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יונתןמצפה  
#21 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 12:32:42 AM(UTC)
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I'll give an example of a trip I did in summer to illustrate what it is:

I design, plus a mountain part of Ramon crater. Before the trip I made the trip with my job which landfills rigged 20 liters each point is planned.
The first day started a bit late and at dawn (about 6), length 24 km planned after 12 km we reach the area that is likely to be. Throughout the first part of the day wasn't even a small shadow, and due to the late and slow progress at around 12 we shade. The other two were extremely slow only when we stop every 15 minutes aushit of 3 minutes to lower the temperature of the body (including a little drinking).
The shadow just two people and allow "rest and refuge from the Sun but not the heat. Which certainly allows but survivability detract a lot of water balance in the body. Later in the day we arrived in late afternoon to ein UM Salah to body cooling (important!), when a huge point arrived at 11 pm at night!!!

Day 2: walk 12 km to the waterfall in Nahal ein tzooinat hit him arrived at 10 a.m., the shadow which ran until 5 pm there was a hole under a boulder that was allowed in the prone position only.
Bridge Creek Ranch last light came

Today, the Elron usually increase in stream, and exits the shadow 00 (hot!) to make a planned quick part at 5 pm.

What conclusions?
1. the amount of the official atmanot was a condition for survival.
2. ability to walk at night allowed the caching to the first day with very little water left on the back.
3. save design was two people and provides for two people only. However the quality was bad and so the amount of fluids.
4. the ability to move forward on the first day until the shade during the hottest hours of the day was upon the mdodoth. Together it was based could also end and Brown waited a second junta.

I personally can take on myself such an experience again, and here nothing is taken into account, but that ended in a good way, not in a hospital or worse is related solely to experience my had and with the area enabled the exact planning!

To the attention of anyone who plans a similar trip.

Jonathan

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#22 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 1:01:16 AM(UTC)
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This topic is in the souls of people, which is why I'm still writing. In a few weeks of the new House would be known squill.

Jonathan is an experienced hiker and knows the terrain well. Did the test and vitamin water in bulk. And despite all the planning. He takes on the risk and at night, in fact, he had no choice, because if we don't make. Dry.

All other people, especially newcomers who have experience and strange reasons like the beginning of the school year, or great freedom, considering the hike in summer: dangerous to walk at night. New travel agent. To not yourself "it won't happen".

Stop thinking: ' I can't go. "there is a very simple option: don't start the school year (in College). Finish the trail and then begin to learn. You reject the school because of a trip to South America or India or any other exotic. Israel National Trail is illusionists for him I'd put the beginning of the school year.

And high school students:

Go on a new year's Eve Israel until the end of Sukkot (about 3 weeks) I'm sure honest journey of engaging Israel give you about 10 days at the Institute for strategic studies where you learn. Then Hanukkah (one week) and then on Passover (2 weeks). And all Israel trail completed.

If you decide to go in the hot summer months, probably when God divided all mankind position as something else.

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#23 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 1:04:48 AM(UTC)
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Jonathan:

Sounds like Boardwalk to prove to yourself that you have enough experience and ability to travel South in August and hydrated, get heat stroke/death ...

I think if you're so opposed to the South in the summer, and see this as a big, risk for those with experience and familiarity like there is no reason to travel during this period. Also the advantage of experience and familiarity with the area so far. Sounds like the aforementioned trip into unwanted areas [water, end time day].

Besides, what fun trip in the Ramon crater in two afternoon????????????

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#24 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 3:30:03 AM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = o. k]

Jonathan:

Sounds like Boardwalk to prove to yourself that you have enough experience and ability to travel South in August and hydrated, get heat stroke/death ...

I think if you're so opposed to the South in the summer, and see this as a big, risk for those with experience and familiarity like there is no reason to travel during this period. Also the advantage of experience and familiarity with the area so far. Sounds like the aforementioned trip into unwanted areas [water, end time day].

Besides, what fun trip in the Ramon crater in two afternoon????????????

Not traveled, continues to travel to prove anything.

Since this discussion is already browsing beyond whether Yes or no hiking in the desert so summer explain any matter of principle:

People have to understand both the disadvantages of Internet forums. Most don't know who writes/write him. Don't know how old he is, I don't know how much experience he has, I don't know how healthy his reasoning etc.

Occasionally arise here (and other forums) issues regarding actions that risk which can be very large. People spread all kinds of recommendations to all sorts of people who have no idea who they are or what their experience, their ability to implement these recommendations and to finish safely.
I think this situation should think before recommending 10 pamip someone traveling in the summer in the desert or specify which it is possible and not that complicated.
If I want to prove something by being the summer would desert it. Actually I tried aipf (and still) argue that it is foolish and dangerous act and this is just to prevent the same mistake Ecoles that might cost them their lives.

