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#1 Posted : Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:45:14 AM(UTC)
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My question is this:
Does the person's nohoto depends on money?
(A rhetorical question.)
And why?
Because aini ל'שביל preparations and find myself without gear.
Therefore, I ask you, please, and Forum members know a thing or two about rims and Moreover, good and reliable travel stores and less important, cheap.

I can imagine about the tshobotchm: "it varies from administrator to administrator", "Ricochet", "Traveler" (and that's only if you have there.)
I went to pishpshti, the Internet to second hand awareness, trying to get to the suppliers, manufacturers, importers and their ... Not succeed.
Prices are sky-high and the sciences for means.

See, a veteran, Terry, released few months and during this period in his life, he has one dream – shvil Israel.
(Want to buy product number: journey, hiking, tent, סק"ש.)

Thanks in advance and greetings from good week.
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#2 Posted : Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:42:58 AM(UTC)
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Nerki, encountered trouble of all animals. I think the best solution is purchasing equipment in the United States where the prices of tens and even hundreds of percent from prices in the country (and forgive me terlers), especially at this time when the flooded stores for discounts. Of course not every item we recommend to buy online (backpack, shoes) and if you have no one to bring you the equipment, the shipping costs and customs may make the deal without pay.

I personally, most of my equipment (tent, inflatable mattress, nzinia (not necessary for), a sleeping bag, walking sticks etc.) bought abroadwith me40223.3240972222
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#3 Posted : Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:15:52 PM(UTC)
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I agree with me, the prices abroad are at least half or even less than the prices in the country.
If you can get them from the United Way's acquaintance got ppachot than half than it would have cost you.

Personally, for the last year and a half collecting equipment, first (9 payments as a soldier) then a locker, a sleeping bag on sale, birthday gift walking sticks, split with 12 percent more credit card discount, shoes also offer is $ 560 and functional.
Anyway, I was looking for and always looking for products that cost benefit ratio that fits me.
Then I went to and a little liberty. Anyway:

Case dioter have good on $ 700.
Shoes-don't settle, no matter what! Take what's good for you, but there's no just getting in cheaper. 2 popular models and Usk and the old Oslo oasth power, and the price of the first one as the other approximately 800 and 1100, both very popular shopping in turns, with friends who have not yet been released.
-Not really needed, and you can design it so if it rains you never sleep outside if raining surprising take manifold. (I bought a tent, TARPTENT USA-1050 (deliver abroad) but through a friend's uncle).
Sleeping bag-lightweight model of helium azter 600 and as its name implies it weighs 600 grams. Cost-$ 250 I found it on sale at 180 (including the assumption of credit card, use it's worth).
Walking sticks – it's (relatively) expensive and it will cost you approximately 400 shekels.

Another tip from something I learned recently in stores they don't Ricochet or request discount traveler and insist them (say you saw at another cheaper) and just make very significant discounts.

If you or from Jerusalem:
There's a store called journeys through and read all the way, great shop with flexible prices.
Caravan in Nahalat Shiva, good prices.
Travel/Ricochet-12/10 percent respectively with the discount. There are times when credit to buy them. Note these operations you 012 connect them you get a discount of $ 150.

Compare prices, find deals. It will save you money.
Good equipment buyers once, but note that almost everything has a cheaper substitute that might hold exactly for the period you need. If you are planning more trips outside the trail worth to invest. If not, then it's a waste of money.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:18:06 PM(UTC)
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BTW, when are you planning to go?
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#5 Posted : Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:50:42 PM(UTC)
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As usual I stood slightly exceeded, reverse of my predecessors.

There are two maybe three things that really should invest in shoes, bag and maybe a sleeping bag.

All other swanky or fancy, or certainly one doesn't have.

Shoes-sneakers for hard surface. It's definitely cheaper than mini 1100 models. I went with (new Lance) more than 1500 km and has not yet disintegrated completely. As long as you have a relatively high figure, and attachments. There is no typical mountain country.

The locker? Take bottles of water.

Walking sticks? I got it fine without. And if you look really offered yankele.

Tent? Not sure, it depends on when, if so then he would still cheaper and 500 grams.

In nzinia- I got it fine without. Just overweight.

Etc etc. During preparations to do short trips of a day or two, and see what you really need.

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#6 Posted : Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:26:41 PM(UTC)
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Sometimes good יענק'לה here

Beginning of Israel trip is not cheap and you have to face it. All a veteran knows that in order to finance a trip abroad are going to work a year or more, preferably in excess work thus release huge increases. The same is true of Israel trip. Go to work for a few months and save money on Israel trip.

And the body of matter יענק'לה says shoes very likely in the Israel National Trail (INT) can be bought at $ 650 and, uh, all the trail without a problem. For example, Voyager model of old Oslo. They certainly are better than good sneakers that cost. Same price. When that model was in trouble, but he's doing a great job. If you want to go abroad too then we should invest in shoes only $ 1100.

Backpack is very good also.

