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arthur  
#1 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 2:11:03 PM(UTC)
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Well I'm still in the forums mask harassment.
And once a daily menu, above.
I decided to travel with enough officers and jacket have become serious.

Read a little on the net and I have a few questions:
1. I guess this coat very Adaptive thing where you travel so we can buy and can be used also in Europe also in Nepal Australia etc?
2. According to what I understand the coats can be divided into several categories-fleeces, rain coats (ardshl) and soptchl that gives protection against rain (not immune) but allows for gentle aerobics and sweat evaporation.
I think that soptchl would be the logical choice?
Although btachles there anyone who undoes a day in if it rains? Or entered the tent?
3. corporate websites they advertise coats data of evaporation and rain resistant ability (usually measured in mm)
How am I supposed to know which is more resistant to rain jackets then?

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#2 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 5:56:09 PM(UTC)
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1.

2. depending on the course and weather. How much money do whatever relieves your back.

3. waterproof it waterproof, heard of data on durability that can compare or moving water. Recommendation help.

arthur  
#3 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 9:46:10 PM(UTC)
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I wasn't talking about sealing the water waterproof, waterproof to have measured from, and the ability of the fabric. Measured in grams per metre squared.


For example the soptchl of ardevr mountain. (Click on link SPECS).
The problem is that very few manufacturers give this information and we only buy/soptchl brass according to external appearance or something else stupid.
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#4 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 10:03:12 PM(UTC)
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Arthur, most manufacturers do indicate water resistance, I know this because I searched a raincoat to the Pyrenees and dug for hours in search of the right jacket.

Look, first you set the destination and then decide what you take/buy me for example has an excellent rating of the North's pace (Aphex) I don't take to Spain that is heavy, New Zealand and Nepal traveled with him and I am very happy of it.

I posted a question similar to yours, here is the post.

Http://www.hike.co.il/forum_posts.asp?TID=7139&PN=2

In the end I bought a arkterix coat, a heavy expense, but an investment.

arthur  
#5 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 10:20:09 PM(UTC)
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Just where you traveled, Corsica and Spain. Then I don't know what I would do.
Would love to hear from you did you really use soptchl?
What does it mean to travel when you know rain
Or that the intention is to put it in when the rain catches you unexpectedly?
If it really should be lightweight and waterproof.

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Tznir, where did you see the network data mentioned above?
How did arkterix's coat? Arthur 40714.8284375
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#6 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 11:05:22 PM(UTC)
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Arthur, tshnir, to this end.

Again I used a lot of soft when used as wind-resistant layer and heats (brass lining) but shouldn't protect against rain, he was New Zealand's barely three-hour flood.

There are places the rain catches you, you know he will come or not, in most cases in New Zealand you are ordering in advance, so there I tried to avoid walking in the rain. But in Milford for example that invite six months in advance, I'm screwed and I went two days in flood and Kepler on the last day I ran in very heavy rain, that's part of the business.

Spain is planning to either be rainy days, going, for it has a trench coat and dry bags, I hope you can handle it, that I could lose some of the trail if you don't go in the rain, moreover I drive fairly dry season, so should be fine.

Also heavy rain coat prohibit forever, it's all a question of what you need, I want a coat that will be lightweight and holding the rain (Gore-Tex keeps some sponge stage).

To data, each model in the manufacturer's website has a fabric resistant to water and his breath, find models in shops on the Internet then go to manufacturers.
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#7 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 11:43:15 PM(UTC)
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OK there are differences based on worldview I understand.
UM like this first I don't know what you mean in order or not, I see no reason in the world to walk in the rain.
It's not a military mission, and navigation, you're going to see and enjoy? Correct me if I'm wrong.

About the data-link that brought up the mountain ardevr's site is the only one I could find describing these figures, nor do I speak for the entire site, only this specific coat.
Like I really don't understand how I'm supposed to look at network product/store to grab it and say look and it seemed more/less durable.
You know what I mean?

But enough of my complaints need to be more productive.
I want lightweight and holding the rain.
How do you chose specific.

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Soptchl keeping 3 hours sounds like flood did its job and beyond. I think you should take advantage of the 3 hours of the question to open the tent and go to bed. Arthur 40714.8641550926
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#8 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 11:58:20 PM(UTC)
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Arthur, if you start to go in 8 a.m. and by 10 torrent and inviting cabin is 4 hours away, so go if you should end the slammed and fucked with rain.

About Spain, see what happens, I don't agree on anything, it's that Bill, you came to visit nature dictates the rules, it's not fun, but it's part of the business, if we can avoid, avoid storms, but later part of shashbil.

Http://www.mammut.ch/en/productDetail/101009580_v_0001_S/Kento+Jacket+Men.html

Example amott's coat.

How I chose I've read a lot of reviews on the Web, comparing prices, discounts and hunting experience at the end I decided to go for a good cheap option.

There is a website called lots Trailspace.com reviews.

Another site for example with overviews on the coat I bought:
Http://www.gearbuyer.com/products/arcteryx_beta_sl_jacket_mens.html#reviews

Researchers and readers, the pace's coats on their site if I'm not mistaken there is a breakdown of the fabric.
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#9 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 11:59:49 PM(UTC)
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Further rain is unpleasant, sometimes it can be dangerous, especially in show drops to zero, with the hole in the wall to prove something and be a man, was walking at the time New Zealand mine, killed in Mount Cook, that is up for a difficult scene.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:10:21 AM(UTC)
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I agree with almost everything you said.
If I start to go and grab me a torrent I'm about half an hour I see don't stop I stop to go in my opinion. What if I booked a cabin.

