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זמי1  
#1 Posted : Sunday, March 22, 2009 4:35:44 PM(UTC)
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When I went on trail segments wipe no one on landfills, with lots of water.

I challenge the experts prepared a water carrier plan corresponds to the period of May-June in the Negev in sections require burying a few litres per person per day, given two water points and see how the company is faced with carrying water. That way we once without landfills-different today?

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#2 Posted : Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:08:29 PM(UTC)
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When President Weizman educate for a small minority was a cell phone, then went without cell phones or hardly went the Israel trail.

Ten years ago who did Bill considered in lb. What's different today?

I'm not recommending anyone to carry more water than you need for one day. You go on a trip or journey of survival?

Who wants to take back water for two days or more, זב"ש.

What used to be not suitable.

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#3 Posted : Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:02:01 PM(UTC)
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Dear יענקל'ה,

It is true that cell phones and still never go without them, and it's absurd not to bring cell phones into trouble.

And water is similar but not the same.

Who out there for that most young guys who have never broke the car plant and the money to pay for people who itmino them in my power of God which need the water.

I, for one, went to in the Negev when carrying 8 liters only because I had a chance to plant and I know quite a few people like me. Of course it also depends on the physical ability to carry. I don't recommend at all for a guy who can carry a bag of over 20 kilos to take so much water.

So I'm joining Ma's request to hear the program carrying water to the Negev. The book of Bill certainly helpful if topic include occasional information from the Internet can do. But there's something direct and may be helpful.

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#4 Posted : Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:02:22 PM(UTC)
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I didn't realize how Bill helping carry water for days?

Unfortunately, you don't fight. Today it is rare to meet travellers carrying water for two days. I continue to recommend carrying water for a day to enjoy and not risk unnecessary injury.

Disagree about the expense. If you have a driver's license and you know how to behave with soft surface, then gets also a garage generation.

If I made (with manual 1.4 Polo) then anyone can get. Takes about 45 mins drive from Oron.

The parking lot can get thirsty snake with a soft ride.

Mrs. Sandy parking lot has put that Itzik stronghold (Dark Angel Bill) maintains and it kind of ended problems about landfills.

I did all the atmanot without having to pay anyone. Now there is a shovel and join other landfills with round groupings

So broke like you can afford it.

The trip cost thousands of shekels anyhow: backpack, shoes, socks, rods (can make even good rods in wood cost of NIS for both), food, travel and more so I don't understand what the problem is to get 300-400 per group.

If you go alone (not recommended) this expenditure as a whole. Who broke that very work before, and gain a few more shekels for landfills instead of water to carry them on their backs.

This of course but only opinion

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#5 Posted : Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:41:26 PM(UTC)
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Nevertheless, do "like incla" and get us some good program who wants to do and whoever. Conditional miracle and bring us beautiful schema. You are among those who can do it.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:45:21 PM(UTC)
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Whole set water cumbersome.

For a planned trip as Israel trail requires dealing, but exploring .than czerimadiff carry on to atmanot.

When we go out for a trip of three days away from home, not circular, it is better not to take on all vehicles. Passenger and public transport.

Water buy just before the trip, and all the other issues carry a minimum. No tent, no-gas burner only dry food miles don't need a light summer clothes or toiletries, a pair of walking sticks, maps and good shoes. The weight is 80% water.

Got to go for a walk with tikshl about 15 kg of 12 liters of water. By the way this mode don't forget to drink, and the next day the bag much easier.

Of course chshmtiilim for this month are no longer possible. Although there will be people who are willing to athelb a month.

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#7 Posted : Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:26:17 PM(UTC)
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The Manager asked so no program at landfills, nointelligence:

From Arad to quarry the Clay Creek to go only on weekdays and aicetid water in the quarry.

Clay junction Creek watched (deviation from the path of 3-4 km) and take the water or hitch on route 25 to the West and return to metzad mahmal Tamar.

Metzad mahmal, Tamar Auron carrying water for two days.

There's no way to carry water for two days on the crest only achrbolt not very hard but also: the route is dangerous at the end of the day, whoever gets exhausted to end Creek oedipoda, risk of falling that easily can be fatal. The burial in the parking lot the night of.

The other way is simpler: take water for days from the Ben Gurion University and through the river oedipoda on the morning of the second day with water for one to Oron. Just what this cutthroat boarding, but not dangerous like the descent.

A legacy garage should go to the Ben Gurion to take water for days until mitzpe Ramon.

Ramon going to Khan in wells and water for two days to obtain. You can check if there is water in the parking lot, Ms. Conn then go with water for two days until Sandy back parking lot.

Mrs. Sandy parking to Horn water.

Horn has a problem with not doing off trail to hicetiidoth. At 6 km the trail meet can take water for two very long and exhausting to shizafon that's about 55 km.

Shizafon shaharut someday.

Shaharut prevents one day.

Prevent Be'er ora

Be'er ora Netafim (not easy)

Netafim.

