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#1 Posted : Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:07:31 PM(UTC)
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I'm still trying to adjust to the concept of Camp Israel. The pretty sky ruins (lane heard some water he should carry the day 50 km through the desert and quite amazed), but it's going to be.
The Achilles is the food. Need advice from other experienced light food, rice, soups, pasta and lentils or beans and quinua and blends available in Israel ...
Food hot and tasty style neither Israel nor good to me fills me right after. Powdered mashed potatoes here disgust me, I have no idea what it's like in other parts of the world.
Ode for advice.

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:52:57 PM(UTC)
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You don't dry lunches in Paris. For some reason it does not exist in Israel. Although these too expensive meals.
You can try couscous. But what you described here about the food is about what you get. You don't expect to carry the heik steaks?

Mac & cheese is all about the USA. What you're describing is not suitable for your taste.

Powdered mashed potatoes it is excellent. I don't know what sells.
Any chance you just a foodie?

On the long trail. Doesn't care what the food at some point and what's the point. Simple packing everything. So the biscuits taste is not familiar for the trails.

The weight of water in the desert in the Israel National Trail (INT) is a total product of the archangels and trail water caches are regulated and maintained such as the PCT. We have a lot to learn and implement.

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#3 Posted : Wednesday, April 21, 2010 5:10:19 PM(UTC)
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Also I think couscous. This relatively soon (requires no cooking, just add boiling water and wait a few minutes), satisfying and delicious.
You can add spices and dried vegetables, there are all sorts of reasons for writers/nature.
Just make sure that you add enough water, it's not edible.
The puree can add powdered milk to improve taste, although I also didn't puree have bad land (not that I eat it at home).
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:17:55 PM(UTC)
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Also great as bulgur couscous, requires no cooking and more satisfying (in my opinion) couscous.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:50:55 PM(UTC)
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Rome was acting like. And like Israel.

Easy camping that Israel didn't terminology corresponds to that in the U.S. or elsewhere. If you have 5-6 liters of water so nothing's easy. In these conditions you should adjust the weights equipment. Olteraliit pod doesn't really allow the carrying amounts of such water.

If the wine is who I think, so he can order hearty meals and umbrellas anywhere in the desert Creek parking lot even the meal cost + $ take out.

All mentioned above, satisfying, tasty and light weight. By the taste depends mainly from the kitchen. I an indication of experience of walking in a row with "amateur" adjacent kitchen.

The waking of Eyal regarding fixed and Angels landfills:

We need to learn from others how to behave and how to maintain burial. There is no lack of gentleman Bill. Last month joined about 10 new trail angels.

Itzik hitmin Angel stronghold back the water stops the case (or breaks in the language of the people), and why? Because people didn't bother to do the bare minimum that is required of them and thank him for the service in the form of a report "how much water remained huge. There's only so much one man can help hikers ungrateful.

The fingers closed the camping accommodation that they behaved disgracefully. There are other Angels I hear their criticism towards the camping site, lucky is that there are many real Angels continue despite the problems.

Now there are burial (?) in the stream, and I fear its future is similar. There are also two landfills in black and Mall Creek, and the regional name is SAGE ashvilistim discount.

ALE. Mumps?

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#6 Posted : Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:51:13 AM(UTC)
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Eyal is about to begin the PCT.

About food-sliced bread, grilled cheese or salami or jerky, it's sandwiches, and recess. Mix dried fruits and almonds Cup. Slap a big dinner in March, also increases at night = bag of Knorr pasta or rice containing Juan/John and rice with a side of potato flakes, peanut, yellow cheese, ham, fruit and vegetable every day. These bags and speed are not heat long, spicy and easy to carry and disperse in a pod. Never came to start cooking more than 10-15 minutes before.

Extras-Bamba, biscuits, chips, Granola, not thinking. Walking I allow myself to eat junk as a treat. This allowed a health snack.

I don't think couscous especially feeder but I range.

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#7 Posted : Thursday, April 22, 2010 2:05:31 AM(UTC)
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If so and you'll feel the thick kind.
Flakes
Quaker
Dried fruit-raisins, dates
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#8 Posted : Thursday, April 22, 2010 2:44:10 AM(UTC)
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Repeat at the end of September after the PCT. Starts in 10 days.

Yankele, very sorry to hear that Craig oz doesn't maintain the huge already. He's a really nice person and donated lots including me when I did.

