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zkantor  
#21 Posted : Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:37:53 PM(UTC)
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Hi,

I live not far from the truth, comes a lot to Haifa, I got the new bands: S. If appropriate you can send a message and coordinate a meeting to see, touch and try.

Fun Zohar
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#22 Posted : Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:27:41 PM(UTC)
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Bulls and cows. That would be great!
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#23 Posted : Friday, March 16, 2012 9:58:33 AM(UTC)
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#24 Posted : Friday, March 16, 2012 11:00:10 AM(UTC)
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Don't go with a thermometer measures with olteraliit files. Are you relatively fast crack You need to upgrade your equipment accordingly. That's a lot of 16 kg including food and water (unless you're in remote areas where production capacity) and ultra case. The structure of these files will make you great abrasion and discomfort in walking with weights.
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#25 Posted : Friday, March 16, 2012 11:49:38 AM(UTC)
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I would love to learn from you where it sold backpack

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ninelives99  
#26 Posted : Friday, March 16, 2012 1:19:26 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = imtl] don't go with a thermometer measures with olteraliit files. Are you relatively fast crack You need to upgrade your equipment accordingly. That's a lot of 16 kg including food and water (unless you're in remote areas where production capacity) and ultra case. The structure of these files will make you great abrasion and discomfort in walking with weights.


Yes, you're right. 16 kg the extreme situation of something like plus week/week without civilization.
I'm sure this won't be my daily use backpack but it was still important for me to address the extreme point.
Why I'm still undecided is because I don't know how many times a year I get to this extreme point. (Answer: probably not much if at all. But still, as hikers we all want to think we have a lot of free time to disengage and i'il with a backpack on your back).

Maybe just for that matter (although it doesn't really matter anymore) I should also specify the average dry weight: more or less stands about 6 pounds.

Either way, I agree with you entirely about high abrasion backpack while his ability to block. I admit that it has ignored until now. 40984.4315393519 ninelives99
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#27 Posted : Friday, March 16, 2012 2:48:20 PM(UTC)
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The basic weight (without food and water is very significant).
You can overload the backpack a little beyond the short term, but also wear comfortable, either President drops accordingly.

Anyway, I wouldn't be comfortable backpack mileage rare extreme (if according to you), but that it would be convenient to use the average, and "suffer" extreme and rare usage without falling apart or become extremely uncomfortable.

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#28 Posted : Friday, March 16, 2012 3:08:48 PM(UTC)
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A sore point. You shine. Always bringing too much food.
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#29 Posted : Friday, March 16, 2012 3:16:44 PM(UTC)
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This is a known issue with me too. The too.
It's written in deep DNA

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#30 Posted : Friday, March 16, 2012 4:39:39 PM(UTC)
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Yes, I also have a tendency to exaggerate the amount of food, especially if I give people who care about me and push me a little bit longer "to not be missed".
Terrible ...
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#31 Posted : Friday, March 16, 2012 8:02:56 PM(UTC)
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Excuse me for interrupting.
But why not Osprey Exos- I mean his weight 875 grams and has a very good back system relative to this case weight.

From what I researched about this case that weighs less than three pounds with all things "FULL SIZE" case where the catch ' guys??
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#32 Posted : Friday, March 16, 2012 9:51:51 PM(UTC)
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I considered the matter carefully, it's not a bad option.
He sold in Israel, am I right?

Note:
Exos 58 it closest to what Catalyst weighs 1.14 pounds. So the weight of the bags are already pretty close (and don't forget that there's more than bktelist). There is no catch.
Considering the fact that I personally would rather go for the most varied portfolio for my taste, a catalyst. But not significantly.

Total interesting to see and feel how the Exos feel on my back but I don't know if more than that, but it's a matter of personal preference.
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#33 Posted : Friday, March 16, 2012 10:15:25 PM(UTC)
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Thinking about the aksos but the country is not suitable. The thin, thin strip of basin. In the talks cannot carry the required amount of water (6-8 liters) and is also too delicate for friction with the misle wipe should have "rubbing" in narrow passageways.
A good backpack for routes which do not have a water problem. And therefore not very suitable for the Middle East.
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#34 Posted : Friday, March 16, 2012 10:59:19 PM(UTC)
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You can cut a lot of weight 6 pounds. Like I said I need to change in order for the ultra light case will be effective.
Light isn't just the case.
And 10 pounds of water and food. It's more than food.
Actually, it depends. If you are in a desert track so maybeimtl40984.8331365741
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#35 Posted : Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:08:17 AM(UTC)
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Yes, I agree. I have something like 800 grams of luxuries that can be cut easily:
Thermarest weighing 400 grams you can change platib
Nemo pillow inflatable padded fillo of 300 g can be eliminated completely.
A camera that weighs at least 100 grams more than necessary
(Plus the variation of summer versus winter clothes)

Considering that these are my luxury items I'm not ready to give them up easily (if at all). But yes, you're absolutely right. You can lose more weight in a fun and easily.

Slowly ... I'm new in this field. Ninelives99 40984.9231828704
imtl  
#36 Posted : Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:21:51 AM(UTC)
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First you have to think about the equipment.
Bag, shcsh, tent, cooking.

Because at first I was waiting with a bought a bag. Because if you so easy just cases would be too large and oversized.
Need to look at things as a whole. Imtl 40984.9324074074
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#37 Posted : Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:37:45 AM(UTC)
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Missed the first post story here.
That's what I did. Upgrade everything and now I'm in the home stretch of the bag depending on the equipment.
I made instead of 910 kg 1700 g.
1170 g tent instead of 2000 g (maybe more, didn't bother to consider)
210 g cooking pot and beyond cheliot.

Except for the equipment and the ability to adjust to less food and less dating clothing I'd say I did a hell of a way.
There's more to download but so far I'm fixating on the condition that got him. Slowly.
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#38 Posted : Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:12:14 AM(UTC)
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I'd say 2.5 kilos of equipment allowed. Equipment your base as you wrote is 2.5 pounds without portfolio.
Good luck
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