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zvikamr  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:03:39 PM(UTC)
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I want to buy a bag make around 7° C, light quality, and durable, preferably at least partially resistant to moisture (I usually prefer not to carry a tent), price is less important. What would you recommend from among the following, or other:

Http://www.mammut.ch/en/productDetail/241000950_v_180/Ajungilak+Sphere+3-Season.html? cid = 3842232

Http://www.westernmountaineering.com/index.cfm?section=Products&page=Sleeping%20Bags&cat=ExtremeLite%20Series&ContentId=17

Http://www.nunatakusa.com/site07/other_bags/alpinist.htm

Temperature matters, is there a significant difference between the American and the European standard-

In terms of heat retention, is rather borderline scale (180 when 182 cm Heights), or more spacious scale (195).

Thanks, Zvika.

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זמי1  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:38:52 PM(UTC)
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You take LARGE scale high

To bill you? Which climatic conditions?

Moisture resistance in reverse so that no bag is so heavy, the top will take a tent and getting wet. Or levy. Lightweight tents have again, where you go.

See Messenger bag that brought Metrolink are climbers with special design features zipper location.

Hamsh also REVIEWS per km network.

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#3 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2011 9:19:57 PM(UTC)
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The difference between American and European standard that very significant when the difference is about 6 degrees and sometimes even more.
The European standard is more restrictive and trusted, to lean on.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:34:18 PM(UTC)
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If there is a standard European option is always better.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2011 3:47:06 AM(UTC)
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I think Americans have not yet formulated a uniform standard.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, May 15, 2011 1:10:06 AM(UTC)
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As stated the American uniform and reliable, it is best to look at the weight and quality and on the LOFT (the thickness of the bag when he quit after a while). There are tables that all such thickness (in inches) for טמ"פ.

All that you gave and I think they will not disappoint you. With none of them want to be in the rain without shelter (Tal that's something else).

I think lzzor has the first model, and wrote opinions in this forum.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, May 15, 2011 1:27:49 AM(UTC)
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Prefer the mmot on the other two.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, May 15, 2011 1:50:27 AM(UTC)
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I have the model of Western Mountaineering He's great and I'm biased, of course.

About the bag of Nuntak This company is known for their products quality products more expensive than those of its Western Mountaineering, but if you have the budget then .

A few comments:

1. I think it worth investing in-liner thing, which adds several cost of heat. If you go into a bag after a day walking and you're dirty, so you have "blocked" layer that prevents the bag from getting dirty. Make it clear that miles story

2. If launched with bedroom flip got wet, so there is a serious problem of drying/dehydration (even in the case of Tal). We recommend that you sleep in a tent.

3. If you plan to purchase online so you'll have to pay. And no amounts are (sleeping bags, 2 that I treat them aren't cheap at all)-If this "perceived".

If you have someone who comes from the U.S., so buy your chosen product.

By the way, where and when you plan to travel?

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#9 Posted : Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:10:22 AM(UTC)
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Note that bringing the seat nunatak has far less reversed מב2. I wouldn't take seriously its temperature rating.
On the other hand if you call them they think will match your bag requirements both in terms of quantity and they are backwards. This customization section of this company.

About the western mountaineering, he doesn't count out profit-taking finite measure.
The mmot.

The km for rain I wouldn't recommend, but there are solutions other than rain protection. There is a 200 g bag covers (bivy) to protect from rain and short 600 area g covers to protect "all the rain. Another alternative is manifold (tarp) you set if necessary. 300-400 g consider a curtain and $ 100 in the area. You can also find things weighing less than half but cost twice as much.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, May 15, 2011 3:29:13 PM(UTC)
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First of all thanks a lot for your responses to machchemot.

Whoever asked-for use in the bedroom for many years and in many places. Examples represent-trekking in Himalayan peaks, and the Negev. Today I am putting TNF (קת'ס t) defined 7° C (probably American) and sometimes a little cold, though not if unbearable, so I add small chunks. With this in mind, do you think will do a little less bag warms a minus 7 European standard (for example 0 degrees according to the European standard) + liner? It will be hotter than my current bag? (Obviously it would be out at least a 7 European standard).

Who offered to add a tent, manifold, and so the most important consideration is weight savings (a few years ago bought one of Henry's aterptantim and I haven't used it). A reasonable tolerance. Tal (sometimes have kind of Mount Negev), or to thicken-if you score or tent flap, or a few drops of rain, and avoiding irreversible damage in case the bag gets wet. I realized it was possible for reverse-bags?

I am inclined to Mammut.

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#11 Posted : Sunday, May 15, 2011 10:59:59 PM(UTC)
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If the consideration is weight savings, did you try QUILT?

Here are two models of GOLITE our last trip to Mount Tabor:



The newer model right, weighing 700 grams and rated to-7 degrees.


I think the three with a competing proposal Tal (the mmot saw wet thicken, and dried in the Sun for 20 minutes).
None of them will suffer irreversible damage if wet. Just take him a long time to dry out during which the isolation of the bag gets hurt a lot. HarmonicWave 40678.837037037
afix  
#12 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2011 12:19:04 AM(UTC)
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If you are not a morning ammars experimental drying for a few minutes in the morning is all it takes to make metal shcsh dryer or interference.

If you want to add insulation, so clothing (like West or above) that in my opinion the solution makes more sense Dan liinerim. Never liners made of materials/insulation ratio. Beyond that clothing also is useful not only for sleep if you choose clothing with synthetic insulation will receive a particular solution for emergencies where flip got wet and quit. What it do-liner thing help maintain clean bag in case you sleep naked or less bag or clothing dirty.

Choice of clothing for sleep can I allow you to use a sleeping bag 0° c even at minus 7.

About the quilt, it is an option to think about but who moves at night and sleeping in conditions that even a little wind, you may suffer from the cold. It's a personal matter and should experience. The size of the quilt is important in this context, especially if you sleep on your side.

Speaking generally, the upgrading of km guess no conditions a bear in mind if you sleep without shelter and instead.

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#13 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2011 12:21:59 PM(UTC)
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What about Henry Tharp? If you do not use and do not intend to use his size and if you are willing to sell?
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:19:29 PM(UTC)
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Just yesterday I told anyone about the interference of waves (superposition ' logo)
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:27:19 AM(UTC)
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If you don't take a tent you need a sleeping bag.
Recommend sleeping bag-DIABLE FERRINO 1000 weighs only 1800 vineyard
And fits almost any temperature. Equal to reviewer

Sleeping bag-1000 DIABLE FERRINO
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2011 2:56:20 AM(UTC)
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That's a lot of 1,800 to bag in a backpack on my back. Depends on what kind of weather conditions.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:26:55 PM(UTC)
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I really like Perino's products but not this model.
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