I agree that the culture in the country should also include appropriate behavior of people themselves and not just the amount of angels and atmanot. It is no argument at all. Just a shame there are those who behave like that.
About angels and landfills. Of course my experience only talked about for two years ago. Obviously things change and I'm glad more people join the actions. I hope to do this myself when I get back.
Also the addition of landfills in the Negev is new to me. Excellent!

I'd love if there was anything more regulated but one step at a time.

In summary,

Even after the world's trails I still think is beautiful and good for Israel. There's always room for improvement. Also the culture of the country.

Incidentally, ultra light thing and carrying water.
In the deserts of Southern California and New Mexico no less. But if you have decent water caches and maintenance you don't need to carry so much water. 5-6 liters per day. About the carrying capacity of the ultra light cases I agree. If other equipment is not easy so ripping. Then you might want to switch to light? What are you saying?

BTW, I'm not a follower of the guru Lite as many Americans I've met here. I agree and not.

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#9 Posted : Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:31:12 AM(UTC)
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About I treat every situation. But I don't like to eat wrong. As there is no reason to carry more weight it makes no sense to eat garbage and certainly not bad food.
Don't want to carry this fuse. Israelis don't do anything but that in many places around the world. Every public-and there's the ktsooteltova. Hikers can be very selfish and species using some from the necessity of the trip and natural living like leeches. I'm not sure we're more rude than others.
I think they're trails trails anywhere in the world. Every bill you should encounter problems. Perhaps in no serious problem that PCT, but other long trails realized. And I realized that even on PCT has a few days food carrier segments, bears and other animals. In New Zealand, or my experience walking in the mountains in Australia, staged in an area no food (except for chasing and oilovim and they run very fast:-).) Israel d trail enters this category with purchase every 3-5 days, assuming they don't want to deviate from my hand and run to plant every hole. What to do, not everyone has the time and ability to do it.

On the other hand, total in Israel easy to obtain, in terms of buying before the decline and deviations if you have the time or the money. It is true that shoplifting is a function of price, too. You can sleep and Zimmer also all Lila. Yankele if I had extra bucks a day would pay rent and buy better equipment.
For two years I tried to go easy. I managed to get to 16 pounds to four days in the desert, including 6 liters of water a day and filling landfills, communities and back, including a mattress and manifold in winter or summer night-200 and 300 grams respectively. The cartridge weighs 1800, but the food comes out between pounds to 750 grams per day which is too heavy for me. I am 40 years old and age became difficult to carry.
The desert sky uses patented decontamination includes back, sucking, and breathing the water, under the tongue. Still, there's nothing I can do I drink a lot. Relying on that pressure washers and limit how much we can hump Jeep, travelers are willing helpers, but at some point it became extremely unpleasant-nor can always count on it.

Ma, specified nutrition sells. Agree with you about the whole sandwich, but this bread. Gorp also weighs 400 grams per day, and very thirsty. As the trip progresses are eating less and still ...
More weight thieves are the SLR-like camera weighs 450 grams (or 270 grams of Phuket but is not serious pictures right here I gave) the old sleeping bag semi-finals after 10 years of dedicated service and replaced-REI winter spring and fall backwards, it weighs 1200 and 1000 as technical specifications. (800 g bag of budget). Summer moves to sack easier. When fired in the meantime and until itebox will be impatient to make a nice, capital of Coke combustion in unclean-HEET Israel and created a lot of soot on the pot and all. And I mean lots, all black experience and the next day there are sequels. Alcohol clean combustion creates. On eBay I found a not served properly and cans to build one good at teaching myself a Stubbs takes quite some time. At the moment construction idle time stage with serial persons (women, children, and all that's left are excursions ...) who work and are on, but still not good enough. BTW, if anyone has a recommendation for a specific type of wire and reducing capital aim around the sale as the primer.
Overall, I guess I'm hard on three kilos, before food and water, the traveler, American olteraliit and I not extreme traveler, but very aware of the limitations of budget and some of the equipment that you can obtain or order to Israel is somehow okay. New Zealand saw a deer also took 1.6 k shell. And easy case dealing with 6 liters of water iomomi based crashes.
Therefore, the following objectives:
1. eat lighter,
2. camel's genes implanted myself.

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#10 Posted : Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:31:46 AM(UTC)
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In New Zealand I had my prophet after the Himalayas Definitely go with lighter cases there. The Lake also. Now when I bought a new bag into the U.S. Easier. Although the case is still apropt and I don't regret.

As I wrote, I'm not a follower of the guru. I think whoever travels a lot between the need to lose weight on your back. In on budget and equipment available.

About the acetidviot PCT food is much more difficult than in the Israel National Trail (INT) and that AT. And with the right design you don't carry more than five days. Other than this there are Sierras shipments of packages.

