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#1 Posted : Monday, December 5, 2011 9:00:36 PM(UTC)
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Hello everyone,

I'm 48 years old, is currently "between jobs" (nice euphemism for something a little less pleasant ), and for years I have this internal combustion of Israel. I don't travel, but one who travels from his youth, and naturally less in recent years.
20 + miles in one day I didn't since the army.
I want to use the time I have now to start and make Israel trail, small sections of a day or three days and nights in the field (עכ"פ I)
It's important for me to note that I don't mean slag I run regularly for ten years and has reasonable gym + CE (the section for Beit Yanai to poleg, sea). In terms of endurance walking, I have a problem with the weight on your back, and less pull, walking distances.

I want to get started in the Chanukah day or two with my wife (who works in the field of knowledge of the country and travels all year round), and then with a friend (infantry reserve officer, 36, less than mine) in two to three days during January.
I want to travel in the country because it is a region that loves and I think it would be suitable for the weather.
My questions below, if you can relate: (I have the book of choice and yagil Jacob Saar, and read the article about the yagil weights etc)
-Short-days or less now allows to finish the track in the Israel National Trail (INT) of 20-25 km a day?
-End of December/January is a good season for wipe Assuming I'm fine with sleeping not bouncing.
When I say wipe, it started from home construction and course oacha until Eilat. What are the routes that would encourage me to start them can give me two files of tracks from that area north of Arad to the craters, Ramon.
I saw some posts on a forum for Israel-surfaces oharg please ...
-Recommendations and other tips will be of course welcome. So if someone thinks I'm missing something in the North just now, of course, is welcome to respond.
Thank you everyone,
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#2 Posted : Monday, December 5, 2011 9:19:50 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = beginner] Hello everyone,

I'm 48 years old, is currently "between jobs" (nice euphemism for something a little less pleasant ), and for years I have this internal combustion of Israel. I don't travel, but one who travels from his youth, and naturally less in recent years.
20 + miles in one day I didn't since the army.
I want to use the time I have now to start and make Israel trail, small sections of a day or three days and nights in the field (עכ"פ I)
It's important for me to note that I don't mean slag I run regularly for ten years and has reasonable gym + CE (the section for Beit Yanai to poleg, sea). In terms of endurance walking, I have a problem with the weight on your back, and less pull, walking distances.

I want to get started in the Chanukah day or two with my wife (who works in the field of knowledge of the country and travels all year round), and then with a friend (infantry reserve officer, 36, less than mine) in two to three days during January.
I want to travel in the country because it is a region that loves and I think it would be suitable for the weather.
My questions below, if you can relate: (I have the book of choice and yagil Jacob Saar, and read the article about the yagil weights etc)
-Short-days or less now allows to finish the track in the Israel National Trail (INT) of 20-25 km a day?

The answer, of course, but it depends.


-End of December/January is a good season for wipe Assuming I'm fine with sleeping not bouncing.

Definitely.


When I say wipe, it started from home construction and course oacha until Eilat. What are the routes that would encourage me to start them can give me two files of tracks from that area north of Arad to the craters, Ramon.

Look at the profiles in the book have many intermediate distances, and can plan according to what is right for you.


I saw some posts on a forum for Israel-surfaces oharg please ...

True.


-Recommendations and other tips will be of course welcome. So if someone thinks I'm missing something in the North just now, of course, is welcome to respond.
Thank you everyone,
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#3 Posted : Monday, December 5, 2011 9:23:30 PM(UTC)
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Just out of curiosity, why no nights?
Because of the weight? Lack of proper equipment. Or other reasons?
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#4 Posted : Monday, December 5, 2011 9:46:08 PM(UTC)
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I don't know why. Fear of starting. Pinnock. The cold. All together.
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#5 Posted : Monday, December 5, 2011 10:49:25 PM(UTC)
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If not 20 + miles a day since the army I wouldn't start.

Start in the Center. You from Tel Aviv to Modi'in/gimazo Observatory in three days.

The advantage of this is that every few miles there meeting with Highway and can "play" the length of the sections if you see that you request or that today's going to be over before the scheduled end. Those sections too. Two thirds of first and third last Planar no steep hills.

Also in terms of the weather (provided it's not raining of course) this seems more suited for winter. In the much colder than the coastal lowlands and in December/January.

