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זמי1  
#1 Posted : Thursday, February 3, 2011 4:28:00 PM(UTC)
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On the last trip I ran into the problem of condensation in my tent, skoolle of terptant. I have nothing to complain about because we were two, although tent was very fan had condensation.

I asked Henry Hare and he suggested me to use the bag, bivi cover he referred me to other links to Lightweight bivi. my concern is that avioi will leave any moisture emitted from the body of the bag and basically wet the inside bag although fabric bivi's breathing. What is your opinion?

Another advantage is to add insulation to cold night bag, isn't it?

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#2 Posted : Thursday, February 3, 2011 4:37:04 PM(UTC)
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I think he offered the bivi to save the dry sack, not to prevent thickening.

If I'm wrong, I don't really understand how this bivi is supposed to help prevent condensation.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, February 3, 2011 4:44:54 PM(UTC)
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The top cover. Bivi's website stated that he intended also for use at type lahaul. זמי1 40577.5732175926
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#4 Posted : Thursday, February 3, 2011 4:45:21 PM(UTC)
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Shcsh dielectric cause the shcsh soak your body. Don't do this.

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#5 Posted : Thursday, February 3, 2011 6:30:39 PM(UTC)
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But he breathes (and snoring)
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#6 Posted : Thursday, February 3, 2011 6:40:10 PM(UTC)
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To prevent condensation is completely impossible, it's a matter of physics. As soon as the temperature at night drops below a certain temperature (called the dew point) the humidity rises above 100% and then it condenses on anything, for example at of tenet. In this situation even ventilation won't help, because you are replacing the air saturated with the air saturated with another.
What you can do in this situation is avoid most sensitive equipment, sack, lhartb more than necessary. And do it by your shcsh cover material lightweight and waterproof, such as big plastic bag. So the steam will despise from outside the bag, and the fall of atarp land on the bag.   As as stag mbon then said your body will despise the steam inside the bag, but from experience in cases like the trip we were, it's still better than no coverage at all. (It also depends greatly on how much you're sweating during the night, which is extremely variable from person to person). Of course you can avoid this problem entirely by using a makeshift steam blocker (like liner) that put you inside the bag, for example. A plastic bag. But you probably know about the discomfort that most people feel inside liner.

The accompanying breathing may reduce your amount of condensation inside, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't avoid it completely, because the water vapor will despise the biovi yet. And it's not worth the extra weight.

Nothing can be done. There are cases where the equipment is going to get wet at night.
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#7 Posted : Friday, February 4, 2011 2:40:35 AM(UTC)
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A plastic bag? I haven't heard such a thing not seen, especially not in the Judean desert.

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#8 Posted : Saturday, February 5, 2011 3:52:03 AM(UTC)
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Ronnie, what happens in a situation like this bag is reverse slowing down water from above?
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#9 Posted : Saturday, February 5, 2011 12:38:10 PM(UTC)
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Create my friend, look at photos from the trip and see maybe Ronnie with his suite instead of a tent, sleeping in the rain near the Masada without tent with nylons, perhaps the simplest solution and is the best sometimes.

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#10 Posted : Saturday, February 5, 2011 5:21:40 PM(UTC)
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Agree that sometimes it's best.
Such solutions are born out of necessity in the field.
If they work.
I noticed that levy costs about 280$ and honestly with all worship and adoration to equipment and technology, when I think of to spend that amount for this particular item-nylon much cheaper.
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#11 Posted : Saturday, February 5, 2011 7:34:40 PM(UTC)
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The second 45 cost bivi
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#12 Posted : Sunday, February 6, 2011 2:37:19 AM(UTC)
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In that case, get wet, but less. The amount of thickening of the sack if you cover it with a garbage bag or less fixed and depends mainly on how individual you sweating during the night. Therefore, normal night, don't use the bag on the bag. On the other hand very humid nights with PHN can be definitely should use a bag, especially at night with fog (composed actually tiny water droplets too small to become raindrops), definitely use a garbage bag. One foggy night, especially on the Appalachian spring, the bag can absorb up to amounts hundreds of rain g In the land of mist, often less, but still ... Fabric of modern Mon helpers kg (especially if you are new, I read somewhere that fabric like Gore-Tex lose their breath on exposure to dust and dirt). But I've never seen shcsh made of opaque fabric totally water only water-repellent fabrics (and breathe). Which means they're still going, just to a lesser degree water.

These conditions are the reason that I don't use in the sack. Even as the apalch that enable effective in 99% kg nights and more, but if you get enough for one night out of the century in which the wet bag, and it can be a miserable night, followed by a run to the dryer. For me (which is not true for everyone) that one night worth the extra weight synthetic bag that is also cheaper, and saves me the moral dilemma is whether or not (I read recently that enable lightening goose alive in a very painful process, so that they ל"קצור them" feathers again a few times, don't know how it make good quality bag).
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#13 Posted : Sunday, February 6, 2011 2:46:51 AM(UTC)
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As for plastic bags. They really work great, especially as emergency equipment in the area not supposed to rain down (eg.). Instead I'd expect rain I wouldn't rely on them, but on the other hand places with rain are almost always lined spaces where I can hang my hammock and forget about the troubles of the creatures.

Cheap plastic bags weighing not much accessibility, don't take a large volume when they are new and are useful to many things. And best of all, they are completely opaque, as opposed to a silnilon permeable to water, especially after a few months of use. (You can see this by making a "plastic" bag seal by hand and put water in it in a few minutes you will see condensation on the other side in nylon bags.)

Another product which I learned to prefer the cheap and just over the precious water bottles/kmalevk plain over a Platypus tend to start to drip without warning.
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#14 Posted : Sunday, February 6, 2011 5:49:17 PM(UTC)
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Anyone know how to explain why the tent three seasons with rain no problem of condensation? And I'm talking about tents with a space between the chain and canopy cover spread over

Last night we camped in the rain and humidity felt wet seal cover on the outside because of the rain and the inside because of the thickening but no water dripped into the tent.

Whether such a structure solves the problem?

Ofer.

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#15 Posted : Sunday, February 6, 2011 6:21:09 PM(UTC)
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The structure of "double wall" as your tent certainly helps, though he avoids contact with the outer wall (on which condensation drops) but also because double wall especially in tent three seasons raises the temperature inside the tent to ten degrees (depending on tent), and the President of the fitness. In this case the tthava moisture on the outside of the tent is colder. Another thing you should consider is the number of people in the tent. Two people double the amount of humidity emitted during the night sweating and breathing.   The penalty in case of double walled tent, is of course, which may be double and more terptant.
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#16 Posted : Sunday, February 6, 2011 7:04:00 PM(UTC)
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The solution – what I wrote in the first post, far up another retirement at sheet over terptant tent.
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#17 Posted : Sunday, February 6, 2011 8:21:27 PM(UTC)
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Still like this be condensation from the inside because the water vapor cannot get to the outer wall. Wall tent with dual internal wall made of a grid so that fumes coming out through the outer wall.


Mention the use of large rubber bags?
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#18 Posted : Sunday, February 6, 2011 9:35:53 PM(UTC)
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I purchased from another curtain tarptent hanging inside the tent that is supposed to prevent irtvot the bag after use I will log the results

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#19 Posted : Sunday, February 6, 2011 10:09:57 PM(UTC)
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Baruch,
Which tent? MOMENT?
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#20 Posted : Monday, February 7, 2011 12:05:23 AM(UTC)
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Now, terptant? Henry Hare didn't mention such a product, have a photo?

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