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זמי1  
#1 Posted : Monday, July 27, 2009 5:05:26 PM(UTC)
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Http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/918/500.html

Does anyone know any updated information? It was reported that the path is blocked because the religious bathing beach and beyond limit for those kind don't wash the other day.

If anyone knows a way to tell.

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#2 Posted : Monday, July 27, 2009 10:42:59 PM(UTC)
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There is no limit to the rudeness of the Orthodox community in Israel
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:06:50 AM(UTC)
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Don't blame the religious but the municipality, the city she decided.

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#4 Posted : Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:22:33 PM(UTC)
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I don't think the city would do such a thing, initiative

Sure there was serious pressure on behalf of the Orthodox community in the city of Herzliya, and even more serious Bnei Brak municipality.

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#5 Posted : Tuesday, July 28, 2009 3:55:17 PM(UTC)
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Mention the name of a pedestrian near a cliff, do you do it?
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:02:56 PM(UTC)
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From what I gather from the article said they did not have to do.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:34:49 PM(UTC)
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And why even have a workaround? So the Utah closed the shore and in September it would violate And guardians of the tradition are also want to bathe in the sea, why the fuss?

Who starts in September alone to see this block two weeks later. And starting in August, so he really has a problem, not blocking. The hottest ...

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#8 Posted : Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:51:24 PM(UTC)
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There is no doubt. All religious in the country incorporated by most and increased at the Herzliya municipality to close miserable Beach section.

To יבמן2.

When, because of his faith and lifestyle, spending 90 percent of beaches/pools/water parks, you can't complain about secular coercion. Even for content that correspond to religious television you don't complain [I have many more, stop here.]

Pluralism, liberalism, eco, live and let live, don't generalize. You have forgotten all that?

Months a year, from eight in the morning until eight at night, that's what dthei ש"גזלו" Herzelia and the environment.

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#9 Posted : Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:42:42 PM(UTC)
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That close to the shore, but do the public queue that requires so much consideration and tolerance when it comes to releasing all their sound is "no compromises" religion. You're talking about the day that consideration will transport the first Saturday I hang religious iottot beaches. But it seems to happen with the coming of Christ
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:46:44 AM(UTC)
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Libman, why put a smiley? What's so funny?

Rudeness and contempt. Yankele, maybe you closed the road near the House between 8:00 a.m. to 2:00 in the afternoon? Oh, you're not going in this time. But your neighbors? Don't mind them

In August 2007 I spent on the Mediterranean walking on the trail. Now you told me it wasn't possible and that acceptable? Wait until September? Or maybe October? What about some concerned decides to swim in winter? Wake up, my friend.

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#11 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:59:42 AM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = mark]

Libman, why put a smiley? What's so funny?




The whole idea of Christ first of all diverting me personally. Regardless, even a small chance that the religious "settle" for something for even the rest of the world can live here is explained about the coming of Christ and that tomorrow what me funny: \ (Not really an appropriate smile laugh cynical and frustrated)
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:05:12 AM(UTC)
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I'm not angry about your smile and I understand the cynicism and simmering under the surface.

I really don't care they will swim where they wish, let the others go without interruption. Small bypass, a breakwater within ק"ם. Everything is fine with me, but not what yankele wrote.

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#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2009 4:44:00 AM(UTC)
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In relation to public transport: it's annoying and irritating that there is no public transport on Saturday, but I think it's crucial and important Jewish country there would be any signs of it. And it's one of the few remaining symbols. The people have no idea about their heritage and identity. Ben Gurion said all his life without the Bible we have no existence and win here, but my friend in the military who were asking three fathers or some books there. Like it or not, all longing and yearning in 2,000th year, Korn. Get religion [not necessarily practical thing but as a heritage and culture], and stay Zionism. Then Yes! That's why I prefer not to be public transport, but who knew there was such a thing Saturday!

B. Libman: so bothered you religious? What UCLA you so on public transport?, that's what we talked about. Missing you mixed beaches that have separate short

C. compromise: how shopping malls and shopping centers this compromise for me, look how the street below my house is in me, and my children's culture shallow [that future perk] absorb the media or on the street or in any compromise, kosher-kitchens-a compromise compared to what I'm used to privately [Yes, I served in the army and do, mingled all sorts of Orthodox religious differences have no little ones] , That a large part of the world of sports practice on Saturday and I can't watch/participate in this compromise tomorrow-is another day without any reference or minimum education to non-religious, even this compromise. When shaskim run on Saturday and parallel business keeps Saturday can't compete, it's also a compromise.

That which I have to go for in this nudist beach in me! Why you should I hold all of it, but you can't take one beach is closed for two months in a year?

So what answer me, sometimes you don't have to go to the Mall. So you can reduce the your walks on the beach.