After you accumulate confidence and meet your skills do the second sortie.

Incidentally, although the Red Book is also our Oracle divides the sections made by this website divides the sections for 62-

Http://www.eretz-hatzvi.co.il/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%9B%D7%99%D7%9D% D7% 91% D7% A9% D7% 91% D7% 99% D7% 9C% D7% 99% D7% A9% D7% A8% D7% 90% D7% 9C/

It is possible indeed to go 20 + kilometers also at our age (we are a few years older than you, not many) But we found that 15/16 miles a day for business entities to be far more enjoyable (for proper detection quite a bunch and we always rate of group will be a little slower than the rate of 2-3 people).

Good luck. It's great fun.

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#6 Posted : Monday, December 5, 2011 10:51:29 PM(UTC)
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Welcome shade korthno

Indeed, this is a great time to start.

Due to the weather, maybe you should start somewhere down South, it's dangerous to do during the spring and summer heat.

On the other hand, govern in a more complex and require an investment (financial and lots of free time).

You shave the equipment "lighter hiking areas in South (Arad) and the daily sorties with the guys get ready for bouncing, landfills, etc.

The Red Guide is definitely a good starting point to understand what awaits you for both in the way they move because it contains.

You can for example make the rattlesnake bar Arad segment (about 27 km long) in two days (in preparation for the rest of the trail)-Sunday through the circular pad (the Green dirt road) and Monday hamnacht exit to route 258. You can then evaluate the strength, stamina and ability to walk in space.

Anyway, we're here to give you everything you need, but before anything else-read the manual.

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#7 Posted : Monday, December 5, 2011 11:12:26 PM(UTC)
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(Sorry for the thread isn't accurate, I don't know how to thread here )
My response is to annually and Yuval

-The Centre area tributary. "I was born here and this area is not very interesting to me (probably not my wife and friend) to go off-road here, just to check the status of your feet. I know you might be going to regret this, but I like the desert, Max "cut"-meaning that it is impossible to plan in advance to escape points

-Annually-since I thought of value. I read eagerly the manual (I reading ). But I thought I'd also get the craters, I'm not committed to the sections in sequence. And I'm of course open to hearing more ideas.

Thanks for the warm welcome
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#8 Posted : Monday, December 5, 2011 11:44:53 PM(UTC)
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The Negev is not easy "cut" after the escape point and goes into orbit. Recommend you start Tel (day 25) and go 4-5 days to Arad.

That is very easy to cut. Alternatively you can start the mount amsha and survived all the way to Tel. This will help you test your fitness before you wipe.

That you can start easily. Note: should add on average far red manual 5-4% is based on the measurement date.

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#9 Posted : Monday, December 5, 2011 11:58:29 PM(UTC)
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יענקל'ה, ב"לחתוך I was going to try to see if it is possible to design some of the daily-recommended route, of course, only where this is possible, and as your first response to me.

And thank you too for the route you suggested, definitely worth checking out.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, December 6, 2011 12:28:49 AM(UTC)
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I went in without is an area you are welcome to take a look here http://shvilisrael.myfastforum.org/__about445.htmland if you have any questions answer.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, December 6, 2011 12:39:25 AM(UTC)
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Fascinating. Exciting. Does. Well done!
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, December 6, 2011 12:56:41 AM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = beginner] (Sorry for the thread isn't accurate, I don't know how to thread here )
My response is to annually and Yuval

-The Centre area tributary. "I was born here and this area is not very interesting to me (probably not my wife and friend) to go off-road here, just to check the status of your feet. I know you might be going to regret this, but I like the desert, Max "cut"-meaning that it is impossible to plan in advance to escape points

I thought you were planning to go all Israel trail.

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#13 Posted : Tuesday, December 6, 2011 5:03:47 PM(UTC)
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All well and good, but what about gear Shoes- Backpack Hiking clothes? Rain tziosd Planning list, test weights, see what you need to complete your friends or buy.

What about training for the walk? It doesn't run the workout I mean, but walks with a backpack with weights, surface, lifts, downs, reinforcing, fastening the foot to prevent blisters.

Winter walking-if there were no rain, no problem at all.

Nights in the field? Plan in accordance with the angels.