Get the kilos. Can you elaborate?

I think that between communities that you stock up you don't eat right and when you get to the community then you hit. That is generally.

I started to use the sale of cooking differently. I'm a little tired of fuel dependence with Pepsi Stube. Make one simple 10 minute job. There are plenty of links to how to make one. It's a shame to buy.

Agree about the behavior. It's a shame that impression remains that people who behave strangely wrong.

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#11 Posted : Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:55:06 AM(UTC)
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When I went in I thought meet in 2004 Appalachian people with equipment and lightweight it was mostly carrying backpacks with equipment failures properly and not 3/4 mat, km easy, plus cuts looks like a lot of people and in the end were few,
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#12 Posted : Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:29:14 AM(UTC)
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I didn't realize that, I thought it was him.

If you take 16 kg including food and water you carry many things or they are very heavy. In years past I travel excursions and desert pod weight does not exceed 11 kg in an extreme case, and usually it does not pass the 9.5 kg.

The Negev has a 20 km trip in a pod:

Water for me and my dog joy (6.5 liter). Tool to slay food for water + flat seating cushion for me, those weighing 400 grams. First aid kit weighs approximately 200 g, 400 g (heavy) together with her case here is 7.5 pounds. The cartridge weighs 1.3 kg (32 liters) and 1.8 kg (45 liters).

In the case of backpack 45 litres total weight without food: 9.5 kg circa. My food weighs a lot but probably not more than three pounds because I'm just a bill if the food light or heavy, be enough. Many fresh fruits and GORP, pita bread with hummus saved and/or etc) and always comes back with some of GORP home. My weight doesn't exceed 11 kg and 1.1 kilos for the dog and a pillow, and the bottom line about 10 kg.

You carry only 3/4 pounds of food. How do you get to 16 kg , what you carry that together reaches 6 kg?

If you have a weight problem in the daytime so long trip set food with water or eat in dinner where you stock up on water. Every settlement there or inimkert container.

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#13 Posted : Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:39:25 PM(UTC)
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I don't travel day, but daily 3D minimum or, sometimes, in very rare occasions of freedom from family and work, 4-5 days in a row. On an average day in the South bracket 25-30 km. hiking daily dialog closed 35 miles a day and my fitness will not. Just when you go easy and fine and normal equipment, it's easy to get a lot. I North pounds daily, including 3-d. Southern daily or more dimensional weight costs exponentially. The problem is-perceptual light adapted to the conditions well here and here. We are unusual in terms of water, which dictates certain changes. A day in the South begins on September 15-16 KB and ends up in the area 10. It's still not enough light.

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#14 Posted : Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:50:19 PM(UTC)
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We are not that unusual in terms of water. From this talk.
If you're North pounds including water so in be with 16 pounds. In the North you take 2 liters? Then South taking 10 per day????

Besides that always or usually sleeping near a water source, then the simplest technique is to just fill yourself lots of water before you go.
For Israel was drinking a quart and a half gallon of water even before I started walking. Better body will be saturated with water than you are.

You don't drink more than 8-9 liters of water in an average day in the desert.

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#15 Posted : Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:52:53 PM(UTC)
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When you write that you start 3D Tour in the Negev on 16 kg, is that include three days ' food and gear

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#16 Posted : Thursday, April 22, 2010 6:48:31 PM(UTC)
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Yes. And water per day. Equipment and cooking utensils (you can eat cold, three days is not a lot, but the low weight and chalia and removed very easy 0.9 litre, I don't think there's a difference between cooking without cooking).
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#17 Posted : Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:25:24 PM(UTC)
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The way to lose weight is to bring food in food where you stock up on water, of course provided that you pass instead. Otherwise you will need to carry food.

I think you are on the line, i.e. to take a pound of food is hardly a simple task in terms of calories and costs.

Was anyone here that dehydrate meat rich in calories, light weight, something South African style, just that one thing that pounds more expensive than the hearty tasty meal including the price.

16 kg for three days including the food for three days is not eouddddddd, gainedwisdom. , although rather less. The heavy bag is yours try something easier there is also affordable. I wonder what you think about Backpack 12 kg in 20 years.

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#18 Posted : Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:45:47 PM(UTC)
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I always recommend to eat hot food, hot filling, let you feel satisfied and reassured. Who has osherk for 1 kg of סכו"ם gasia, pot, won't make any difference, the added value of hot food is worth a lot.
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Ma and friends, you might want to attach to the part of "articles" on long trails training

* Some eye opening for myself.

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