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#1 Posted : Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:43:35 PM(UTC)
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In light of the murder that happened last night to Hyde and Grove murder earlier in the area.
These recommendations are not official but rely on my experience only, where I got to know similar events and theoretical background, bad days. Anyone who wants can rely on this permission only and has no official body that stands behind them. Some relate to minorities, there is no politics in this matter but only safety.

In each area the Israel trail close to the wall, especially in the Jerusalem hills-Tzur Hadassah to etziona, Abadi/blades to Tel Arad junction, it is recommended to travel in pairs.
In these sections:
Must take credible communicators, mobile phone that works all the time, and in quick access within.
You have to take a Basic topic equipment including bandages, dressing one travels too.
-Trip planning must remain clear and detailed, including schedules, with reliable third party.
-Contact us by phone at least 3 times a day, or every 4 hours or so, with that third party and to report progress in the morning, departure/arrival, position, and location.
In an emergency dial immediately 100, not a friend nor close — even if he happens to be the Commander of the rescue unit. Only if no response, other phones.
-If a signal were high.
-Currently, these areas would not advise women to travel alone or in pairs, but in larger group
-All people, even men in groups of up to four in these zones do not recommend bar outside hotel but preferably in or near their communities, within a call gate.
-Travelling alone or in small groups, highly recommended carrying tear gas and siren personal, at least. Preferably also a walking stick, at least, as a safeguard. There is no room for Commando knives etc (...), but the blade will be in range, even if it is a little vizeri Yep.
-In case of suspicious people and, especially minorities in a group of two or three to get away from them, not to start a conversation and make contact.
And most importantly, common sense and judgment, as expected from all. Although the pattern of the last classic case for abduction and murder on the old Omni, and despite the relative proximity to the villages of Jaba and Surif, both with the venerable artists (from the incident and how ...) on the one hand not all looks Western way is a suspect, on the other hand, there is no guarantee that these murders were caused by Arabs. As bdho and hashdho, until you're sure. Tzurlis 40531.4072222222
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#2 Posted : Sunday, December 19, 2010 1:07:35 PM(UTC)
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I don't like the message. Events of this kind can happen anywhere on the path, not just near the fence. There are potential killers anywhere in the country, Jews and Gentiles.

You also write that there is no guarantee that these murders were caused by minorities. Also unsolved this murder while it is not known who the killer is.

Last night said it could be criminal. If there are facts today except the bum's story

And men are immune against murder? Too bad you didn't write about תרפ"ט events, and the attack on Tel Hai. It was further strengthened the need for safety instructions.

Also on the banks of the river trip is safe and the evidence of the murder a year ago at hayarkon Park. Why then didn't write " temporarysafety instructions" on your behalf?

Your post is very politically, don't hide behind it is safety. Put a message without proper consideration.

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#3 Posted : Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:47:49 PM(UTC)
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Unfortunately I think you are right and your message with appropriate discretion. Don't put her down was a mistake in judgment.

Hopefully it will be the last.

Assaf

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#4 Posted : Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:13:02 PM(UTC)
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I think that the message of the blockade, and has quite a few according to taste, whether done here murder on nationalistic background, criminal or romantic. There's a snapshot and create is an expert in survival in the field, shows possible ways to deal with dangers lurking in areas prone to calamity.

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#5 Posted : Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:44:04 PM(UTC)
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Agree with most of the writers.

The SIFO of create is there to watch. Doesn't really matter who or what. Anyway no point lies in your head in the ground and say wasn't Molly.

Yankele yourself wrote about a Wadi Qelt. What's the difference? The two murdered people place. In both places, people continue to travel. In both places should be careful. Don't panic, but be careful.

Even if 10-cancel a trip, but one saved our you-did.

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#6 Posted : Monday, December 20, 2010 1:06:36 PM(UTC)
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Not convinced about the careful instructions they are free of political considerations. Why not create such a publisher who murdered a man in Park hayarkon- And what about the convoy?

Should watch it and I agree with mark.

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#7 Posted : Monday, December 20, 2010 2:10:42 PM(UTC)
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Safety recommendations are mandatory everywhere and only natural that after killing event (such a backdrop or otherwise) are posted and sharpened, after all it is for the benefit and pleasure.