What brought the model of amott? That's what you bought?

I'm also going to Spain this summer so I don't understand why we find it hard to help each other?

Let me get this straight, you finally decide to go on a rain jacket? In other words, the ardshl not impervious to water at all?

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#11 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:16:39 AM(UTC)
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I bought a arkterix coat, amott's model is just an example.

About continue to go well, you can get wet, no problem drying clothes and bag everything dry, dry bags I left no one shirt will be replaced.

With regard to Spain, after reading several posts, one of them of (the comprehensive and excellent post) and reading through stories on the Web, I came to the conclusion that I drive a relatively dry season.

The rationale says layers method but not from the cold, haven't drawn up an opinion, but it's going to be like this:

T-shirt, long thin shirt and funkier head band-Israel.
In case of rain or night thermal shirt and her micro fleece (if cold).

Bronze (Arcteryx Beta Sl) in cases of rain or wind, depending on the source of download/add layers.

I'm not so storm pants, MA told me, but I just tend not to go in that direction, then it will be trekking pants.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:27:53 AM(UTC)
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Or!!!
This is exactly what I was looking for!

How I planned that way:

Comfortable weather Bauer:
Walk: a thin shirt and pants sagging and funkier head band-Israel
Dinner: a dry shirt and funkier head band-Israel (I 2 blouses from ndefot's just shirts) and her coat to protect against wind.
Overnight: km + tent

Rain
Walk: a thin shirt and funkier head band-Israel + pants + jacket dissolution

Heavy rain
Tent/arpiog.

What do you say?
According to a sketch I got kind of jacket you think is best for me?
tsnir7  
#13 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:38:51 AM(UTC)
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There is a wide range,

I wanted something that would be lightweight and breathe, it costs expensive, but I'm sure the jacket will do the job the best.

It is also a function of price, I finally spent more than planned.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2011 1:17:48 AM(UTC)
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Arthur also drizzle and wet to go a whole day of cloud (100% moisture) stop wet every time it day need rain or cloudy day with a chance of rain will be hard to finish a large part of these days (although it doesn't really matter whether you walk or stopping in nature, if caught you, you're going to have rain the opaque layer).

Although this is not a military navigation but I bet if you want to go continuously for two weeks or more in the Pyrenees you will find few reasons to go out in the rain (let's be clear-I don't recommend walking in the pouring rain, but sometimes you have no choice – for example – this time walking in the pouring rain to the cabin in front of a tent, Cook and try to sleep in a tent (not an easy task in itself) in the pouring rain), this is not always the pouring rain catches you in the tent or hut.

About the coat-I prefer separating the isolated layer (i.e. storm coat) layer (all the warm coats) – most of the time I get to walk in the rain wasn't cold enough to wear a warm coat, however had to go quite as low temperature layer transparency still heats, but want it to be breathing and airy.
Therefore, I don't recommend you to go for soft-it's a combination raincoat and a thin fleece jacket.

Anyone using the brass, breathing more and more a fan of asopet and a combination of the two (brass and above storm) gives a warm coat to have also good for cold nights in the tent (I had a few nights in the Pyrenees as the temperature dropped below 0). I'm not sure two coats together will be heavier than of asopet.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2011 1:41:16 AM(UTC)
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I plan to take a shirt walk (probably, maybe a minute), thermal shirt, a raincoat (bronze-Marmot-prsip is recommended). I also take place not the backup heater to guarantors.

-A pair of Jean pants (fall apart, but troops shouldn't mind), a pair of trousers (pants, walking light too), and thermal tights (I have just a couple watched it, but I think to buy a couple more little heater instead). I think I take my storm pants if I find them. Bthels may not actually taste. Should have thought of that.

Hope the arrangement would work ...

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#16 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:03:09 AM(UTC)
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Further to what you said to me, in terms of weight, measure.
Micro fleece weighs about 190 grams and above approximately 300-400 while asopet-my weigh 860 's if I remember correctly (according to manufacturer).
arthur  
#17 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:55:58 AM(UTC)
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Look I think you are right.
I think I'd go for a combination of icroplis and then bronze.
Stop by today to pace North Tel Aviv they might have some deal or something.

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#18 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:54:30 PM(UTC)
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The pace is expensive shops and coffee. Do you have any outlet store of North pace in new industrial area of Rosh Ha'ayin. She's not selling, that is excess importer (import ג'אנספורט and other stuff too). I was there a month ago and a lot of ski clothes and half-price ardshlim real, albeit micro fleeces.
Address: 14, Amal Park Afek, Rosh Ha'ayin.

Regardless, check on eBay (I got away everything I have almost), Alpine style not too far North pace that, Tel Aviv is safer.
arthur  
#19 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2011 1:03:34 PM(UTC)
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Lior accept my gratitude.
I get there today.

P.s.
Anyone know any other stores you want to visit them? Arthur 40715.4383101852
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:43:09 PM(UTC)
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A bogersov and Chin are in fine. Nothing special, but if you are on the track.

I'm probably going to visit Peru-sport (or something) in hashmonaim (somewhere between North pace to Alpine style), that should be their choice of Colombia, and I am looking for a funkier head band-Israel shirt.
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