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Y@niv  
#1 Posted : Sunday, September 12, 2010 6:06:03 AM(UTC)
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Hi, I bought equipment to Israel for the ricochet and Haifa and functional with an agreement to return within 14 days with full credit if I am not satisfied with the product as long as it is in the original packaging.
The equipment you bought:
MTB Lev hamifratz, Haifa (gave me a discount 30% for each item you bought on condition that I buy immediately):
Marmut tent that Has original price 1,500 shekels, after the discount of 30% occurred 1,050 chess, weight 2.2 kg including rain cover, 3 m² floor space, space door 1 sqm
Thermarest inflatable mattress price 850 original chess, with a discount of 30% cost 602 chess. Weight 680 g, length 183 cm, width 58 cm thickness 3.8 cm.
Sleeping bag mountain native hardware price 630 chess, with a discount of 30% cost 440 chess. 1.43 kg, dimensions 6 temperature comfort, when folded, 43X20
Walking sticks were 290 Scout chess Masters doubles before discount, discounted per 203
Black Diamond Spot headlamp head volume 60, 289 chess price, 202 chess after a discount of 30%
Ricochet Canyon Haifa (shopping mall):
Aircontact pro doiter bag with 60 + 15 litre, 1,365 shekels, 3.2 kg, with two item $ 100 discount
The La Sportiva shoes that they have very comfortable with vibram and gore-tex-I'm not paying them for the simple reason that used them a couple of days to feel them and erode them a little before the trip. The original price was 860 chess and fell $ 100 discount

It is important to note that whatever bought it after I looked at five other stores in Haifa and Tel Aviv, and then made the purchase.
I would like to receive an answer in the coming days if one of the products not worth so I give Kenya/change other product
If you have ideas on shirts or pants or trip each other equipment I also love to hear
Thanks in advance! Y @ niv 40433.129849537
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איתי  
#2 Posted : Sunday, September 12, 2010 10:55:32 AM(UTC)
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The backpack you bought is really heavy, if you bought it because it was easiest for you understand the options, try to measure the AIRCONTACT, also respect but weighs nearly a pound less.

Don't let the model of mattress and sleeping bag.
Mattresses of THERM-A-REST and the price got him good relative to Earth (but still outrageous compared to the USA), I saw that blmatiil the heart of the Bay are the old model of the PROLITE (orange) at the same price of the new model (in red), as it's not weight the model you bought (and ...) but it could be also in other models.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, September 12, 2010 2:36:56 PM(UTC)
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Regarding the case had less Aircontact. I tried auspryy files too low alpine veterans some of which weighed 2 pounds but were not comfortable to me.
The bouncy mattress buying is indeed orange Prolite4, weight is what it says on the box. Red model not seen there, if there is a serious difference in weight or compactness, I'd like to know.
Sleeping bag from Pinole 2.0 model which I chose because of weight vs. heating, if there's anything better I'm certainly happy to hear.
In addition, I would like to get opinions on the tent, it is most important because of its price. I don't know whether the price is worth the purchase or it's too expensive to tour tent for Israel
Thanks again!
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#4 Posted : Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:06:04 PM(UTC)
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About the PROLITE4 mattress (new model PROLITE PLUS) is four seasons, I think, three seasons model (or the PROLITE PROLITE3) is sufficient for all donations to do and certainly Israel lshbill (unless you decide to go on a hunting trip in winter in North America, Europe or climbing any peaks). I'm not sure there's any difference between the old and new paint detail, but still, never acceptable to sell old equipment (in this case the 2009 models, if I'm not mistaken) for the price of this of course not the case.

About the backpack if it comforts and consideration you are willing to pay for that extra weight, then a successful choice-doiter company, I am a follower of the shells.

The rest of the gear I don't know. 40433.5466666667 with me
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#5 Posted : Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:47:34 PM(UTC)
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When are you going to start? In terms of weather. Relevant to the tent and sack 6 to Neverland for a little excessive. Heavy tarmill. Remember that large backpack filled and will respect. It seems to me that you aren't lightweight backpack.

Flashlight head something huge to me, take a flashlight torch head lamp or just one.

Here the whole list with weights and better treat.

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#6 Posted : Sunday, September 12, 2010 9:59:00 PM(UTC)
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Ma,

The light in question is small and lightweight.
No single pair of hands and Meyer.

Waiting for the full list.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, September 12, 2010 10:29:16 PM(UTC)
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If they only needs Bill Israel was descending from the bouncy mattress and tent, gaining some experience and purchase items after I know a little bit more what I'm looking for.

You may find yourself with a very expensive equipment, but not one that suits your needs.

