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רוני  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, April 13, 2011 4:28:28 PM(UTC)
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I now run two Forum members planning correspond to touring mount karkom Mt/Arif on Passover. The area, South of Ramon crater and reaches a height of approximately 600-1000 yards. Most of space to fire most of the week but on Chol hamoed will be open for tours and even bounces water in some places by authority inspectors (Mount Arif, crocus, and there seems to be water wells encouraged). This makes the trip in a remote area and this very unique.

Right now it seems that the two are planning a trip one (shine pleasantness, etc.) from encouraging mount karkom (or flip) 22 or 23rd until 25th i.e. Mon including planning II (me/encourage) is 20 to 23 or 24 to and from Mount karkom Canyon Road near prisms in the Ramon crater and perhaps even from the mitzpe Ramon himself.

If I misunderstood both the various planning arising from different time constraints, and both have 8 people total.

In addition to the problem of two parallel planning (not entirely sure who runs each) has quite a large logistic problem upon arrival for fast crocus. The night there is some ten kilometers from 4 way patrols and prices I heard so far from springing for civilian planners who Ramon is talking about at least 200 per person, which is over my budget and some of the others.    From what I understand there maybe an option to walk ten miles to road and then find a cheaper ride to the Observatory, or trying to find rides fast crocus, when according to monitor any chance at Passover "not bad to hitch a ride out. In the worst case, delayed a few hours/one more night on Mt. karkom, there at our tracker, so that's not a problem. "   About getting the other way seems a little logistics simpler and cheaper.
To add to the headache we have cell phone reception only points that control the area.

Another thing I have to add is that it is d, and if indeed it is a total eight people planning to leave around 4 days with relatively much (even if we have information about the waters have some spare water for safety reasons), there is a great chance to experience such a large group was forced to split due to injury/fitness etc. So perhaps in advance to plan your trip in smaller groups.


Anyway to do the trip trip participants, let anyone who wants to write out the date he can travel, how he comes to mitzpe Ramon (transport/vehicle), whether it has 4WD or not is and how many people he can get the car from where and to where. How much he is willing to pay for the ride, and any other information you think is relevant.
I will start:

Rooney: I want to leave and return any date from the 19th. Flexible trip lengths (up to five days).   Arrives and depends on public transportation from Dallas, didn't want the total capzzot budget cost well over $ 100 (excluding public transport cost), so who wants to build on rides from Mount karkom.

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, April 13, 2011 4:47:39 PM(UTC)
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I can go for a walk between 23-25, and even come with a car (not an SUV).
I can get at 22. But I'm not going to take days off from work for 20-21. On 40646.575474537
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, April 13, 2011 5:48:49 PM(UTC)
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I can between 20-25 but prefer to go at 20.4.

I think better to begin in Har karkom (or road) and then proceed in the direction of mitzpe Ramon is two reasons:
1) absorption problems in orbit cause difficulty to get bouncing ride back case/stuck on the ground for some reason.
2) in case you want to depend on the bouncing so Max goes on to Mitzpeh Ramon, foot wells.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, April 13, 2011 5:51:57 PM(UTC)
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This holiday won't be able to join.

Anyway when you are planning to either way, Highway 10 that requires approval by the IDF to move it will be maybe at ease.

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#5 Posted : Wednesday, April 13, 2011 6:40:25 PM(UTC)
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At I think is supposed to be open to civilian movement.

Ronnie.
1. uneven absorption throughout the track, don't see a particular direction priority.
2. true, although a reporter you also aims to lift mount karkom budgetary reasons. How does it start?.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, April 13, 2011 7:34:50 PM(UTC)
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Now that I think about it, if you leave the car and walk towards mount karkom so towards the end not everyone have to hitch a ride just then other drivers Meanwhile advanced toward the road.
The odds grow very much in this case.

And it costs much less to travel alone and that other than Observatory to use the bouncing.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, April 13, 2011 8:19:24 PM(UTC)
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In response to the announcement of Rooney-Pesach Forum members-if true and members of the Forum are planning trips, it should have brought a lot of knowledge.

Introduced a trip planning Forum 4 on 6, 7 May. Hope the closeness between the trips will not prevent implementation.

Good luck to whoever the Organizer.

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#8 Posted : Wednesday, April 13, 2011 9:23:20 PM(UTC)
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Roni and publish.
I preferred to form on the track and dates and then invite other members of the Forum.

Don't think this mind trip trip Forum 4.

Ellie crocus-note that it expects at least an hour away to Greece in my estimation. HarmonicWave 40646.7668865741
oded  
#9 Posted : Thursday, April 14, 2011 2:15:11 AM(UTC)
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Hey Ma
The tiotelim raised spontaneously with two different teams following the opening post Nati (Guy) to save on parking.

No one is going to create something of course and if it sounds exclusive so I guess the organizers wouldn't hurt.
It's just a plant while planning ...

About our ideas,
I think the taxi route 10 is a very good micepa you can download. I still think it's better to start micepa and saffron. Walking the road shouldn't be a problem, if you determine in principle with a taxi.

Port and maritime logistics-between 20 and 25 and prefer to go in 21 (and earn a day's work).
The trail takes about four days harem beams with Thursday, and optional. Water has on Mount Arif (in advance with the wave is a great writing and I really want to thank him over and beyond the welcome initiative to provide water for hikers on Mount as wild sea on Passover and Sukkot) and overnight parking crocus (of ר"טג).
The first night there as water wells seemed encouraged but Pelter and cleanse with chlorine.

In my opinion-micepa taxi/finish departure point on route 171 is a bad idea.
A taxi ride from route 10 in the start/finish is also an idea that costs iosill (get if we have the 4 c).

