- Parts of this English version of this website was automatically translated. We are improving the translation every day. Please register to our forum and our hiking expert will love to answer any of your questions there -
Welcome Guest! To enable all features please Login or Register.

Notification

Icon
Error

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
solter  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2009 1:14:35 AM(UTC)
solter

Rank: Newbie

Groups: חבר
Joined: 5/15/2016(UTC)
Posts: 0

Hi there,

Recently bought a k F TNF Orion 20, synthetic.

Along with the bag comes bands collapse without bag made of cloth that feels pretty weak. (And I'm not talking about storage bag.)

When I put the bag into the bag, I feel I can shrink it further. Of course with different compression bag with straps collapses.

My question is whether to compress the bag than the manufacturer supplied bag size can harm him?

Thanks, Gilad

Sponsor
solter  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:15:18 AM(UTC)
solter

Rank: Newbie

Groups: חבר
Joined: 5/15/2016(UTC)
Posts: 0

In order not to open a thread put here another question.

I understand that most trails is to go with terptant as for rainy and snowy nights.

Trails where not all rainy and snowy nights, but only few of them, why not go with the accompanying SEC (like this andthis andthis) considering between 280 to 430 grams and are sufficient to protect against weather?

About the question what with Harry anyway full coverage against rain, or even a trash bag best do the job.

Guest  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:10:41 AM(UTC)
Guest

Rank: Guest

Groups: Guests
Joined: 5/6/2016(UTC)
Posts: 6,724

About the biovi sec. .. And come to the conclusion that always seems Super stuffy and it sucks to blow your nose in this thing.

Fix me my husband.
solter  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:20:58 AM(UTC)
solter

Rank: Newbie

Groups: חבר
Joined: 5/15/2016(UTC)
Posts: 0

I thought about it, but I read about people doing things a lot more uncomfortable than this to save weight.

All assuming no rain every night!

afix  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:57:37 PM(UTC)
afix

Rank: Newbie

Groups: חבר
Joined: 5/15/2016(UTC)
Posts: 0

About cramps-as far as I know, the fewer the better the last sack contracted life. In particular with regard to enable higher quality synthetic-waterproof. In house storage it is recommended to lay a bag under his bed or in another way to fold and collapse.
afix  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:43:48 PM(UTC)
afix

Rank: Newbie

Groups: חבר
Joined: 5/15/2016(UTC)
Posts: 0

I'm not even sure that this is the standard TARPTENT, especially on trails in Europe.

About-don't confuse WATER RESISTANT with WATER PROOF BREATHABLE.
WPB in levy weigh more. From what I could see those who brought and also not require WPB TARP.
The thing that not only serves bivi emergency should be breathing material otherwise find yourself wet bag thicken (and in many cases it happens also with breathing). So levy will be in WPB d from GORETEX (or matched) or tri-tiered EVENT. These are not lightweight materials so perhaps some thason grams but easiest TARPTENT vs and assuming you're walking poles it really won't be much and it will be d plus not equipments.

If you're talking about rain so rarely can find levy non-emergency breathing very easy. As adventure medical kit. D but it is used to when the mile DAYHIKES. for describing perhaps just silanil sheet? We mean TARP or whether it quit on me the bag.

By the way you talk about rare conditions like rain or cold, snowy place and rain rare

Also note that, in contrast to TARPTENT TARP gives protection from insects. If it's less important to you then TARP will be easier. For example SMD protection CAPE gives GATEWOOD. SMD WILD OASIS also relevant and protect insects from flying. Etc ...

In d who it maximum weight savings and still good, not only for emergency use, as far as I know, taking a small TARP (not give comprehensive protection as the ones mentioned above) and levy, WR with quilt But I think of buying smart levy WPB and knowledge and experience in use can therefore reach weights that save on most of the TARPTENT.

In short, there are many aptiot today and it is not the only consideration-HIKE YOUR OWN HIKE.

Personally I used the WP bivi last winter walks in the country-but I found myself enjoying TARPTENT to sleep in a tent and closed bivi The bivi remains open and if I wake up from the rain that falls on me I close it. Again, it's not weight considerations.
BTW even in Israel and even days without rain, only dew and high humidity and no wind, and that most EVENT bivi WPB breathing had trouble thickening and I had to dry the bag this morning. I wake up even when it was cold because the bag gets wet so thicken and rainy night last week even in the Golan. In short using bivi is something you have to learn to do-I'm still learning: fan, to clothing and straw not to sweat.

Pretty good had been too long.
Afix 40314.7916087963
Guest  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:06:42 PM(UTC)
Guest

Rank: Guest

Groups: Guests
Joined: 5/6/2016(UTC)
Posts: 6,724

Very interesting.
זמי1  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2009 5:25:16 PM(UTC)
זמי1

Rank: Newbie

Groups: מנהל כללי
Joined: 5/15/2016(UTC)
Posts: 4,934
Israel

The bivis intended for use with at because otherwise you get in and out of them in the rain and not contributing anything except bivi protection from moisture or cold. Always have ground under and over coverage, read also the reviews written by REI's site, the bag and seal it creates moisture. I've seen very little on the Appalachian Trail users.