Good luck..
Y@niv  
#8 Posted : Monday, September 13, 2010 3:40:20 AM(UTC)
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Adekunle-out in early October to late November, consideration of the tent was against mosquitoes, reptiles, sandstorms, rain (even if it only happens once) and humans (cool equipment). Whether you take a tent or not with an answer of Yes to 2 pounds on my back, though more Greece sought of model and price that I heard about great weight 300 tents and they cool completely for Israel.
Consideration of the bag was the desert nights had disassociated themselves from the military very.
About the backpack which is better? The most comfortable backpack found but is heavy or backpack that is likely less in terms of convenience, costs more but is easy?
The flashlight torch head with standard size actually, I personally hate handlamps because it stuck to me that pop more wanted and reference to the model and maybe blacadiamond to know if I should go with Petzel
To me-I didn't realize the difference between red orange mattress, cost the same and if Orange 4 seasons like this is better for winter, for consideration of weight and compactness I definitely replace it.
L. HarmonicWave-whats your point to accumulating experience? If you have equipment that you personally know that it is cheaper for the terrain of Israel I would like to know, for it opened.

On list I have no final list and there it is:
Tent, sleeping bag, mattress pad, walking sticks, flashlight, bag and shoes where I bought some already noted, weigh and how much cost so I don't repeat myself.
-Insert one of The disbanded north face unfinished final push model, price 300 shekels in Ricochet
-Sweat shirt with funkier head band-Israel short sleeve The north face unfinished business on the model name, price 230 chess Ricochet
-Monsoon Villa centrally located Conference there at my home that I bought about a year ago and functional, long pants stick together I did already and was comfortable with. Total 2 pants
-Cotton t-shirt from home due to financial considerations do not buy 2 ndefot sweat
-Heating have brass gatecs of Mountain Gear and brass cap of Snow to Desert the army of Ricochet during my service in the Negev in winter they were. Another pair of gatecs and thermal shirt from the breathing of Desert snow also served me. With minimal weight and very comfortable.
-Brass hat I bought at Ricochet before. And maybe a thin brass jacket. If night heater equipment weighing less worth to spend money on it so please say, currently existing equipment at home.
-Dickhead heard much better than a baseball cap, 100% cotton, its shape resembles a hat b, also already exists at
-Endodontic sandals
-Bag drinking 3 liters of root + 2 liter water bottle + shed
-Navigation: Israel National Trail school 2009 Edition red, topographic maps that split with friends + coordinates to determine meter ITM Vivian atmanot
-Food: a pot with handle, titanium jachnun won't close if necessary or not, lighter, gas burner that already exists in the House of a friend comes with me, refillable plastic סכו"ם (spoon-knife-fork combination), deep dish/Bowl, canned food, can opener Velcro and dish SOAP bottle.
-Hygiene: Tek towel XL towel costs 125 checkmate in Tel Aviv branch and functional, solid detergent designed for washing and laundry too, toothbrush, toothpaste, althosh (full bed), Aloe Vera, wipes, itching cream/talc, tweezers, swimsuit
3 Bridget's Trail type socks costing 109 per pair and functional in Tel Aviv. I have at home a pair of Socks that sock Treck coolman 35 ins and functional surplus and Wildcat were socks pair 40 shekels in the same store I bought just to try on shoes, the socks are hotbeds like the stove legs and I whether to take them for a walk or not?
-Sunglasses
Arnac's inside ID 100 Bill and credit card only.
3 of Delta.
-First aid, and thirdly: band-AIDS, akilk against kompid against itching, warts, 2 bandages, gauze pad, 10 4 toilet paper, trash bags, 3 2 batteries for a flashlight, cell phone charger standard, a needle and thread, safety pins, 10 10 advil or Tylenol pills, calcium tziterit, power energy snack barX2
-Food: unfinished business for this final, so I don't write
Phone list-print of angelic Bill, people who do the landfills and sleep with them.

I'd love to know what to change, add. What expensive, heavy, etc.
In the design of two people who shared with him half in weight with water, landfills and hopefully carry a maximum 2 days in a row, water and food.
Again, I note that among the North till 1.12.10 3.10.10-South
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#9 Posted : Monday, September 13, 2010 11:24:17 AM(UTC)
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My point was that you buy quality equipment, but not necessarily that you need. Does experience is to know why * you * needed a long trip to learn more about your personal preferences, to influence the weight you need.

There's no point (in my opinion) to get a mattress four seasons for. Even an inflatable mattress for someone who starts in the Israel National Trail (INT) wouldn't. Platib cheap, lightweight and does work.

Ditto about the tent camp is not needed such costly in the Israel National Trail (INT) (if you mention other trips abroad).
Kind of strange to me that first bought and now you consult, but rather later:-)

Remember as you begin to bring North every day or two (4 rolls of toilet paper?).
I personally take the bare minimum that you think you need, usually it would be too much, and if not, you can obtain through
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#10 Posted : Monday, September 13, 2010 12:44:06 PM(UTC)
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Yaniv, apparently I wasn't clear enough, you make up your mind between two observations I noted:

The mattress has two models the difference between them is the size (and therefore weight), you get a thicker model (which should be a bit more expensive) intended by the manufacturer to be used 4 seasons.

In addition, in 2009, this mattress made in Orange and called PROLITE3, and today is produced in red has a slightly different shape (I'm not sure but I think it also weighs a little less) and called PROLITE PLUS, PROLITE, and functional (or Eliott importer) remained with the inventory and that old mattress they sell you.
And don't get me wrong, the great Orange models (I have the PROLITE3 and it serves me 5 years).