A Jew who was close to me and was killed in the attack at the time said moment during Israel walking upright with head held high and with closed eyes, and walk everywhere and every situation but I don't think anyone (rapist, a serial killer or rope) to catch you unprepared.

To live in perpetual paranoia but don't let 16-year-old kid to hit you on the way.

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#8 Posted : Monday, December 20, 2010 2:32:41 PM(UTC)
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יענקל'ה notice that you always, always, a popup event at the Omni, so to speak.

I don't know what your motives are. I can only guess.

And the body of matter; Hiking with the rural areas surrounding and minorities (6260320-Zarqa, for example) would have felt very uncomfortable. Even in you Forum was an unpleasant story of a grandfather walking with his grandchildren in guy and having a hostile attitude on the part of.

Obvious dangers everywhere; But from my experience in many related events, trips to the island, were in the regions.

Wishing for safe travel.

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#9 Posted : Monday, December 20, 2010 3:34:22 PM(UTC)
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We need to be covert careful that when we write: "were that energy." It is the only personal impression. If there were certain cases of problems with security or personal safety came to my attention or we all publish immediately and checking what happened.

The attzim lack of understanding leads to a conclusion of malaise, not gloomy face solemn tmiachd means I'm taking a knife and stabbing.

Regarding your comments on responses to the Members Forum-here we have freedom of expression, allowed anyone to express themselves at any moment and in any subject as long as there's an insult or offense any of Forum members.

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#10 Posted : Monday, December 20, 2010 5:52:43 PM(UTC)
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See dear friends,

We all subconsciously do not wrap onto political topics that what unites us is the love of the Earth, each in his own way. Saba travel complained of hostile treatment in Jacksonville, a young daughter when she went up for throwing stones at Mashad (they had three sons and a daughter), at the entrance to ein Mahal last spring throwing stones on promenades in the Negev Bedouins steal left and everything that moves in for more than two hours for the unknown persons stole a backpack two promenades, want more examples? I know most of them.

The announcement of the blockade is political. Nobody will convince me that this isn't so. If create was put it differently I accept his comments literally. Whoever connects this murder and the painted colors of the political message.

Safety and security always essential regardless to one or the other.

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#11 Posted : Monday, December 20, 2010 8:37:22 PM(UTC)
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I summarize יענקל'ה before starting to surf places are unfortunately beyond ahavat Eretz Israel.

If you see a political answer it create it says too much about what you might be looking for to see them.

To risks, it is recommended that all aspects of each travel to obtain reasonable measures for safety and peace of all.

In prayer and hope for peaceful days and rainy winter!!

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#12 Posted : Monday, December 20, 2010 8:38:40 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = tzurlis]

Here is another version of:

In light of the murder that happened last night to Hyde and Grove murder earlier in the area.
These recommendations are not official but rely on my experience only, where I got to know similar events and theoretical background, bad days. Anyone who wants can rely on this permission only and has no official body that stands behind them.

In each area the Israel trail close to the wall, especially in the Jerusalem hills-Tzur Hadassah to etziona, Abadi/blades to Tel Arad junction, it is recommended to travel in pairs.
In these sections:
Must take credible communicators, mobile phone that works all the time, and in quick access within.
You have to take a Basic topic equipment including bandages, dressing one travels too.
-Trip planning must remain clear and detailed, including schedules, with reliable third party.
-Contact us by phone at least 3 times a day, or every 4 hours or so, with that third party and to report progress in the morning, departure/arrival, position, and location.
In an emergency dial immediately 100, not a friend nor close — even if he happens to be the Commander of the rescue unit. Only if no response, other phones.
-If a signal were high.
-Currently, these areas would not advise women to travel alone or in pairs, but in larger group
-All people, even men in groups of up to four in these zones do not recommend bar outside hotel but preferably in or near their communities, within a call gate.
-Travelling alone or in small groups, highly recommended carrying tear gas and siren personal, at least. Preferably also a walking stick, at least, as a safeguard. There is no room for Commando knives etc (...), but the blade will be in range, even if it is a little vizeri Yep.
-In case of suspicious people and generally steer clear of them, not to start a conversation and make contact.
And most importantly, common sense and judgment, as expected from all. Every person, as bdho and hashdho, until you're sure.

the message above refresh of caution here.  Create select rephrase.

