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הלך עברי  
#1 Posted : Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:17:12 AM(UTC)
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#2 Posted : Sunday, November 13, 2011 12:24:37 PM(UTC)
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Durable and high quality pod 60-70 multi weight will never be easy. At least 2 kg.

Tent-terptant.

I-don't know what's in the country, can you purchase abroad? Here I think is much more expensive, it's best to find a model here and ask someone to bring you.

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#3 Posted : Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:09:35 PM(UTC)
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About km as far as synthetic, synthetic insulation currently best Climashield called APEX. It's cheaper than flip quality but also less easy and it will last you for years (and this is the best synthetic). Technically I don't think there's any reason to prefer sinanti to explore the country in case of condensation Max dry the bag a bit during the day. Anyway if you are ready to use the quilt in place, here are some options.
Http://enlightenedequipment.com/prodigy.html
Http://www.mountainlaureldesigns.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=133

Ltemprtorot you seem to be aiming at them it's up to $ 200 and less.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:29:12 PM(UTC)
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Lightweight equipment is not cheap business (there's always something a little easier and a lot more expensive). Another problem is that most products sold in the U.S., so it's hard to see and feel. Fortunately, there are quite a few Forum members equipment that they be allowed to see and explore.

First thing is-join tarptant recommendations. White models have one person, two or more. Matter of 700-1200 grams and $ 180-$ 240 (excluding shipping, customs etc).

Backpack-do you really need a 70 litre backpack when hiking? Anyway I recommend on the pods of ULA. The CIRCUIT or big brother the CATALYST to do the job.
Jump to mind also the shell called NOMAD's Adam Stevens, which yagil recommended it a few months ago.

A-if you insist on putting traditional kg, so there isn't much place to lose weight. Bookmark shcsh to download a few hundred grams, and the move to shave some more QUILT (but it's a matter of style and personal preference).

Incidentally, two trip would take a lightweight aleia rather than traditional gas burner (100 g in total value of gas).

Walking with very little weight is pleasure, keeping the body and lets be greater distances faster (so you can take less food and water).

This website has information on hiking, lightweight equipment and various techniques to reduce weight. It is highly recommended.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:30:13 PM(UTC)
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A pod of about 1.5-2 kg.

Tent not heavy at about 1 kg.

That's easy to 1 kg kg

A 250-gram.

Together approximately 4.5 kg.

This is not a olteraliit equipment on the one hand nor particularly heavy but standard rims. Only if you have outdated equipment and heavy especially can save 3 kg weight items.

25 kg backpack derives mainly from many more supplies and equipment. Start with the water you carry. If this Bill is no reason in the Israel National Trail (INT) to carry water for two days. Flush and you're 20 pounds I think at least 3 kg.

Here here equipment for travel to hishkia in weight, with some good ideas. He carries on his back less than 9 kg before food and water.

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#6 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 1:02:05 AM(UTC)
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#7 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 2:03:04 AM(UTC)
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About 250 grams, it's a little too conservative savings. The links I sent 650 to 950 solutions were made (add something).
Beyond that, we're pretty dry country total hot and do not mind a problem to travel with. Here is an example to make the relevant bag temperature in 400 g (need to add something to the top). Note that this isn't even a real quilt. The weight is because of using high-quality materials enable extremely high-quality and easy (and probably some hairline).
Http://zpacks.com/quilts/sleepingbag.shtml

About tent: Israel can give up no problem on a. Rain protection is possible by 100 g: http://zpacks.com/shelter/hexamid.shtml
Another option some 350 g-cheaper and can also replace storm wear
Http://www.sixmoondesigns.com/raingear/GatewoodCape.html
In addition 50 g floor sheet if necessary

There are relinquishing the comfort over standing on its own and you'll be more draughty (it goes in terptant) and water on the ground (as of terptant)-which requires more attention on staying and coming soon.
Two examples are used in much more difficult conditions in the world, do not mind a question about whether they could do the job-it is a matter of knowledge and the ability of the user.
You can think about things in terms of walking comfort with less weight for ease of quick/flexible currently constructed residing on each finds the balance is right.

About case, my experience with heavy weights to cases not good and because the matter would often dictate water weights isn't easy. There is a problem.
I am testing an alternative to weight savings-case to carry the weight in a more correct: http://aarnpacks.com/index.html.
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#8 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 2:36:58 AM(UTC)
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BTW, regarding food, I think it possible 3600 calories in less than k if you concentrate on high-calorie foods.
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#9 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 3:56:54 AM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = went Hebrew]

Happy to consider light (literally), so I'd love to learn from you about the backpack, and lightweight hiking tent travel in the winter in the Negev, while carrying full equipment, when expected.
(If estimated cost of the equipment, I'd love to learn about it).

Characterizing the basic items:

Durable and high quality pod, designed for mass, weight 60-70
Synthetic comfort minus the km 1-minus 5 to a value
Tent waterproof rain and wind, preferably standing on its own.

Thanks to all respondents.


If a basic analysis items aimed at exploring the Negev mountain in winter not. why need to much weight backpack

Here's a suggestion for equipment based on daily tour in the Negev desert in the winter when there is a chance of rain:
And the emphasis is: no rain all the time not to be hot and the trip is 2 days and weeks:
Ultraligt pod weighs around 650 grams
Poncho, tarp weighs 200 grams.
Quilt would consider 700 g
Mattress, I recommend investing 700 g (assuming that would be 0 degrees)
The clothes you, light wool hat fleece gloves
Assuming no hot water 4 liters will do a day (but of course it depends on a person, and a person carrying 25 pounds on your back lose more fluids)
Food: bread, tuna, peanut butter, chocolate spread or whatever, you don't need to Cook (around 1 KB)

In summary: I don't see any reason not to athelb if it's just a couple of days.

I forgot ... Cost: $ 160 + pod, $ 200 + quilt poncho Tharp 70 dollars.

It is important to note that if you travel in the Negev in the winter and you write, there's a chance you're not going in there where floodsyotam k40861.0432175926
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#10 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 4:04:41 AM(UTC)
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Dear, move

Since you walked past, asking about tours in Israel-you have nothing to fear from disadvantages and dealing with the tarptant the weather, which is warm and relatively moderate (with all due respect, "ל"חורף).

It's just that the Andes hotels I've slept in my tarpant name (the QUILT). The gear stood bravely at a temperature below freezing, rain and hail storms (including rain on my part) and even some snow.



Some disadvantages are that tarptant should meet before Kenya (e.g. condensation and gently with the tent), but for me and for others the weight savings is worth it.



BTW, I think the water still too windy, but you know your needs better than I do. Pod also can save more, but it is advisable to later stages (and pay the backpack).
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#11 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 10:09:50 AM(UTC)
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#12 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 3:13:54 PM(UTC)
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And most importantly, a few kilometers to go. Throw on the load and effort.
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#13 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 3:36:50 PM(UTC)
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Hi, my mistake-900 grams per day-that food I remembered wrongly mentioned 1.8 kg per day and total.

About bags, I remembered an article that screener for a lightweight carry weights up to 30קילו the site referred to him by HarmonicWave (really great). Access to the articles on the website costs money (it pays to mind if you before the purchase), but I can sure try to send it to you if you want. The case mentioned, ULA catalyst received a weighted score.
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