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#61 Posted : Sunday, January 16, 2011 12:45:33 AM(UTC)
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Hello went

I think I recognize the quote.

Good to see you on the Forum

I'm trying to recover, returned home three days ago.

The body of the record, indeed. I think that we aim to leave nature to rest the questions that nature know.

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#62 Posted : Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:49:24 AM(UTC)
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Mark's question: what do we call the Yarkon Park breakfast? Answer: a walk in the Park.

The course of Hebrew: passing information on transferring water from under the highway 38 to destroyed nature protection  I hope they will soon change the essential little so.

The guy Ziv: I don't think we can cheat nature. While "tolerable fraud" (by nature) that passes quietly. Once while intolerable nature are punished.

And something else in the concatenating assignment requires: yesterday I was at the concert in Augusta Victoria, which is two meters out for Jerusalem on Mount Scopus. The appearance of lookout Halbert towards Judean was overwhelming, and in the opposite direction towards the new town and the old lookout Glick. It was really exciting.

Who hasn't made the Jerusalem journey (trip) recommended!

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#63 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:04:49 PM(UTC)
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Hello to everyone!
I don't often visit this forum but I think some of you know me from here.
I can't respond to this thread (after reading the whole thing ...).
Here are some things that require those planning to go in July and August in the desert:
1. to be able to provide for himself about 10-11 liters of water per day! (And it's not an exaggeration here talk about 6 liters of sweat loss during the day. a day walk in the desert, the average person can get lost in 12 litre from experience!). Must drink 7-9 liters during the day and complete the iithera night.
2. to be able to plan hundreds meters level exactly where to be. If no prior acquaintance with the track it means learning to predict by the type of rock hardness and channel Greece depending on the times during which you expect to arrive. Every mistake in planning this case (or failure) will bring you in most serious predicament. Easily comes to death!
3. to be able to stay in the shade about 7 hours. Discarded here numbers of 4 hours. Conclusive-I think less, not enough travel in the summer in the desert.
4. level of 100% is required. Shadow of a tree.
5. to be able to change course and go night navigation bar character space to find a signal in case of distress. And it also says to know where or no signal.
6. be aware of your body at a level that is difficult to explain in words. Want to know exactly what is the point where you need to stop before I feel no good. If you've reached a situation that you don't feel good, you're in trouble.


Listen, my problem with this forum (and forgive me Ma ...) is that most writers see him walking on the path as the heroic thing there is.
Accumulating experience along the trail? What are you guys talking about??
Some experience already earn a monthly walk out a little and fitness programs? You want me to try to count a couple of bilists that have been going on for more than a month rescued in the rescue unit that volunteered? Rescues caused a lack of NET experience? I don't have enough fingers for that.

I searched all the thread that people who actually write from experience. Not found! (Maybe except create ...). How do you exactly know to give advice if you haven't tried
Allow-how it's not talking Palm There are roads, people, water resources, and more.

As one who travels quite a bit in the summer in the desert is real (number of days from mitzpe Ramon-Eilat area, mountain, West, etc) I can tell you it can be therefore dooch here. But at the same time is very difficult and very dangerous if you are not very experienced. Walk of the month on the trail is "stopped" the experience level required for it to be sure.

I'm sorry if I sound "condescending" but it's true. It seems that most people don't really know what they're talking about. And I think it is appropriate to write those things for people to see this thread in the future.

Recently I traveled alone on the Prairie near Eilat the day Max (the end of the summer) as part of the preparation for any trip that guidance. I planned to get my car to 11 at the latest (the vehicle parked in a space of not more than 2 miles from the track). Towards the end of the track temperature climbed sharply and even though I had enough water wasn't warned. Shadow course wasn't found and although I was a fifteen minutes walk to the car I realized that I could get my body to an extreme situation. (At this point I felt good, but more the first signs have already appeared: permanent pulse even at rest, and a banging on the back of the head, not speaking of conscious effort ...).
The quarter this time it took me almost an hour to do because every 5 minutes walk from profiling to be used to lower the body temperature. I took that chance that I had water and I was very close to the car. And it was borderline. Who of you would know how to handle this situation of lack of shade in the middle of the desert without water limited, etc. A problem!