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#14 Posted : Thursday, December 8, 2011 3:47:17 PM(UTC)
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Anyway, with the 20-25 km per day. This high rate, and he wants you actually already be in shape once you start. If you don't have enough, you kill yourself and after a few days you may have to break. All the long walk should start relatively slowly-not to mention that there are days (mainly in the Negev) that to be 12 miles even if you are in top shape.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, December 8, 2011 8:46:35 PM(UTC)
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The plan is for one day, Hanukkah and twice more for three days (without accommodation) in the next few weeks, as long as it is not clear whether the weeks in a row or not-depending on others.
Thought on the course of Arad-rattlesnake bar (hamnacht). Exactly a year ago we did a river ob from the coming from Arad to route 258, including the head, within two hours, as part of the trip. Were I (male) and two other women. I know this track anymore, but I guess I can take it.

I think I skip the next section (from Phoenix) I think boring (it) and move into the craters in clumps of two or three.

Asked to finish. I really want to do crest. I want to start where I park my Oron, and end at the tip of the heel, then arrange in advance 4 x 4 bounce back to Oron. My intention is to cut through the trail continues westward at the end of the stream oedipoda and proceed directly to the parking lot at the tip of the heel and through the night. This should save me a few miles in total and have a daily route is 26 km. is it possible?
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#16 Posted : Thursday, December 8, 2011 11:43:33 PM(UTC)
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Your designs are good and indicate a lot of motivation on the one hand but a lack of familiarity with the area (and abilities) on the other.

1.-from Arad to Be'er Sheva ASP to ASP or Arad? 27 km in one day, when you write up that you limit yourself to 20 km a day?
Split the track in half as suggested.
2. beer are on the Tamar that perfect itinerary for you. You know your abilities, reset, and the equipment you get 18-20 km is not difficult. This route is built just for you.
3. Oron to heel one day it's not 26 miles but little more. If you ask me, not only difficult to get to the parking lot of a day, but I doubt you will not need to cut in the middle. This is a very difficult thing for a constitutional right-back again-Word life-threatening for those not accustomed to the tours. On arrival at the car park due to Auron is something like 31-34 km (depending on how you measure) only few capable of virtue doing a long day (AUS), and after a great deal of experience and physical fitness that is much much much above average.
Certainly you can understand the enthusiasm of the parts for the active, and the desire to occupy such areas in feet. But as house building from the elements, you need to start small, get to know yourself and adjust the path to your data
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#17 Posted : Friday, December 9, 2011 12:39:09 AM(UTC)
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I wrote a hamnacht in Arad. It's not 26.
I have not written anywhere that I'm inexperienced at tours. In the last post I wrote about a trip (not my last trip) I did just a year ago in the oboe. Later that day we also deal with of makhtesh Ramon and Nahal hooarim. Said it was preparing for a trip to her school joined.
There is also some experience behind the motivation, believe me.

Get your speech on the crest, get there after a few days where I can test my abilities and the ability of my partner.
And again, I'm reminded that I'm not sleeping on the ground and taking only water backs, food and first aid.
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#18 Posted : Friday, December 9, 2011 2:38:40 PM(UTC)
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Asked to finish. I really want to do crest. I want to start where I park my Oron, and end at the tip of the heel, then arrange in advance 4 x 4 bounce back to Oron. My intention is to cut through the trail continues westward at the end of the stream oedipoda and proceed directly to the parking lot at the tip of the heel and through the night. This should save me a few miles in total and have a daily route is 26 km. is it possible?

It is possible for individual and who did it but not to short days and certainly not with a less than great +++.

Crest route is very slow. Settle in on it too to Oron a lot of hikers (I think almost everyone I know) in the dark Creek oedipoda.

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#19 Posted : Friday, December 9, 2011 6:23:53 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = beginner]

Get your speech on the crest, get there after a few days where I can test my abilities and the ability of my partner.
And again, I'm reminded that I'm not sleeping on the ground and taking only water backs, food and first aid.


Agree with my predecessor that ambitious very (very) to do the route you suggested, probably short days.
On the one hand, that you only take day equipment greatly increases the chance of that. On the other hand, if something goes wrong and you're delayed, injured, the risk increases (you have a pleasant option just stop and sleep on the ground).

We should really wait until the crest with test your skills and your partner.
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