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arthur  
#1 Posted : Monday, June 4, 2012 1:35:24 AM(UTC)
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I want to buy a new territory.

Right now I use a blue sponge mattress. It is not known how this isolated thing, I use it mainly for comfort. The weight of mattresses is 350 grams.

Lately a lot of people talk about space inflatable mattresses. For example , http://cascadedesigns.com/en/therm-a-rest mattresses, fast-and-light-neoair xlite/product/

1. weighing 350 grams

2. much more insulated mat-drenched space R value-plus 3.2 remote models.

I guess a lot more comfortable to sleep on it.

4. you can fold it in a small package that goes into a bag and not have tweaked him off the case.

I don't see any cons, only benefits.

Whether standard foam mattresses going extinct?

What am I missing here?

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#2 Posted : Monday, June 4, 2012 2:03:37 AM(UTC)
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Disadvantages:

1. not everyone is suited to spend $ 100 + on an inflatable mattress (no repair kit or storage bag).

2. reliability-inflatable mattress may atepnch from pain or sharp rock-X-LITE even smoother than the previous generation of NEO-AIR.
Anyway, you can't put it on the bare ground without any sheet below. Moreover, sometimes these mattresses come from Leaky, especially whenever a new model and must be returned for repair at the manufacturer (the NEO my past such repair AIR).
It causes short rest barast daylight can't use comfortably (as opposed to platib just throw on the floor).
If you are going to travel in a remote location this section locker can be very significant.

3. in cold weather, warm air that now before going to sleep, cold, and mattress size decreases over night (to compensate if you give one or two puffs right before going to sleep.

This is more or less what popped into my head.
arthur  
#3 Posted : Monday, June 4, 2012 2:14:22 AM(UTC)
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1. about the cost, I agree with you.

2. reliability after what even herded dry grass and Thistles can do to my tent floors I agree, but if you keep the mattress, used only at night and lay the mattress on a footprint material I think.

How do you keep?

3. even if the awwir cools, the bouncy foam mattress encapsulate more than usual?

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#4 Posted : Monday, June 4, 2012 8:06:18 AM(UTC)
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Hi Arthur,

I have the exact model you blink (XLITE) about 3 months ago and I got to sleep on it in the field (in a tent) to 10 nights.
Advantages:
1) convenience-even though I sleep pretty good, nothing to compare the feeling of an inflatable mattress platb (was on 15 mm). Especially if you're walking around. Pains in places hard contact with the soil completely disappeared after.
2) size-size folding half liter Coke bottle, in an area with narrow space, like caves and passages, when you try to save a file or like things depend on the case.
3) relatively good insulation according to the drawing but not yet tried to weather conditions of 0.

Disadvantages:
Thorns and sharp objects) have to think twice before setting up the tent or sleep out on him.
2) time-weighting relative (approximately 20 swelling Malay) and open it in the middle of the day.
3) cost-no comparison to standard platb.
4)-service official importer in the country as far as I know, so when will malfunction.
5) when sweating on hot days have at least expected, otherwise the plastic mattress becomes very uncomfortable.

Anyway see what's more important to you and it will decide as everything has its drawbacks and advantages. Warham 41064.2616203704
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#5 Posted : Monday, June 4, 2012 8:15:31 AM(UTC)
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To me, small patch, official importer (as far as I know) is Amy-not that it matters much the level of service, especially if you bought it abroad (prices in Israel as sharuriitim!)
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#6 Posted : Monday, June 4, 2012 9:11:30 AM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = me] to me, small patch, official importer (as far as I know) is Amy-not that it matters much the level of service, especially if you bought it abroad (prices in Israel as sharuriitim!)


Perhaps something has changed since you checked four months ago but then failed to send directly to the country because company policy not the THERMAREST products outside USA.
I wonder if they really official importer that saw these mattresses in many shops in the country but brought them only by individual personal import.

Also the original price not cheap and only sold visiting in Passover from USA convinced me to buy one.
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#7 Posted : Monday, June 4, 2012 11:30:15 AM(UTC)
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There are plenty of shops in the United States prepared to send a Thermarest products abroad despite the ban, when f MSR's products which are the same.

I use Regular Prolite weighs 460 grams and very pleased.
If I had to buy a new mattress, I'd go for the Xlite, although it is more delicate and expensive, because important volume. Vetis 41064.3547453704
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#8 Posted : Monday, June 4, 2012 5:16:28 PM(UTC)
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#9 Posted : Monday, June 4, 2012 8:30:23 PM(UTC)
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There are sites that listed where it is impossible or after booking form contact and apologize for it is impossible to send the product. I came across it at cascade designs products.

For example: campsaver site notification

Unfortunately, we can not ship some brands internationally. Those brands are listed below.
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#10 Posted : Monday, June 4, 2012 11:33:51 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = warham] Hello Arthur,

I have the exact model you blink (XLITE) about 3 months ago and I got to sleep on it in the field (in a tent) to 10 nights.
Advantages:
1) convenience-even though I sleep pretty good, nothing to compare the feeling of an inflatable mattress platb (was on 15 mm). Especially if you're walking around. Pains in places hard contact with the soil completely disappeared after.
2) size-size folding half liter Coke bottle, in an area with narrow space, like caves and passages, when you try to save a file or like things depend on the case.
3) relatively good insulation according to the drawing but not yet tried to weather conditions of 0.