I think my message is clear. Who to ask here in the Forum if he should do for the summer-not bright enough to answer his question would be Yes. If he had experienced enough he wasn't asking.

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#64 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:33:19 PM(UTC)
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So I read. "Arrogant"? I have a better fit, but leave

As someone with experience, the example is not something ... I wonder what this experience. I would expect that it won't happento you . Profile be used? Why not pour water on the body, clothes What a profile used for?

Rescues-not enough? A good surprise. When I started reading I thought it over the centuries. To remind everyone that happens at the beach, at work, in the military and football games.

Already said the discussion here, but if anyone decides to add then newspeak.

Profile to be used. Sorry for the blatant!!!

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#65 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:48:21 PM(UTC)
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Mark, I have a feeling you're inclined to take my response to personal places instead of trying to see the content.
Sun profile says you're significantly reduces the surface area of the body that is exposed to direct sunlight is assuring good to warm you when. Profile topic is marginal, the important thing is that I stopped to your hands the body temperature where there is shade. This profile be used to decrease the time stipulated in the radiation.
Pour water over the clothes right solution is a condition in which the body temperature is already beginning to climb. When you still don't like this (albeit way) you better watch your drinking water.
In addition it seems misunderstood the example I gave. The walk is an example of how things can get complicated when all sterile, too: 15 minutes out, enough water, Willow close enough to see it (and hear the cars), short track, no ... The example was to show what happens to the body when shnalatim go. Even a few minutes!

The ability to design 100% accuracy where will shadow quality is nil. And suppose you can plan, what happens if for some reason she couldn't reach him? Governor Barbour or sprain. And no signal. And the car will not close. And you have an excess of water. And you, and will not accept correct decisions in such a situation, and ... And ... And ...
In short, as I said-a problem!!!

It looks like you're a wise man, so in the context of the experience-which is better: to insist it's safe to go out in the desert also didn't do it Or to recommend no later than this little accumulated experience

Honestly answer: did you ever go on a day maximum (over 40 degrees in the shade) in the middle of the desert a few days with a big bag in the area without a signal or knew where waiting shadow quality- Iontanmcepa 40569.7071180556
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I apologized in advance for blunt. It's probably not.

Already wrote before that I wouldn't recommend, but possible.

I wrote and I stress this again-required plan. That doesn't mean that you should go.

I went out in the desert at around 40, with equipment, but no more than three days. It wasn't much fun. By the way-way, and it wasn't much fun. Some people enjoy doing. It doesn't seem like much fun, but I make sure to exercise three times a week. And his troubles.

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#67 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:59:02 PM(UTC)
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How you always seem to show up at the right time?
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#68 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:05:53 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = mark]


I went out in the desert at around 40, with equipment, but no more than three days. It wasn't much fun.



If I'm not mistaken it was redundant on the Tamar. How tall?
If you get stuck, how long does it take to get to you? Signal?

Like I said before, this is not an example represents the summer trail walk in the desert. Suppose you're stuck between farm Creek crater Or the mountain. Or Eilat mountains. Very different from Arad!
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That was averted and Taba. It was in. And still had about 40 degrees.

Redundant thing was.

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#70 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:14:55 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = mark]

That was averted and Taba. It was in. And still had about 40 degrees.