Backpack to buy for Israel. $ 500, depending on volume. Try the volume of OUTDOOR and 45 65 liters. And their pods come with a 3 litre locker. Recently I purchased 32 liter backpack with a locker and cost me $ 325.

As for other expensive equipment see what Mark wrote.

Easy homemade here divorce

It is true that the country can buy cheaper supplies from leading companies in the world, but who wants to go out a month after the release to take into account equipment. Lior is here for a year and did an excellent job for the port.

For me the great OUTDOOR equipment also.

Last maps and guides. All the maps are all new guide to yourself a lot of money.

And now opens the discussion organized here too.

Have fun!

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#7 Posted : Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:55:20 PM(UTC)
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I researched, read, listened and ...

According to my knowledge, did.

I decided to invest as required; )
At one time.

In stores today shittii travellers met a friend who studied with me in case a ricochet, if she works there.

Went I bought everything there (the majority) and detail:
La sportiva mountain shoes, eight hundred and thirty shekels.
The North Face CRESTONE 75 backpack eight hundred thirty shekels.
The North Face ALEUTIAN that miles free! (A little heavy but he's so noachachh he)
Trophy/rain Salewa five hundred and seventy dollars.
Drinking root bag 3 litre 90 shekels.
Actic tour towel. 90 dollars.
Total: $ 2410

My calculation, I:)
And finished most of the buying at one time, a couple of them got about 3 hours.

I leave at the end of this month, February, Eilat (hopefully Tabba-mmaber) to Dan.
Buy more rods (thanks, but no thanks, יענק'לה without tone of disdain, of course, but if anything, now) but I need the necessary tent?

Thank you for your contribution, it is!


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#8 Posted : Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:17:20 PM(UTC)
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The tent really isn't necessary.
Even more rain coat

But in a big bag.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:31:00 PM(UTC)
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I'm going to take a position even more extreme example. I don't think there's one item I really need to get him a lot of money.




For example shoes: at the time, before I started the apalatim, bought in USA 11 pairs of shoes of HITECH in $ 20 each. Don't know the exact account, but on average I went with each pair of 2000 km.
From what I've seen, beyond the level of the lowest rates, shoe durability depends much more on the way in which you use, and the environment (wet environments running shoes a lot faster than dry environments) than the price. Harry also considered membership services are uniquely tailored for shoes at places like Vietnam.   And regardless of shoes don't last a more than three hodshiis of daily intensive.   So if you're strapped for cash, it's best not to throw him something itavla. And if you hate the shoes, you have lost weight about 200 cheap shoes and 1100 on expensive shoes.

As long as your equipment too heavy you can certainly try to use running shoes. I think it works to over 50% of the aalchim what I know, especially if you have strong ankles and shoes ease other advantages. This whole discussion about oltrali (light) I'm not going to get it.

Ditto about backpacks. Again, my experience shows that most people who buy a backpack swear about, regardless of price. The truth is that most people don't try during their lives than a backpack or two so difficult to compare.    Beyond olteraliit pods, I noticed that the cheapest pods are usually also the most basic and therefore the easiest. Making pods more expensive that many all kinds of attractive options to the eye but usually are.   Big all what you need is a large sack all incoming. into and easy to put on. This is.

I could keep talking about all this (although specific, I must admit that I'm not buying the equipment in the country, only in the USA where there is a lot more competition) but it's not rlveti.
What's really important is that you remember is what lots of people tend to forget-equipment is just tool. If you have you will do for regardless of your level. There's a famous case of a grandmother who made the Ambassador apalch and jute bag backpack (used it as well as a sleeping bag).   And a lot of times people did long paths with really cheap equipment.

So it is, my advice is to look for the cheapest equipment you can find (in order used equipment if you sell this kind of thing) and then do a afgriiding it as you have more personal experience, and as your financial situation improves.
And don't let anyone tell you it can't be done. It's up to you.

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#10 Posted : Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:02:41 PM(UTC)
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Renewed

And most importantly, have fun!

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Probably you meet halfway. I'm going to the North in early March.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:15:42 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = Narki] I studied, I read, listened and ...

And finished most of the buying at one time, a couple of them got about 3 hours.

I leave at the end of this month, February, Eilat (hopefully Tabba-mmaber) to Dan.
Buy more rods (thanks, but no thanks, יענק'לה without tone of disdain, of course, but if anything, now) but I need the necessary tent?

Thank you for your contribution, it is!


made an account, and I put my account here. You just fine. 3 hours- Did buy Flash!!! When I went to Israel also bought everything in one store of Ricochet but they had me a lot longer.  You don't really need. Hope you go with the right guide and maps.

Have fun!

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#12 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 1:53:18 AM(UTC)
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Touch point, Achilles to write the correct maps.

My plan was to print the maps link On how if it's a problem. :

You want to download the following file:

Http://rapidshare.com/files/195966318/Israel_Trail.pdf | 35540 KB

Unfortunately right now our servers are overloaded and we have no more download slots left for non-members. Of course you can also try again late


So now it looks like I'm going without maps
Hope it's resolved, I also deer's book I just scroll to the South and is backwards, it's possible to get along with him? I also heard about another school, but haven't really found guest reviews.