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#14 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:11:42 AM(UTC)
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Don't forget you can limit yourself to these issues. This narrow and shallow culture of everyone in my opinion:
And public transport Friday nightlife in central Israel is talking with potential to save lives and take stupid drunk and tired drivers off the road, but from what I understand it's nothing religious pikuach Nefesh against the sanctity of the Sabbath
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:24:30 PM(UTC)
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The trails-work in front of City Hall.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:21:57 PM(UTC)
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If that's what you get from religion, probably not understanding. Pikuach Nefesh Sabbath. But that doesn't mean you're allowed to violate the Sabbath, getting drunk in the Club, to take the wheel drunk then blame the religious [or not religion is the way Noah lets us] you! Who is "stupid drunk drivers" as your configuration would be foolish.

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#17 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:53:30 PM(UTC)
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What's the problem? You can go through the cliff just beyond the perimeter of the Mall at the arena.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:00:40 AM(UTC)
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Mr. OK.

I think you're mixing frenzy two completely different concepts that they the Jewish religion and Jewish nationalism. Maaser is a property of the Jewish religion, and sit around a table in the Passover Eve, it is characteristic of the Jewish nation. Of course there are overlaps, but there are also large areas don't overlap. (Passover overlaps, no tithes)

In my opinion the situation created in a country where large corporations need to fold and close branches because of boycott threats from ultra-Orthodox society, or some girl should curse or bad or even (God forbid) or spitting a rock in the head because she walks down the street with shorts or a t-shirt, is simply intolerable.

I didn't invent the term, but I can't not think about "country within a country" as a Jew (secular but still), and I'm sad.

Can you explain once and for all why so girl you see open business? If I want to buy biscuits on Saturday why? You don't want to. But why I can't buy?

The State is not a State. Tell a Jewish character? This concept implies that character for most of the Hebrew language in face value. Public can't be taking upon himself by choice and the various restrictions and enforces them through other means.

Why not live in faith? Why are you forcing me to live like you

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#19 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:20:15 AM(UTC)
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I have nothing to say. I think sitting there also secular, we forgot long ago what you mean shabbaton isn't just smart, you said '' and even a home day sabbatical to work, sit down with your family. Become material culture oblivion, what makes a family together, but I am secular, Saturday is a day without work and seeing how other employers on Saturday or I have a creaky species. Travel in Europe shows how Sunday is a day without work, ever so slightly business working on Sunday, people take their first day off, shabbaton that crushed them because no one came to press them to work or else be fired, because otherwise you won't have money.

Saturday should be out of a job that should have such a day for all of us, a day without work. Don't buy on Saturday. For me, it's not a mandatory rest day religious as I took a day without balicha walk so I drive alive, a day of rest.

And about religious coercion? I am being careful not to get into it lest once burned ... on getting sunburned. Not in our forum.

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#20 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:15:03 AM(UTC)
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A. about mixing: the theme of religion and nationalism in the wake of the question why impose a law Saturday as shabbaton [e.g. public transportation]. I still argue that the fundamental mistake is yours! It is not possible to separate the Jewish religion for the nation! Unlike other religions, we don't separate religion and nationality. American Christian and have French or Arab Christian. But does not have the Jewish religion that is not people/nationality. What I'm saying is that in order to preserve national and Zionist should give itself to things that are private, religious-that they don't have to.

People have forgotten what is Shabbat, holidays, the tomb of the Patriarchs, and have forgotten what it is, and the written Torah and oral and sanctification, etc. Because of this remoteness and ignorance towards religion and heritage [= Torah and Bible, Greek researchers, staff, our history-what is has always been fraught with religious identity], people are starting to forget why we're here, what our right on this earth, and we may even take cruel?? And who said it should be a Jewish State? In short, people get confused.

Therefore:

I don't want no companies working on Saturday because of boycott threats, I mean it should be in the interest of us all have a link from the country as a State official, served to our tradition, culture and religion. The State as a Jewish State, need to pursue it. I guess ignorance is greater among quality people [personal experience] regarding their identity and their association to this land, and I think part of that is because there are few phrases for our identity. Saturday a shabbaton is a blessing, so I think it should be kept. True, that's why we have to sacrifice some of our comfort.

B. about curses and stones. I said before: this is a minimal part of the religious public. What's happening now, it-a very specific group of Haredi public. I disagree and I never swore/I got a scolding, kind [I'm no religious person I know — including ultra-Orthodox] secular girl or business to open his shop on Saturday. Of course, I've got family and friends too secular. In short, point taken.

I think you again [navot and Libman] some drifting. Unfortunately, you live pretty far from where I live. But you repeatedly return to the point of. I asked what else religious Liebman force him and got an answer. What I'm making you live like me? Again, try not to generalize.

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