About what WAVE HARMONIC writing-if you are not experienced in hiking and sure use mattress across the path, I agree and I think Kenya is unnecessary if you have additional excursions so I think you did good Kenya 40434.4126157407 with me
Y@niv  
#11 Posted : Monday, September 13, 2010 2:43:11 PM(UTC)
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For the truly HarmonicWave administer the travel experience I have, I know that the mattress not platib costs a lot of money (even I have at home already) but is not compact, and it requires me to tie him on the case from the outside which is very uncomfortable.
About tent no doubt is hoping someone can tell me the model or type of tent that he personally knows you can get discounted tour otherwise it makes no sense to say repeatedly that he.
Some more trip less than a month so I have quite some time to return to the store and buy a new one but the initial made Kenya a-to wear the shoes in order to try the equipment at home and for return
I read in another post toilet paper you need, I can get 2 and regardless I don't do the trip alone so it's not a problem.
And you're talking minimum glad to know of something specific that stands out that is inappropriate in terms of weight or volume that can interrupt.
-According to what I understand you have two relatively old prolite models type 4 and newer models prolite 3 and this prolite plus/prolite that you purchase. The new shape is not a square but a rhomboid, that affect anything?
Travel website has just prolite3 there the prolite 4 or plus (like you said only with the old).
Thermarest website however there are only two new models in terms of 460 grams in weight 680 g of prolite versus what I purchased I think it better, plus however weighs 680 grams as four and measures is the same and the only difference is the shape and probably the substance is produced, so I don't see any reason to buy it.
The site has the Polite v.i.c. in original price no discount 860 chess so I'd like to know if the higher price is worth the purchase or would I settle for 4 model purchased.
Another question is whether I should buy a kit for repairing mattresses rising 82 chess and weighs 21 grams, heard about flats in new models even mattresses.
Regarding the question of both planning a trip abroad have with the equipment. Still unknown which countries or for how long.
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#12 Posted : Monday, September 13, 2010 5:29:16 PM(UTC)
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I'm not saying you need to go of the new model, but the model 3 seasons (or the PROLITE PROLITE3) is the model that suits you, as he weighs 200 g seen less, try to see if the store where you bought the mattress has one of these models if you can swap three seasons, should be a little cheaper.

In general I would recommend Kenya, but that's another matter.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, September 14, 2010 1:49:56 AM(UTC)
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The mattress and sleeping bag together in buying levels, overkill for. Take miles easier to minus five from minus two, flip up to 1000 g, or quality to 1200 g santtti, saving weight.

A tent until a month and a half. Take a simple tent. Yours expensive. Take the free budget and bought him a tent just easier and better and easier ... kg

Heavy backpack, period. Not more than 2200 g at worst. I hate doiter but it's a personal matter.

The head very well, shoes.

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#14 Posted : Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:54:01 AM(UTC)
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For me I take my attention about the three proliit mattress actually costs 40-50 chess less and weighs 110 grams less. Thanks for the help! About buying in the U.S. is too late because three weeks trip which means sure equipment gets delivered on time and the fact that I'm not specialized in buying through ebay etc, I know for example that there's 800 mattress costs $ 100 chess but it lost already.
To tzurlis thanks for the early criticism, I take her to my attention but what I lack in a comment that is not what's wrong but what good instead. I am at the point that everyone tells me too expensive or too heavy, I'm still waiting to be told for example x great tent like this more or less and is more recommended for.
When I went into these forums I got an impression that part here also the path and all the world, and my expectation was that I get more constructive guidance at the level of giving or a recommended model for
About reverse heard sleeping bag full of humidity absorption negatively review and because I travel the country with high humidity, so I give up.
About the case hasn't figured out what more we recommend heavy but easy or comfortable, but less
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:56:28 AM(UTC)
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About the backpack-try to find a compromise between these two options, sure you shall have comfortable backpack weighs less (and I again disagree with Tsur, a backpack weighing 2.5 kg is okay too, you will have a hard time finding a backpack weighing less than 2.2 without having to make changes, even if they are small).

Try auspryy shells, the shells of their relatively easy and affordable.

About the bag – don't try to find a match and also abroad, simply because they do not experience the same conditions, the bag you bought hot in October, this time can handle a small inexpensive OUTDOOR kg – the MICROLITE or AZTEC, the HELIUM sleeping bags around 6 degrees ה0 (asserted but I wouldn't put money on it) and cost less than $ 300, if you go in to buy a winter suit. 40435.3369675926 with me
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, September 14, 2010 1:43:29 PM(UTC)
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With which changes in a portfolio?
About the auspryy case he really weighs less, but it costs 200 shekels in the cerro torro model and why I consider moving to the second case.
About the shcsh I'd rather have a hot night than to be cold at night and my personal experience in the Negev in November cold just so there's no reason that I athftzl into two sleeping bags differ even if that addition of 300 NIS.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:04:56 PM(UTC)
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Changes in pod-intersection and download tracks and extra parts (for you), I think it is not advisable, mainly because that eliminates the responsibility on the cartridge, even if done professionally.

About the bag – if you start in the South, I'm not sure you need two in October may have in your bag (but that's a personal matter).
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:18:37 PM(UTC)
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