Mind always is the equipment should conform to several conditions and not just something specific, terptant tent provides all of this at an affordable price and excellent quality. Never sleep in the rain and bivi sweeps.

solter  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:46:03 PM(UTC)
solter

Rank: Newbie

Groups: חבר
Joined: 5/15/2016(UTC)
Posts: 0

[QUOTE = afix] about cramps-as far as I know, the fewer the better the last sack contracted life. In particular with regard to enable higher quality synthetic-waterproof. In house storage it is recommended to lay a bag under his bed or in another way to fold and collapse.

I know that I asked was whether it hurt more significantly shrink the bag more than ה"שק 's collapse" the manufacturer provided?

זמי1  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:58:28 PM(UTC)
זמי1

Rank: Newbie

Groups: מנהל כללי
Joined: 5/15/2016(UTC)
Posts: 4,934
Israel

I've never heard of any problem of excessive compression, how you can shrink earned. The best? Send them an email.
afix  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:46:29 PM(UTC)
afix

Rank: Newbie

Groups: חבר
Joined: 5/15/2016(UTC)
Posts: 0

Solter, I don't know what that means and it's specific to the type of fill and no one answer per sack. I think Ma's proposal is good. You can also search network material CLIMASHIELD's resistance.

Afix 39918.7826273148
afix  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:02:48 PM(UTC)
afix

Rank: Newbie

Groups: חבר
Joined: 5/15/2016(UTC)
Posts: 0

Ma right bivi inbound and outbound of the pouring rain that could be a problem. It is customary to prepare the shcsh inside ... But still. I didn't get to practice it. Some users simply logon and logoff umbrella.

Beyond the entrance and exit has no trouble sleeping in fits bivi no ground and no further TARP over rainy too. On the contrary, the Rabbi has thick floor TARPTENT non 30D sealing of water shamshcl of person clicks on it. It is therefore customary to settle to avoid problems, add TYVEK etc. To many more serious floor bivi.
Example of bivi to be used without TARP: use by climbers who can't even put tent or TARP – levy that imprint.

About using only bivi sightseeing-it depends on the conditions. If continuous rain expected consecutive days it can be a catastrophe. Not a magic solution tent-wet gear from thicken with each tent, but with levy that happens much faster. The conditions of rain once as a source option.

Who really is interested in THE BOOK OF THE BIVY looks interesting. I've seen episodes of him on the net in GOOGLE BOOKS.
Afix 40314.7917824074
solter  
#13 Posted : Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:54:30 AM(UTC)
solter

Rank: Newbie

Groups: חבר
Joined: 5/15/2016(UTC)
Posts: 0

Understood, thanks.

And I think I missed something, what's the difference between regular tarptent and tent

זמי1  
#14 Posted : Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:59:22 PM(UTC)
זמי1

Rank: Newbie

Groups: מנהל כללי
Joined: 5/15/2016(UTC)
Posts: 4,934
Israel

Terptant is a trademark of Shire's tent. Is the tent flap at the top with adjustable ground by mosquitoes rising keyword You can adjust the height of the upper sheet so that it is close to the ground and prevent water from penetrating the surface.

About terptant-floor camped a lot rain and encountered a problem of water penetration through the floor even slept on it at one point and I'm not a lightweight.

About umbrella and thumbs.

Of course, you can sleep in the rain sweeps with at, but it was windy login if there is mud or wet ground so you sleep on wet and wet gear, some taken at tiiock sheet and then really all that weight creates a tent so why not buy it all with warranty and conditions all year?  Just a matter of money.

afix  
#15 Posted : Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:07:46 PM(UTC)
afix

Rank: Newbie

Groups: חבר
Joined: 5/15/2016(UTC)
Posts: 0

It's sort of like TARPTENT: monolayer tent with floor and full protection from insects. Unlike for example two tent or TARP without ground insect protection. There is also a company called TARPTENT but wider concept than that she is recognized and other companies that sell terptantim.

One of the most important reasons for two tent is irrelevant to discussion on levy: condensation. The inner layer in a tent like that of breathing and breath to WR, and the sweat out of inner layer build-up/itibsho with the outer layer so that the user will be relatively dry environment. In addition there is air layers and then isolated the warmer inner layer which inhibits condensation. In the incremental TARPTENT a lot faster, and the inside of the tent, which is exposed to the user. To help prevent, TARPTENT very airy. It's not really pleasant spirits, especially when it rains and warms the TARPTENT much less two tent. In General with the user should take TARPTENT more responsibility for treating thicken-importance to select location: beneath the trees, instead of with a little movement of air, not a lake. And form of usage: for example it is better to leave the door open (MESH) to avoid getting wet and cooking equipment in the tent.

