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#181 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:14:21 PM(UTC)
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Hi Ofer,
Finished two days ago the AV2 and initially planned to go to AV1 but decided-I can definitely say that it is better to start with 1 and continue with 2 in terms of difficulty. Do 1 after 2 seemed a little too simple.
About-sections part two of AV2 is much harder than the first, and so it's up to you if you start from the trailhead, I recommend the variation in refuge accommodation Firenze really liked (with Club Alpina card is pretty cheap and dinner is a la carte menu). The last two days of the Trek can be walking in the cloud at worst so take that into account as well (that's what happened to me but I don't know what the weather in late September).
If you have a program and want to know about the trail all the maps with me and I'd be glad to help. By the book I see that most of the huts are open until late September/October but equal to plan ahead and make sure. About mramolda-in case you want to climb the glacier that need crampons, it'd be a shame to go to the iceberg and back (which happened to me;-).)

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#182 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 4:02:01 PM(UTC)
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Shirley ... How about some pictures?
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#183 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:14:29 PM(UTC)
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Probably will on Friday I just still in Milan:-) And Amnon was so awesome!
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#184 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:33:22 PM(UTC)
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The course was amazing. This legendary trail (for those who qualify)
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#185 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:20:46 AM(UTC)
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As one who both paths and WHR AV2 what harder?
(I'm starting to think about next year.)
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#186 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:57:12 AM(UTC)
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It put it this way. The first half of the WHR and the other half of the relatively harsh alpine trails AV2.
Everything else about the same level. Maybe with a little more difficulty on AV2
But Israel, according to graph your progress you need to walk the GR20.
Get there another sense that is different from the rest of the trails.
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#187 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:49:22 AM(UTC)
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Hi Shirley and tilapia,

At the moment we have an overall plan to AV2
Start at Passo Gardena and at Passo Cereda
I saw that can go off about 15-20 miles everything until after the mramolda (glacier) there one port and out after about 40 km at Passo Cereda
We chose this option because according to the story through the thread and per most pictures and descriptions is the most beautiful thing.

By the way, the original design was to make the GR20, but one of the guys was disposed toward piranias and via the bmslulim list.
Whether we aren't changed?

Additional questions:

1. does the route planned and we need a few days for him

2. don't understand if the itinerary includes VF or it routes depart what AV (off the road) in fact didn't realize what it was that you were talking about oaraiint (Shirley), I believe you have maps to help us understand where we're going.:-)

3. is the fourth week of September we should reserve enough rooms or just to verify if the cabins open at all?

3. read seen tilapia and lots of material on the GR20, is saying he's different from the rest of the trails you mean green landscapes and lakes or other differentiating. AV2.?

Thanks friends:-)
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#188 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:59:28 AM(UTC)
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In passo Gardena there are two places to one (hotel cir) was closed when I was there so comfortably rifugio frara option if you fall on סופ״ש I recommend reservations because mine was full. From there there are several options depending on the walking time you want – the book will require almost 5 hours to reach the refuge boe if you want to stay and today is too short you can soar to Piz Boe 3152 meters height should be amazing (there is also רפיוג׳ on top but by the book is open until 21st September).
Another option is to go to two hours rafiog viel del pan, the first day I'd recommend the first option because with enough via ferrate to the first day. Under the first option on the second day will take approximately four hours to reach mramolda where depending on the weather and you need to decide whether to take the cable car up that includes crossing a glacier and via ferrate (crossing that requires crampons) or continue to Malga ciapela and sleep there and also there can rise and fall on the mramolda cable car.

Again, the sequel really depends on how many hours you want to go and how many days you wish to do this. About the via prattot, there are no worries. I think it is meaningful to rifugio pradidali Passo delle Lede.
About the specified variation is just another way that day but you start after that.
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#189 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:06:51 PM(UTC)
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Need to do some good with the matter of via prattot (VF).
Generally, each piece of which cables and pegs set VF, but that's not the point of the Italians in VF
When we talk about VF in Dolomites, it refers to specific sections that require security equipment and VF is the purpose of the section.
IE should distinguish between casual VF to help the hiker, and there are endless along to AV2 VF that is the attraction itself.
Lists of VF and are not an integral part of the course but walks. The crossing of the Marmalade ..., for example, doesn't count section VF
Have krampons ice grip and traction on the rock a few pegs in the pass, not the thing to FV as self-contained attraction

About the variance of the GR20 route. The intention was different.
This is less GR20 speaking (in my opinion) from AV1 or WHR or TMB-2
The variance is in the atmosphere. There's something very authentic atmosphere. A combination of primitive (in a good way) with a sense of detachment and distance.
Don't know how to define it exactly. Although France Corsica but this island is France's "third-world".
And again, I don't mean that pejoratively, but rather to the right place. You get the feeling that time was arrested on the island decades ago.

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#190 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:50:23 PM(UTC)
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Shirley, many thanks for the info, I believe there will be more questions.

Tilapia, about vf in v2 complete me valuable information, I wasn't sure whether equipment to vf returned v2,
Anyway in our planning to do at least two runways in hand theme 3 c vf that I have equipment, and here comes the next question:
From where comes the gear Do you sell entering runways? Do we need to purchase equipment?

About Corsica, in April and since this is not the season we lower tracks not the gr20, I saw a huge difference in mood in Corsica in France compared to the atmosphere, the people and the landscapes are much more cozy and warm, the guard has become the island Corsica never did anything like the kind of country in itself not associated with France.
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#191 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:19:49 PM(UTC)
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About Corsica, then you understand what I'm talking about. What you felt in tracks are also noticeable in high orbit.