Uki. So did you.
I didn't claim that you recommend but you claim it's safe. And it's possible. Of course it's possible, and I can say from experience that even. And I also see do it again in the future.
But the discussion here is not about whether it is possible or not, but about the degree of responsibility who writes messages in this forum, what can be the consequences of this
I say again: my, who asks such a forum is it recommended, possible, I don't have enough experience to do it. Any comment that could lead him to embark on such an adventure is irresponsible!
Those who know how to travel in the summer in the desert safely at 100%, don't ask such a question in the Forum!
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#71 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:32:31 PM(UTC)
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The last dialogue here seems a bit surreal.
Correct me if I didn't understand something, but it's an argument between John claims that certain cases with certain people and very experienced walk in the desert in the summer can be safe and fun times, and mark (and others) who claims that certain cases with certain people and very experienced walk in the desert in the summer can be experienced and sometimes.
I'm sure, I like to argue, but even for me this debate seems a little strange.
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#72 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:42:50 PM(UTC)
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(But because I like to see Add multiple experiences: he sometimes. Personally I can say I have a lot of experience in walking distances [in Israel and not in extreme heat conditions], which causes me to sometimes excessive self-confidence and nonsense. A person who has done the same thing for years inclined ל"הנעל" shaped his behavior, be sure this is the right way, and find it difficult to be flexible and to learn from others. This is true of everything not just walk.

The fact that someone is willing to ask such a question in the Forum indicates he wants and is willing to learn from others, and that's a matter for him, not obligation. You have to accrue experience somehow. Experience in terms of gaining heat by ... Walk in the heat.
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#73 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:43:00 PM(UTC)
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Ronnie, you kill me! Your comment obviously raises a big smile.
But I order:
1. I say absolutely forbidden to write in the Forum it should. Aprshi- Somehow you have to add the conditions to do it. To whoever reads it will understand grasp. Or not ...-(but then he probably wasn't asking.)
2. you and others say it's not so complicated and a month in the North enough to gain the experience necessary to do it safely (see the conditions I wrote a few posts).

Here's the problem! Apparently standards and yours "what needs to be done and for this to be different".
It is not measured by your chances to succeed. It is whether you can get any unscheduled problems! And summer very small safety zone to zero.

And that was just being clever-me vs. smartest. But not smart and clever?

[-Clever explanation can emerge from situations that wise came to them, but if you already entered at least better be smart]
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#74 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:48:17 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = Ronnie] Brown terms of experience earn by ... Walk in the heat.


Not accurate. Your experience throughout years of walking (including according to experience) earned in safety conditions, will improve your chances to survive if you are in extreme conditions.

A soldier trained to fight as soon as he knew how to function correctly. Then gain combat experience and make a glorious Warrior. I wouldn't throw a rookie with a week get into the battlefield!

And last month the North provides the required experience to walk in extreme desert conditions! (Sight-most extracted camping finish their trip in the first week of the desert.)
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What a relief. For a moment I feared and or agree with me all the time of the debate.

The problem with all the glorious Warriors is excessive self-confidence. I should remind all illustrious generals of the six day war the concept of dwalko is fine then ו"תסמכו we received in advance of Yom Kippur?   Excess confidence kills.
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You don't drag me into your irrational need to oochoachim.
So I say the self-confidence issue I agree with you!
(And I hope to be alive to tell about my experiences in the future.)

On the issue of whether or not recommendations for hiking in the summer, I think I explained my position perfectly clear!
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Jonathan:
"I say absolutely forbidden to write in the Forum it should."

Who should make Israel trail in August?
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#78 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:27:54 PM(UTC)
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For example:
[QUOTE = Ronnie] for I think if Miguel really determined, he should try to start in the North in summer, the area is relatively cool and find himself if he likes it, and feel safe in these conditions and ready to move south.

And it is written:
[QUOTE = Ronnie] as long as you're armed with enough water and know how to get to the close in the event of a problem, I don't think it's dangerous.


All the initial conduct of the thread was along the lines of "don't rule it out," If you can't go in the future.
And conditions (as for example quoted above) far from sufficient ality.
Ronnie, how long walk it off. Say the head of River Road farm cracks. Or head River oedipoda? Or a river?
Are you really can't imagine a situation where someone say twists an uphill leg mount Yahav, or under Mount cockscomb, stuck without a shadow for a few hours without water and are often booked out?
Have you ever tried to sit in the Sun on a hot desert more than 15 minutes in the middle of the afternoon?
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I think even those who wanted to go have already quit because fears lest eaten here.

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#80 Posted : Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:09:53 AM(UTC)
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