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MikeC  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:07:17 AM(UTC)
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Looking for a source of raw material for producing CALDERA CONES
(Cluster in the subject here.

So I'm looking for raw material like sheets of aluminum-mergers (i.e. not as thick as in workshops but 0.15 mm

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leibman2  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:40:57 AM(UTC)
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I build this also firebucket windscreen and a pot.
I'm not aluminum flashing that sped past what most sites offer
As raw material. The closest material that it has aluminum matzati hotels fluorescent lamp, the problem is that some guys. I built
My Tin of olive oil out of roughly 15 liters and cut it to size with Tin shears. I arrive home I will raise the image of it. If you do find aluminum, I would love to know.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2012 3:03:26 AM(UTC)
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I looked at the link, the Americans were killing me, this protector spirit, isn't it?

MikeC  
#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:48:17 PM(UTC)
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Ma-you surprise me.

CONE of TRAIL DESIGNS CALDERA just overall idea is:
1) combining windscreen and a pot operation.
2) cone shape and seal around pot improve efficiency because the hot gases that arise on the burn pot and heat it stuck instead to escape into space-the result is improved efficiency, i.e. less fuel.
3) in correct planning is also packaged in cool with all the pot

I have no personal experience with it and I conquer just buy one but I'd love to do myself because then I can do a lot (have to fit each individual pot) and try a different ality

Da only now started for chalia. I'm not sure about this-looks nice in the House but more complicated than the blowtorch and much easier over time.
I bought the MINI TRANGIA but heavy missiles and I try to use 550ML TI and pot on a wire + course windscreen

You have experience with small pots and narrow ality and status so easy?
MikeC  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2012 2:10:24 PM(UTC)
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By the way, Liebman-the FIREBUCKET looks interesting although it looks a little more complicated to operate and less easy to package. Maybe worth thinking about that but with the idea of the FISSURE that sampler CALDERA that doesn't appear on the site but is broken down into two parts the height and then can be stored in a small saucepan. The cluster I first demonstrate how to do this and seems well suited to FIREBUCKET

Tin of oil looks heavy but would love to hear horrible performance measures and pictures
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:29:21 AM(UTC)
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I still weight so I still don't know exactly how much it weighs. Tin aluminum BV is definitely more durable and, on the other hand it is also possible to use it not just with aleia but oven with fire. About packaging or to wrap it around a gas bottle or roll it out and put in a pot. The ends would not connect another method besides the two screws with a nut that would be easier to assemble. Make slits or don't think tabs is stable and secure enough to hold a pot of boiling water and burning with aleia chale. From what I checked so far only at the chaleia I built together with half a FIREBUCKET boiling water 5 minutes and continues to burn another 5-6 minutes on a high flame with low simmer ring of fire and burning a lot of time (after 10 minutes I turned it off because I had no patience:)



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#7 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:16:21 PM(UTC)
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The strongest class, convenient, easy I know and use-country network piece of bent pens as a cylinder or square, the tent-pegs hammered into the ground.

-Windscreen aluminum disposable pattern.

Didn't I save how much fuel energy calculations if I use the windshield up sophisticated think it's neglect.

Arik  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 6:09:57 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = זמי1]

The strongest class, convenient, easy I know and use-country network piece of bent pens as a cylinder or square, the tent-pegs hammered into the ground.


-Windscreen aluminum disposable pattern.


Didn't I save how much fuel energy calculations if I use the windshield up sophisticated think it's neglect.



If a shield which incorporated "כ"שרוול close connected to remove a hotplate and the wrapper so the savings is negligible.
If it is an improvisation-based savings.
That is why the aim of such improvisation is not fuel but protecting the flame from wind.
MikeC  
#9 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2012 1:28:36 AM(UTC)
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Libman-looks nice. Consider and say some

I guess if it enters the pot means it doesn't cover it all in this aspect could hurt efficiency. But apparently you can compensate with insulation at the top and maybe unless freak cold and critical way.