I would like to invite any member or casual Forum to Forum to join us even if we downloaded, fragmenting, breaking away, to help each other regarding the logistics capzzot.

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#10 Posted : Thursday, April 14, 2011 2:40:44 AM(UTC)
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Taxis mount karkom should investigate whether they are prepared, costs. Not sure if it's so cheap (I estimate at least an hour away to Greece).

How do root beginning from the Observatory and a crater gorged mfar and to encourage wells? Saves transportation, shorter, and differs from the first Forum.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, April 14, 2011 10:03:46 AM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = HarmonicWave]
Taxis mount karkom should investigate whether they are prepared, costs. Not sure if it's so cheap (I estimate at least an hour away to Greece).

How do root beginning from the Observatory and a crater gorged mfar and to encourage wells? Saves transportation, shorter, and differs from the first Forum.


Checked and taxi up to 4 people get around 450 NIS Road opposite Observatory mount karkom which sounds much more reasonable or more requiring over 1000 for 6-7 people up the mountain.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, April 14, 2011 6:15:01 PM(UTC)
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Me, I think you're right.
Yair-in my opinion this day UCH and challenging. Especially the first day. If the walk for two days, or a longer trip for 5 days and need to carry more water or give up on a garage in wells and move on to another parking lot.

I personally don't get excited because it involves a long walk through jeeps inside the crater (with lots of powder and dust coat Jeep.)
I want to walk in the path of the forum for the simple reason that I was sick on the same trip and came and the track is supposed to be beautiful.

I do some more phones to road or car park (Mount Tabor) to get an idea of costs.

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#13 Posted : Thursday, April 14, 2011 8:09:55 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = Rooney]
From what I understand there maybe an option to walk ten miles to road and then find a cheaper ride to the Observatory, or trying to find rides fast crocus, when according to monitor any chance at Passover "not bad to hitch a ride out. In the worst case, delayed a few hours/one more night on Mt. karkom, there at our tracker, so that's not a problem. "   About getting the other way seems a little logistics simpler and cheaper.

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Rooney: I want to leave and return any date from the 19th. Flexible trip lengths (up to five days).   Arrives and depends on public transportation from Dallas, didn't want the total capzzot budget cost well over $ 100 (excluding public transport cost), so who wants to build on rides from Mount karkom.





Regarding quick hitch Crocus
Did the course last year (Hanukkah) were the years (broken Lutz) and returned (from 10) rides to/from mitzpe Ramon (North node which I believe.)

On Sukkot Hanukkah and Passover there are many people who travel to Eilat 10 road to Eilat for the view

On Passover is Professor 34redg (ID mount karkom Mt Sinai) in the foothills along with researchers from all over the world (don't remember where I read it) which means a lot of traffic from the mountain toward the tzioilisitia

In my opinion, at least, can build on cycle ride

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#14 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2011 12:06:33 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Yotam. Fastened appreciated that there may be problems with crocus to exit civilization.

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#15 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2011 10:23:07 AM(UTC)
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I want to join this trip, because I was in Carmel in unfamiliar routes, how to do it?
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#16 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2011 3:00:57 PM(UTC)
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Just to emphasize: this is not a trip about Forum as part of Forum members, and currently about two distinct groups with separate trips along different paths and different dates, without any planning to meet in the middle. We preferred to go in groups because too little time constraints, partly because such a long btiol challenges (carrying 4-6 days of food and water for two days) rather a group of three or four persons because, and because we use only + car rides so when a group is very problematic.
Right now, things are still in flux, probably one car already full. No idea what's going on with the other group.

I think if there are other Forum members who are interested in a trip to mount karkom need to organize and schedule. Unless you have a 4WD, complicated mountain relaxation and includes approximately 10 km walk the paved road.
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#17 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2011 4:37:45 PM(UTC)
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I think if everyone was to begin on the same date, was definitely a set can be arranged כ"טיול Forum" but these constraints + logistics complex and expensive, and our experience has brought that question for two parallel groups that an outgoing spontaneously and on other days and it is unclear whether low budget meet on the way due date constraints.

I feel comfortable with the fact we didn't think to define it as a walk and be Forum smarter next time.

It should be noted that a large portion of the water logistikat executes against the nature and Parks Authority and not by ourselves so that large group was imposed load on the inspectors. If there were approximately 10 travellers depart on the same day, we could find a spring that could get us the landfills or water bouncing.

I promise that the next time will be such planning, bring it to a forum on the first with a specific date.

About the trip itself 4-5 days in a remote area with necessary to carry water for two days (8-10 liters per person) and food for 4-5 days, and the problem of bouncing back to remote micepa crocus. About level of difficulty-the first day of the Forum 1 with 3 days in rugged mountainous area with peaks up to 850 meters. I don't know how to be tough walking but sure serenity from Suki.
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#18 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2011 10:49:28 PM(UTC)
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I hope to be in it, just haven't figured out who goes where.
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#19 Posted : Saturday, April 16, 2011 1:39:22 AM(UTC)
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If I'm not mistaken, and Yair start on April 22. I, me and Ronnie 20.4.
Anyone who joins need to bring water for himself Har garage Arif through southern mountain wave Inspector Winn (or carry more water).
And the fast ride back to the Crocus micepa. It is advantageous to small group flexibility.
On the other hand, if everyone starts at the same day and same as Greece and join another, maybe it was worth it to pay 1200 between successive tones. But it takes more than 12 shtzelm and sightseeing, the package will fall apart into small groups according to the rate hike.
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#20 Posted : Saturday, April 16, 2011 3:22:14 PM(UTC)
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Ok. I would love to travel with Ronnie, I have much to learn from him. The only limitation is that 20 month at our guides families in Canada Chapter and get lunch (with a ride to mitzpe Ramon). When and where do you start?
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