Incidentally from what I understand, wet environment over time at the end of the bag will absorb liquids no matter what tent will be. Therefore, some users to materials bag still warm when they are damp/wet synthetic materials-compared to reverse almost chshnertv not opening at all. Serious enough that RAY JARDINE can't charge him with a penchant for heavy equipment, uses and recommends to use a synthetic shcsh (quilt) despite the extra weight and although he uses it the most TARP.

The monolayer tent plus it's lighter weight.

Apart from the above definition, generally of a less durable d TARPTENT winds and snow (for example compared to TUNNEL or DOME structures), not keep them and loads will be lower. To save weight. Again, it takes more user attention in terms of selecting a location.

Today there is a pretty easy upgrade dialog tents (area k) for example to companies like TERRA NOVA. TARPTENT company even itself out with tents, laminated dialog.

Other competitors have "bottom" already Dubro: TARP, TARP plus levy WR and levy WPB. (There must be more, hammocks, ...)

That's great but TARPTENT total is not always appropriate and that Yes, there are alternatives with advantages and disadvantages. I think I created the impression that terptant Forum is the only option or the best and why bother to write all f-. TARPTENT can weigh more, to get more space in my bag and soon to get more, give less protection, require more user expertise, to disconnect you from the experience in nature, limit you in staying. Depends on what you compare, in terms of the intended trip and personal preferences. Again this is great but not perfect for all conditions and for all people.

Finally, regarding your original question about shrinking shcsh on second thought, maybe a better chance to get a good answer is to contact the manufacturers not only CLIMASHIELD bag manufacturer
Afix 40314.7914699074
afix  
#16 Posted : Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:15:04 PM(UTC)
afix

Rank: Newbie

Groups: חבר
Joined: 5/15/2016(UTC)
Posts: 0

Available on the floor here terptant link from someone who knows more than me -terptantim manufacturer. And speech reinforce what I said – not another floor with levy-floor standing more than terptant.

About rainy-I was talking about the use of bivi no at rather than at a levy. Besides there are other advantages to TARP except money, like weight (weight and money is already quite a lot don't), more flexibility in the form of construction that allows to adapt it to the conditions, they also at poncho, shade in the daytime. Also, to say that terptant is suitable for all seasons of the year-it is not a full four seasons according to the manufacturers. If you have flexibility in the establishment of TARP makes it more suitable for the fourth season.

About umbrella-private opinion and opinions (including RAY JARDINE). There are small trips such as batteries of MONTBEL. In any case there's no attendant with WPB: sorted smart, waiting until after the flood, some get wet at the entrance and exit – not a disaster.
Afix 39919.6257291667
זמי1  
#17 Posted : Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:20:27 PM(UTC)
זמי1

Rank: Newbie

Groups: מנהל כללי
Joined: 5/15/2016(UTC)
Posts: 4,934
Israel

One thing it doesn't mention fellow, when building the terptant, on the ground floor is wet as it may be, there is no water flow under the floor, so the ground is wet underneath. And it's not the most important in penetration, caution the weight resting on the floor, I always just because moisture permeability but simply not to tear it. You can always opaque nerve with dkteip.

Regarding compliance with condition 4 seasons-I camped in the snow and Blizzard Appalachian Trail, downhill and landing without any problems, took my tent for 5,500 high Himalayan peaks in the snow, rain and wind, said the tent being here. Its quite oriodinami structure helps in strong winds. Eventually, the weight is the most tempting.

About one in two air vents to pick the side curtain in the air, you just have to be careful that chshtemprtora out below freezing, your breath will build up on the ceiling with a thin layer of frost. When you wake up in the morning to hit your head on the ceiling then obtained ice shower.

afix  
#18 Posted : Friday, April 17, 2009 2:10:13 AM(UTC)
afix

Rank: Newbie

Groups: חבר
Joined: 5/15/2016(UTC)
Posts: 0

In the context of our discussion he says he specifically terptantim-manufacturer should choose did not flow to which water because her weight had 30D floor allow water infiltration.

About four seasons, manufacturers themselves don't define terptantim 4 seasons and probably has a reason, isn't it? I think it's pretty clear from looking at too. Easy snow-under construction for example 2 walking poles on inverted-V instead of one pole are probably okay, but beyond that I would not build them. And the fourth season weight, for example at pyramid-shaped two-three people about like terptant and function much better with ghosts and snow.

About condensation in monolayer tent-partial solutions have to work in certain conditions. But even they have a price and terms they don't fit.

So my point is that there are a variety of options in SA-terptant is only one option of many.
Afix 40314.7906365741
Users browsing this topic
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.