There must be more ideas, but I recommend not to adopt, as well as the hallucinatory program here.

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#8 Posted : Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:28:46 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = denit_g]

.... For a planned trip as Israel trail requires dealing, but on short trips rather than carry on to atmanot.

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#9 Posted : Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:35:49 PM(UTC)
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It's mostly Israel trail if not in full. It is clear to everyone that you don't need the landfills and other things that you've specified for a trip of several days. But which carried 12 liters of water situation exactly?

And my point is-iank not into small but really be such a guide to carrying water.

But I must correct you on all things like shoes and bag are really expensive but can hold at least a few years and dozens of trips (if they are level). Then the ad hoc in the Israel National Trail (INT) is very large (total food, gas and small things around) thousands of dollars not really barely a few hundred.

Moreover, the atmosphere for a modest life and pzarnit, or at least that's how I felt. Then invest another 400 weight (I doubt I bought gear especially for reached that amount) for landfills water feels a little silly. Also, that I felt a little better about myself beyond monetary interest.

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#10 Posted : Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:38:37 PM(UTC)
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Well done nice work thank you!
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#11 Posted : Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:48:15 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = mankuta] iank-my intention is not to get into small but really be such a guide to carrying water.
, you request a guide above. I don't recommend it.
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#12 Posted : Monday, March 23, 2009 11:39:30 AM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = mankuta]

It's mostly Israel trail if not in full. It is clear to everyone that you don't need the landfills and other things that you've specified for a trip of several days. But which carried 12 liters of water situation exactly?

Although this forum of Israel,

But there are those who often to plant water in 4 days tours. I mentioned that in the case that people like Israel trail route I think impossible without landfills.

However the trips of several days I personally prefer to find one point to fill on the way than to atmanot. And carry water for three days.

Besides many of the operations in Israel and are relevant. There is no difference between a 4-day trip in the southern part of Israel, for a 4-day trip. And experience of walking in the desert I. ..

I don't think this is the place to start hiking stories. But I will say one thing-experienced in case of lack of water during an excursion in the desert for several hours, as there are only a couple of blocks in a bottle for a moment of final crisis, also carrying extra liters and a half per day.

This is one topic which is better than being overweight will be missing.

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#13 Posted : Monday, March 23, 2009 11:53:46 AM(UTC)
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I was just one of those people who carry an extra gallon of water anywhere, let alone in the desert. Have a great day.
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#14 Posted : Monday, March 23, 2009 12:11:15 PM(UTC)
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Join the atmanot recommendation. But those who have good fitness can save the stream generation and caching to make today directly to Oron midreshet SDE Boker. Highlights!!!! Just as owners. And I intend hiking walk fitness is very good! Not a gym!

Horn very problematic to shizafon have tolerance to Paran.

I must say something about costs.

The cost of atmanot I did back then for out something like 100 shekels each. That's because the atarganti with more people I met along the way. We shared 6 people. I guess foolish not to get 100 or even 200 weight if necessary and instead dress grave for three weeks. I don't think a 200 weight to kill someone. And you'll be surprised even me said I live like a dog. (Or any other Bill for that matter). So if a dog like me can ל"בזבז" 100-200 weight on landfills so everyone else in my opinion.
There is a profound difference between to do, especially in the Negev, with 25 pounds on your back and 15 pounds.

And I think most people are carrying more weight than I usually have, so a fortiori.

In short, the bushes atmanot!

ד"א, has spelled from Mead would an Angel a. Just need to talk to him about a week before and he can put water in.
So at least he was until six months ago.
It's worth checking out.

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#15 Posted : Monday, March 23, 2009 12:46:43 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = imtl] joins the atmanot recommendation. But those who have good fitness can save the stream generation and caching to make today directly to Oron midreshet SDE Boker. Highlights!!!! Just as owners. And I intend hiking walk fitness is very good! Not a gym!
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I want to highlight and explain the purpose of the gym to walk that allows to go from Oron Crest midreshet Ben-Gurion in one day more than 30 km.

It's not built fitness preparations for the voyage on the trail, or while the trail but in practice gym in high level sports for amateurs like elk and probably John.

What Chris and John did (Oron midreshet Ben-Gurion in one day). The Bulls will do it. And if doing this distance should carry a very large amount of water 8-9 litres it like water for two days.

And great efforts: everything has its price. Also I mooneeeeeee years ago I'd have done that distance without problems. Today your knees screaming every drop. Take them into account.

To carry water for days ?  It's fucked up knees.

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#16 Posted : Monday, March 23, 2009 12:52:20 PM(UTC)
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Don't like guest opinion about myself.
Is it true that you need practice in sport and especially in the matter of walk or jog.

And, just to reinforce what you say. Should take 8 liters of water per day between Oron to SDE Boker who chooses to do so.
I came across these already out with too little water and dry in my way then the celebration begins.

Please be safe out there. And drinking water.
And enjoy a lot!

And yankele, keep your knees from Mr. have a lot more exploring to do.


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