatonka and was pleased, but that there were no days with trekking on the back, but transitions and trips of up to 3 consecutive days in the area.

It's a different character, and decide for yourself what your target

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#14 Posted : Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:16:34 AM(UTC)
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The route we're spoken, in Nahal kziv, decadent area far away until mount Meron in the Moran (still not sure, but if you are that day required also survived because I realized you can't sleep there away Amud (Israel National Trail) to Tiberias via Arbel cliff with refreshed. total 4 days.
That's what I do with the files ... I will go again tomorrow to another store. About sand, nothing is certain but I think it would be South Pacific or East, or a combination. (I have to do trekking in New Zealand) Yanaks 39881.8867824074
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#15 Posted : Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:52:00 AM(UTC)
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Well, I bought the bag today Vaude's Astra 75L for me was very very comfortable, extra branch spent, weight 690 after all. (30% because it's redundant, 12%, 10% travel card, 150 shekels to gold), price is worth more now I weigh out cheap shoes that ...
Thanks to everyone for your help.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:26:50 AM(UTC)
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