Equipment for VF should purchase. Set to have around 100 euro price VF. It doesn't weigh much, nor takes up a lot of space.
There is also the possibility of renting equipment for around 50 euros per week. The rent is possible at most sports stores.
If your starting points is Verona, then repaired or get a gear.
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#192 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 5:17:01 PM(UTC)
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Hello to everyone

As I wrote here about the threads of AV1 and WHR-this thread is turning into one of the best sources of information on AV2. Thanks to all the contributors.

Following the last debate between Ofer and Shirley about the clips Via Ferrata on AV2 got an idea/request.

As someone who has a contingency plan for a trip on one of the things most AV2 employers. the travel route of beneficial go. Of course most of the Via Ferrate in thnkses.
The distinction of Amnon Via Ferrate routes, among them the technical track and sections where added scalability, ladders, ropes and so on to make regular route to safer or to travellers accustomed is important but not enough. It is still unclear to me whether the clips Via Ferrata along the AV2 are cause for concern (and maybe cancel my plans) or not.

The idea, my request is this:
To add within the story or individually the emphasis on Via Ferrata route segments.
How long? How hard Do require special equipment?
Photos of course very capabilities to help understand the nature of the section.

Thanks in advance
Jonathan
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#193 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 5:36:24 PM(UTC)
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Hey Jonathan,

The ferrate at the track they did as Amnon said are designed to help the traveler and although there are several sections not simple I don't think they are a source of concern for the experienced hiker and certainly didn't feel any way I need some equipment. Not a lot of the sections took the ones but the raise in the coming days. And another thing, I don't have that problem but I guess someone with Vertigo there are sections that might seem threatening. Also, besides the security measures there are a number of short sections that require climbing with your hands.

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#194 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:22:54 PM(UTC)
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AV2 does not require any technical equipment. In principle the mramolda too can climb without krampons. Me and Abdul used.
I thought this topic was already clear about VF AV2. The trail passes the length without any security equipment!
Actually a track section eventually included AV1 VF requiring security equipment but there is no such thing on AV2.
The pegs and the cables are laid out along the route only intended to facilitate offenses. They do not require to connect to security equipment
I repeat it again: on AV2 no VF that requires security equipment.
Any child or adult can go through the whole track with sandals and sndbicim case.
Nothing to fear or worry. These tracks are perfectly safe for anyone who has some experience and competence go weather explained

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#195 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:12:47 PM(UTC)
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Hello Amnon

I appreciate the soothing repeated attempts nishnim
I understand that there is no need for special equipment for the sections on AV2 VF. However from reading the description track (e.g. day six or eight) are often not simple pieces VF
Even some of the photographs attached appear challenging.







I belong to the kind of people who are not afraid of heights but require sections rely on hands power over time or at equilibrium (e.g. narrow path requires a side walk over the abyss) can pressure them. In my experience there are many such travelers. Do you think the AV2 suitable for person with disabilities ""?
Does VF system could help (to fear less lengthy sections of VF)?

Thanks, Jonathan

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#196 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:25:56 PM(UTC)
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VF system can ease fears in several places. I don't rule out taking VF system I only claim to is not needed.
There's no way that rely on power arms. It may seem that in the photos but in reality.
I also think the pictures some form of false representation. None of this was really hard.
The course have already done quite a bit of a women. I haven't heard of yet unusual difficulty into a specific VF
There is a long and steep as f increases. That's the hard part, not the short pegs and cables
I believe everything you say no you until you come and see for yourself.
Buy VF Kit (only with security cable harness). It weighs a pound and it will give you the peace of mind in these sections are similar to the pictures.
The fear that you describe is not limited. Pretty much afraid of climbing. I see this all the time in streams.
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I will share some words and say that at least twice I saw signs invariant to join even though I don't think it's necessary, but it should be noted that it exists. And about the mramolda I strongly disagree-I don't know what was the status of glacier shamanon been there but I've ever met and we have 90 minutes in vain just to see dozens of people put crampons and we're the only ones without. Finally, the guy without crampons that weaved its way just to barely get into real ice and got stuck in the middle of the glacier so unequivocally (and I'm not just hoshshim) I don't recommend brides there without crampons.
And about Jonathan, Middle image belongs to mramolda Prata after that you don't have to do and the last picture I guess just photographed from an angle. Anyway if you have many doubts, maybe I should do one because the other part of the Trek so requires caution.
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#198 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:38:08 PM(UTC)
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The transition of the mramolda depends on the status of the iceberg. When we arrived it was obviously left route all those who went before us.
All we need to do is just to walk in the path. Wasn't even slip option because the depth of the path was 15-20 cm
After a hard winter, the glacier was probably in a different mode. I believe that Shirley's passed without krampons
I wish in this setting in the cable before you lift. They know very well where the glacier each and every day.
Incidentally, there are many Thunderbolt override mramolda and giving up in advance on the crossing. This popular option that saves a lot of effort
But if you can cross the mountain that impressive so I'd hate to give up. This is one of the highlights of the track.
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#199 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:08:13 PM(UTC)
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Shirley, Amnon.

The things I wrote pretty place. I believe I came to take track and cable harness. About mramolda-I don't think we should miss the part (unless the weather is problematic).

About AV1-in plans.

Jonathan
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#200 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:23:17 PM(UTC)
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Are you going to get another year Jonathan?
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