Contrary to what inkela and "OK" (?) wrote, not everything went wrong in my trip and I took a chance that traveled at night. Desert night trips were previously poor routine for me, and I have no problem to go at night if the track conditions allow it. (Huge for the first night was a point that I have no problem to get there at night from a distance of about 10 km.).

Also taken into account shadow quality (hopefully you might find a shade better) and we were on the back 8 liters of water!

I know quite a few people in the summer in the desert (some also learned quite a bit) and I will continue traveling in the summer. But if a person don't know asking me if I should quit it says not

Now anyone can decide what to do according to his discretion!

Take care of yourselves.

Jonathan

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#25 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 3:52:44 AM(UTC)
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Fan. Very nice ...

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#26 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 6:19:48 AM(UTC)
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I really want to thank you all for your comments because it's clear to me that the intention to help prevent a situation for people like me that. ... I'm definitely taking every word from what chooolkm wrote to my attention and I and my company do our considerations.

No matter what your position, entirely possible to manifest itself more pleasant way. So please anyone with a smidgen of advice that could help me I would love to really get as I got so far. Who has note all poisonous a drop. That would save it from the rest.

Thank you and have fun, hooiteim, and careful everyone! (:

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#27 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 11:22:58 AM(UTC)
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To summarize (?) in the summer, the trails in almost every country, is not discouraged by us and not by the IDF. As I Trail Angel can see the effect of hot days in the number of bilists if at all on the path, and I live in isfiya on Mount Carmel.

A simple and short is not much fun. It's a shame to put body and soul in such machns, bother and get off in disappointment because of the heat and because blisters or lack of fitness gear.

If you aspire to go these few months made an effort for the trails in Europe without hotels or restaurants but enjoyable conditions. And, true, but Israel is another path. Maybe after school, before beginning work before, before, before, after, between military high school etc.

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#28 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 4:19:38 PM(UTC)
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Ma, you're missing the point. Don't repeat what I wrote, but those who want to hike, walk all year round. What does this have to do with trails elsewhere in the world?

Secondly, how do you get to it? What exactly does the IDF do not recommend I hiked in and even in summer.

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#29 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 5:28:26 PM(UTC)
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Peace heart peace seekers and cliffs summer trips

I must say that I understand and agree with Jonathan that when giving advice on the Internet have no idea to whom you give them so you should be careful. I also agree with him and the long line authors here because Israel summer tour is dangerous and needs to be well designed. However I understand you owner of hungry to go for that now and do it "properly" without smooth, hops, bounces, etc.

I don't have much but I wanted to summarize a few things written by smart people and experienced it before concatenating assignment and don't have experience but to strengthen their words

1) found before a long day trip in similar conditions (highly desirable 4 days at least)

2) start in the North, partly because of the possibility that September will be cooler in the South but mainly because the North can survive even if wrong.

3) took more buried water/than you think. Stop in the shade (this means to plan where shadow) during the hottest hours. Update people where you will be and when to expect a call from you.

4 more to go on, headlights) parts of the trail can and should be done at night.

Above all have fun.

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#30 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 6:07:36 PM(UTC)
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If the IDF announces summer training on prohibition in some areas, it's evidence that bilists it is not advisable to go in these conditions. IDF travel this summer? Probably not as Israel trail tracks with heat July 18 kg backpack.

Trails-Ito about other options if they aspire to go.

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#31 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 7:00:08 PM(UTC)
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Libi,

Don't forget to tell what was [if I understand it correctly and going out]

Good luck!

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#32 Posted : Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:50:21 PM(UTC)
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My heart peace.

Understand the desire to quit, but beyond the risk of life, has a big fumble

Miss green eyes, water streams, all rashes will be busy at is the desire to do v and finish safely. Not too bad?

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#33 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2009 12:47:24 AM(UTC)
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Yellow. So what Haifa won the Grand

And seriously-that's right, could be a little nicer on the eyes, but it's not critical that forested areas are also green. In the South it will always be yellow, except for some fields in the Ottawa area.

Streams and flow is fun, but can also be less pleasant (daughter found herself swimming because the water ahlich).

BTW, in terms of weather at night will be more pleasant in summer.

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#34 Posted : Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:04:58 AM(UTC)
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Http://www.tapuz.co.il/tapuzforum/main/Viewmsg.asp?forum=683&msgid=129584623

Http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3720664, 00.html

Oh and Howie.

Only I see the relationship between chilling threads ...???

Http://www.tapuz.co.il/Forums2008/ViewMsg.aspx?ForumId=683&MessageId=129590480

Yet another thread of Eran z watch the messages starting at 00:01.