Thanks and ...
Good night.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, February 20, 2010 1:11:33 PM(UTC)
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No maps except? Not bad. I too almost no trail map, except of declaration.

To say that is accurate? Not at all. To say it? Neither really.

However, will the new guide. Beyond the good things the others which are the useful maps (although they are no longer accurate). The authors of the book will give you a link to relevant updates.

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#14 Posted : Sunday, February 21, 2010 3:25:51 AM(UTC)
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First of all, Hello Ronnie-the living dead. Long time no seen your message.
Secondly, like my predecessor, I also recommend looking for relatives abroad sometimes on eBay comes out cheaper even after shipping * and *. Worth to check.
Third, warning about shoes: it all depends. I have a friend who travels to enjoyment with new balance. I, however, don't dare to go with my partner in anything more serious than a dirt road with a few pounds on my back. Why Because my ankles, as it turned out, painful way much more sensitive. Some people can get along well with sneakers/area, and there are those who have more serious support.
About nzinia-in the country, I used to hang out with a homemade deal, if not that amgazit. I'm in nzinia excursions.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, March 4, 2010 5:26:42 AM(UTC)
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Basically, Ronnie and yagil said. The happiness and money: once on the trail, I underestimated the weight of massive American trail travelers struggled in the fine mountain equipment that stifled the pods. In fact, most of it useless, or unnecessary, or inappropriate. Their trip was a nightmare, although carried everything we do about bitter professional sites. So money is no guarantee of happiness. Need to know.

Shoe type derived from the weight. But they don't have a special need to accommodate the massive hike.

About all the equipment, recently started to explore more olteraliit (Yes, Ronnie-benefits as the system.)  And I'm tired of worship for this technology.

What you bought.

But unlike Ronnie, don't think all cheap equipment can do. Worst nightmare, pod and had some shells in my life. Cheap pot-no problem, also can cook. Don't have titanium mug. On the other hand, I think a hotplate do and cheap, mad money. Most comfortable, buy cheap and good, aleia on eBay and close interest in $ 100 and 25 grams.

Some items I think: must be purchased for travel, pants shirt shoes, exercise or walking. Have items worth buying abroad because the price gaps or that do not accomplish here, although the competition is rising prices in the country. Still, good head, good little camera, one way or another with a large selection of intermediate dimensions than in the land has only abroad and, of course, their operations.

Extra clothing, Yes and no. The US has some very minor items and especially effective not just to get in, or produced locally in low level role and costs-not necessarily. Has the equipment of large stores, as REI or BACKCOUNTRY, and when they leave, you get discounts offered by most equipment or similar in quality and performance for large brands, only without the penalty of branding logo.

Compare items have to do alone. Great fleece liner 120 NIS fleece blanket, costs $ 15 for author and 20 per seamstress. Easy $ 20 stainless steel shower, trim lever and improvise your own easy grip wire. I believe that no MSR sued for patent infringement.

Contrary to conventional opinion, he doesn't think a mattress. To know how to make a lettuce field in winter, wall stones and natural insulation and therefore mandatory. Purifies water from-this optional, purifying you snare-purification highly desirable, to introduce some practical methods for purifying and disinfecting water without auxiliary means better.

There are items on the quality, efficiency and their weight shouldn't compromise: head torch, knife, compass (if one at all), aleia (according to the light or heavy), locker (if not drinking bottles-sometimes better, especially in the desert of shkzerim in heaven) and known habits and reasons on behalf of suffering, likelihood but no hot air. High-tech or not, that's another question.

The km is a good question. In similar rates, synthetic I have a km of Swedish Bergen bought the land before too long, and is still rising. In overseas, taking that in no country.

I love to feel the miles in his hand. To see the tile shape, structure and type of filling, and the seams, to look at the Pocket and supplies shrink laces technical provider sites never says whether one or two to check the external fabric quality. A matter of taste. Anyway, in winter and the transition seasons should km. Sleep exposed at Lachish or wipe in December-January, might be a little chilly. In the summer take something on 60 NIS.

-If you are traveling alone, I don't see a real need, but maybe during the winter. In General, better cover this type of easy tarpent don't even have to buy. I take a mosquito net and curtain. Now I'm done with the child, 9 years old, the craters in the Negev and manifold and press without a mattress, liner one for him. Save the best weight and still sleep in the warmth and coziness.

And of course, some second-hand equipment. Also a very good way. Check out the homeless and on eBay.

You can cover your lack of money for information. To know how sleep right, to exploit and conserve the equipment weight and price. Reduce backpack, small and much more. To work with the method clothing layers and take very little. Today I went down to the field with a quarter of the quantity and weight carrying clothing and convenience only.

So it's a combination. You put gear, gear, gear have not bought piecemeal over time. Time and experience will do.

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