Ma-I haven't checked personally but to understand because alcohol stoves click so they super efficient wind-sensitive can according to a couple of days can make a difference on fuel quantities

About the titles you're describing – beyond the efficiency stakes just isn't enough to my taste and individual needs to stabilize mood, and so if there really is no comfortable quiet conditions in closed combination
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#10 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2012 4:43:30 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = Arik]
If a shield which incorporated "כ"שרוול close connected to remove a hotplate and the wrapper so the savings is negligible.
If it is an improvisation-based savings.


It is possible to quantify the cost savings numbers
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#11 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:44:49 PM(UTC)
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My "rig out enough, no smell, very effective shield, reaches the height of the cover. About the stakes, four pegs hammered into the ground had more good and safe from any standing.

That's how I cooked in the Appalachian mountains. For dinner right nzerkati to 30 milliliters of alcohol. How I saved the construction? 10%? Neglect.

Arik  
#12 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 8:20:41 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = Irish] allow to quantify the cost savings numbers


I doubt anyone ever seriously study the issue, at least not in the configuration of a hotplate.
But it doesn't matter. Such quantification will be enough.
First of all, we're talking about a number of situations where there are no ideal situation: even party spirit and ideal situations where there are ghost hunts at different speeds.
This is all assuming on a hotplate, "normal" and accordingly relatively small pot, not some crazy cooking stove that you never want to carry on our backs.

Also the case where there is a ghost hunting can be divided into several major cases a year where there are angular, wind speeds vary, etc.
This too is meaningless because for that matter, will treat the worst situation in which there is strong wind which throw a flame pot.
As every hike begins know strong enough not to screw up your cooking.
Even if you don't know this from experience, not difficult to cover because it's the proper cooking equipment. That is easy, simple, humble suppliers and so on.
So obvious that even professional lgesea, unable to cope with. Such equipment simply cannot produce enough concentrated flame and enough power and if he was too big and heavy and having many amounts of fuel.
From here anyway, we have to prepare for any mood while cooking in the area so I assume everyone here found himself at least once and cursing the Lord of spirits while bending over the cooking pot and desperately improvise windscreen.

Which brings us to the ideal case where no party spirit, meaning a situation where no cooking is interrupted due to external constraints.
Guided by consideration in this case is maximizing efficiency of cooking (savings of time and fuel) and therefore the question whether "sleeve" to help us with anything.
The intuitive answer is Yes, for the simple reason that granted some heat generated diffuses into the sides of the Pan and won't be removed, still is in the hole, because we strive to gather the flame heat upward and sideways (in addition, cooking on a pot too wide will not be effective at all, but that's another story saw the premise in the first paragraph).

Engineering speaking, enough to enhance the efficiency of heating sleeve in percentages (say 5%) To be considered worthwhile.
The more practical side, because it provided a space that already includes the terms uncertainty and additional unexpected losses (no land, no windscreen, a hotplate itself malfunctions), the sleeve that makes quite a bit of cooking efficiency.
-Evaluation of improvement of between 10 and 20 percent.

All this in terms of ש"מחירו it pays to sleeve. For hikers "" =.
As far as I know there is. sleeves on a hotplate and pan, or a facility where the pot itself comes with a sleeve that surrounds the a hotplate and makes the whole integral cooking unit and cool that weighs the same big arrangements like cooking equipment less sophisticated.
I saw it once on any site and might find an image for illustrative purposes. It looks like a solid cylinder and that at the bottom (and in fact) is a hotplate and the top is a large cup-shaped pot with lid closed.

The excavation: If you find that a patent and it doesn't weigh too much, it's worth a shot.
But if you don't find ... Well, we got along until now. I guess we will survive even without him.

Shabbat Shalom.


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#13 Posted : Saturday, January 14, 2012 3:44:42 PM(UTC)
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The Tin cylinder pictured to remove 18 cm in diameter and is high enough that about 5 cm pot immersed in it weighs 180 grams. Aluminium would be half but unfortunately I can't find
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#14 Posted : Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:20:17 AM(UTC)
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Ma, it's windscreen, which functions also as a stand in the pot, and not all the warmth of the flame inside and heat the pan. Eventually all folded together are also set into the pot and weighs 180 grams in total.
I have a caldera. I used it even on trips we did at makhtesh Ramon and Masada. The problem I have with this is that my Bahamas gallons of Fosters-some deep and curly and hard to clean. But never mind. The food is cooked.
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