May he rest in peace!

May constitute his saved some unnecessary people in the future.

(For those who do not understand-when he holevn forgotten Eran galili, who died this week in the Judean desert during a hike).

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#35 Posted : Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:16:22 AM(UTC)
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Who corresponded with their justice in each word. At night. Point. Not in winter and in summer. Neither white or night twelfth night other than "dark". The most dangerous is who knows? he always thinks he's doing already know and then discover all the surprises.

About stupidity (this does not mean that he is stupid, but stupid driver in this particular case), unfortunately are paying.

Too bad.

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#36 Posted : Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:13:09 AM(UTC)
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Ouch. Chilling.
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#37 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:21:34 PM(UTC)
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Really, it caused some to think about online tips

This is a big problem in online forums, you don't know how you replace him from your experience and hooiothch.

Will be those who say the problem is the isolation and alienation in society what drags people search virtual social life, I disagree with this approach, the Internet is just a way to get information to find people with the same interests as yours, there is no other way that would meet.

About the consultation forums, the case is indeed a factor, maybe someone will take the advice but do not implement them in full safety as I drive towards myself, and I have also experience walking in the desert.

There is a stringent approach to neutralize all of who travel during the heat, probably enjoying the trip itself is less, I naturally optimistic and I see so many opposes, I must suggest the risk is possible, but the question is, how it is calculated, within our ability, how we know ourselves and where we are testing our limits, required to maintain a safety margin!

3 important points really in summer, take plenty of water, you might see that I wrote enough 3 liters of water, this winter, the body has been accustomed to walking tours in summer, I take at least 7 gallons, I can do this, who is not able to carry his water, not out!

The second important point is to take plenty of water, Yes again, even after there is sufficient need to be prepared for emergencies, vacations and the Army went to friend and I walk in Tzalmon, that day was really hot, the water that we sold out quickly and we don't have enough to go and to go up the river wasn't explaining, climbed over the side of the River to the road, we were in shape to do it.

The third point is that the body needs to get used to the heat, should have the comfort to cool the body, even with drinking enough the body still needs to cool himself. I used to get commander said that a problem of hyperthermia poison, supposedly having but not enough, so he was an idiot, because he was just that sort of thing doesn't know when to stop to rest, need to be mindful of your body and your ability.

Finally, and I will honor the holiday weeks in the amdersh story:

One day see King Solomon the Reaper which is sad, and asked him why he hasn't answered the Angel of death because we have to complete two servers that he really loves and time to get rid of this audio, King Solomon and called one of the demons, known as Solomon ruled, and ordered him to take these people to town, who doesn't know the City Blues was the town that was founded by a man who remains after Bethel by Benny Joseph This remote town not the grim reaper, he couldn't go into town because you always speak the truth, identify this city with Istanbul, formerly Constantinople, also called Constantinople = Aramaic.

Just arrived at the city gates, hasn't managed to get both people died the next day again see King Solomon the Reaper and now he's happy, asked: "why are you happy now?" and the grim reaper replied that these two men had to die at the gates of the city, and there was no way they get there so he was sad, and Solomon sent them there he could take their souls.

Each bearers for several years, and where he should leave this world, check out our abilities, but we shouldn't take risks mbon.

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#38 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:16:15 PM(UTC)
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Irishman wrote: "the third point is that the body needs to get used to the heat, should have the comfort to cool the body, even with drinking enough the body still needs to cool himself. I used to get commander said that a problem of hyperthermia poison, supposedly having but not enough, so he was an idiot, because he was just that sort of thing doesn't know when to stop to rest, need to be mindful of your body and your ability.

Don't understand what is wrong and what you recommend. And I don't know why the Chief idiot. Heat stroke is caused by a high fever, but only when the body is unable to cool itself. It doesn't have anything to drink. Sometimes they come together, then it's really hard, but you can die of heat stroke and still not be dehydrated. Body temperature according to a combination of heat and strenuous activities. The issue poisoned about maybe the fact that sometimes "poisoned" adheres comfort. Therefore the saying not divorced from reality.

Avoiding heat stroke is just comfortable to be in the shade, wet your body or your clothes. The natural state of the body sweats so cool himself. Drink a lot of it isn't necessarily enough and therefore need to take additional steps, particularly, preferably in the shade or cooling of the body.

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#39 Posted : Sunday, May 31, 2009 4:18:49 AM(UTC)
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I meant what you wrote, that the way to avoid heat exhaustion is rest, and need to know how to do the rest, and sometimes also force have to do alone, even though you feel you can keep
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#40 Posted : Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:22:09 PM(UTC)
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Excellent. Just not so understand text. I'm glad we both agree that people need to understand most clearly what is proper behavior. Safety is more important than doing.
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