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#13 Posted : Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:55:08 AM(UTC)
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What's wrong with a little politics? What is Mars? At the end of all mountains here.

As long as it doesn't become a general hatbhamot and curses and blackening, poltica isn't harmful. Right, so we should discuss things even if politics.

And I know there's some guys with a finger on the keyboard, and if anything would be too extreme ... Hop. And it disappears.

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#14 Posted : Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:50:30 AM(UTC)
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Here is an email I received from a guy in Seattle about age, walking the path in spring 2008 and plan to come back here with us in winter 2011 and walk the path. We're making news anywhere in the world, not just the fire:

Jacob >.
>
> A sad month for the int.
>
> My town is in the midst of huge forests and there are fires all up and down
> The west coast every summer.  From year to year we will loose a few fire
> Fighters but rarely do we loose civilians.  My heart goes out to the men and
> Women who were trapped on the bus.  From the videos I have seen that fire
> Was a nasty piece of work.  It did my heart good to watch the fire retardant
> Fall from the Boeing 747 onto the fire.  The fact that we have such a plane
> In the States should give you an idea of what our fires are like.
>
> And now there is the senseless death of woman day hiker.  I have no
> Patience for those who prey on the weaker.  I hope those killers are found
> And brought swiftly to justice.
>
> We too have had murders — also known as hiking trails on our.  Some have been robberies, some
> Have been around "deals gone bad and a couple have been by functional
> Psychotics.  This reinforces my belief that killing it is not the wild we
> Have to fear when we hike but we need to be careful when near civilization.

>
> Matt

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#15 Posted : Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:18:19 PM(UTC)
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In my response wasn't absolutely questioning freedom of speech in this forum nor intention to comment on political tendencies.

Wishing for safe travel.

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#16 Posted : Tuesday, December 21, 2010 5:56:44 PM(UTC)
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So if the mother tendencies spent suggests, sexual

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#17 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 2:03:18 AM(UTC)
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Apparently, another first.
Http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4002258, 00.html
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 4:20:49 PM(UTC)
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I think the discussion is, perhaps lock the thread.

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#19 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 1:05:44 AM(UTC)
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Why lock? Finally gets interesting here.

Nothing like a little politics to load the batteries dry in winter. From getting dry short lobes.

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#20 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 2:28:33 AM(UTC)
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A few things I wanted to comment.

1. some talked about "unpleasant sensations in Jisr Zarqa" and other such places. I want to give an example of why sometimes we interpret things according to trends and sometimes wrong in this interpretation.

I worked with two others in Tel Aviv and went to buy some food for lunch. We arrived at the abulafia on the promenade and bought a few items. On the way back the other argued that sellers hate Jews and asked me, "did you see his face?" Anyway, the next day I went back and bought doughnuts. It sells. And he said "you bought here yesterday with two friends, right? And then you bought it in a burrito "cardamom smiles and good-natured.
Sometimes our prejudices misinterpret other people. It is human weakness and should just be aware of that and not working.

2. murder on the road is terrible, but I don't think we need to think Ben is up to minorities. There are good and bad people everywhere, and if two thugs decide to stab two women traveling alone, no matter what the reasons. Are criminals where they belong in jail for life. And I'm sure all would agree with Arab and Jew.

3. something really bothers me also conduct of journalism and of the common man about the murders and categorize cases.
When it comes to what a psychopath or a criminal, they all rejoined one another shaking their heads in sorrow, mumbling "tragedy" and move on.
They felt pangs of minorities, straight murder becomes nationalistic background, ל"בעל drops down to be" e "(i.e. martyr, martyr) and relation to murdered becomes much more personal and angry.
When people shniratacho in left and I only remember tzktzoki tongue and head cocked. Is there anything in this country that is related to the murder of nationalistic as far more a big deal a "normal" if it hit, a drug deal, hands of a maniac or psycho or money matters, inheritance, etc.
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