Disadvantages:
Thorns and sharp objects) have to think twice before setting up the tent or sleep out on him.
2) time-weighting relative (approximately 20 swelling Malay) and open it in the middle of the day.
3) cost-no comparison to standard platb.
4)-service official importer in the country as far as I know, so when will malfunction.
5) when sweating on hot days have at least expected, otherwise the plastic mattress becomes very uncomfortable.

Anyway see what's more important to you and it will decide as everything has its drawbacks and advantages.


I'd react according to your sections.

1. does this agent even if above attach of the tent?
Do you think that FOOTPRINT can protect your mattress?

2. I sure is swell only needs to give him some shots at the end, isn't it?

5. I didn't realize, when you sweat it is in sleeping bag.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, June 5, 2012 12:41:17 AM(UTC)
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Arthur, although most say let me add.

1. best quality sleep I've ever had in the field was the first night with the classic neoair. It is impossible to compare the level of comfort.

2. the mattress is very delicate, particularly in the lighter version xlite (50 g vs classic). Purchase a repair kit and keep it.
No problem sleeping in a tent located on footprint of course after considering the location.

3. you're confusing two types-and self inflating inflatable. The latter required multiple shots but weight and size outweigh the first type I think you set (e.g. xlite neoair).

4. regarding the substance of it may be very helpful-not recommended for direct contact. It feels very uncomfortable, especially on hot days. In summer people who sleep only with warham sheet and therefore specifies that the mattress cover care in order not to come into direct contact with.

Awaiting sale or someone who will bring you from the USA I bought a pair of $ 200. Not cheap at all.

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#12 Posted : Tuesday, June 5, 2012 2:58:28 AM(UTC)
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Not everyone can find affordable air mattresses for example self inflating like prolight (you can find 400 grams). Air mattress feels a bit like a waterbed. In addition to the passing air mattresses from the points where lots of body weight to other points and it's what is needed for the body in many cases – many people with lower back not sensitive love air mattress.

Another thing I didn't mention is that known as anaoaiir Moreover

In many cases it is possible to compensate for a less indulgent with settlement. If you sleep well on platib, glad yours and avoid מ"להשתדרג" to something less reliable and more expensive. By the way, not all platib the same and something like this is more rest ridgerest isolated from blue.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, June 5, 2012 7:47:42 AM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = arthur]
1. does this agent even if above attach of the tent?
Do you think that FOOTPRINT can protect your mattress?

Never seen spikes that penetrate the tent floor? Especially in spring.
About the FOOTPRING, I know that floors coverings made of TYVEK paper and I think spikes or metal can still break through. Need to make a judgment before the tent.
Maybe worth considering as the previous shirshors wrote to buy most thin platb there and he put the bouncy mattress. This gives several advantages, also reduces the chance of puncture and during the day you can retrieve it easily to rest.

[QUOTE = arthur]
2. I sure is swell only needs to give him some shots at the end, isn't it?

In the case of the same volume XLITE should start only.
Have a bouncing mattresses only in 70-80% but it happens because of the heavy material from which they are made makes attracting the air at the moment of opening and therefore weight moves around 1-2 pounds under what I saw. Pay only when driving and not.

[QUOTE = arthur]
5. I didn't realize, when you sweat it is in sleeping bag. .
So this is, as I wrote before, my point was that you have to sleep with a sleeping bag or LINER of some sort rather than direct contact when there is a chance that sweat at night then there is no problem. Warham 41065.2009837963
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:14:29 AM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = warham]
[QUOTE = arthur]
2. I sure is swell only needs to give him some shots at the end, isn't it?

In the case of the same volume XLITE should start only.
Have a bouncing mattresses only in 70-80% but it happens because of the heavy material from which they are made makes attracting the air at the moment of opening and therefore weight moves around 1-2 pounds under what I saw. Pay only when driving and not.


'' Weight moves around 1-2 pounds "-not true.

You have proliit and domotia series (460 made the already proliit Reg Small weighs 320 g).

"The respect they may" is the sponge cloth, when you open the valve the sponge expands after a couple of minutes left to give 3-4 shots to full inflation.

The neoair should inflate-like sea foam is probably easier because there is a sponge.

I guess I thought proliit.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:16:09 AM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = me]
You have proliit and domotia series (460 made the already proliit Reg Small weighs 320 g).

You see, every day, learning new things , thanks for the info. Read about the series before buying the XLITE, but not the Fox because it wasn't blowing me think so, however the compact folding shape and weight, so I went on the XLITE.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, June 5, 2012 11:02:09 AM(UTC)
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Professional review of all types of popular mattresses:
Http://www.outdoorgearlab.com/Sleeping-Pad-Reviews

There are also lots of pictures and you can see the difference in volume between the mattresses when they folded.

PS-I think the problem is disturbing us Israeli spikes than Europeans and Americans, who are sleeping on the ground. Vetis 41065.3356712963
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, June 5, 2012 12:59:04 PM(UTC)
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Not even European vetis and United States the thorns are a problem.
If my tarptant was in the country and with Henry was getting repair my floor to see.
Small holes full of thorns.

P.s.
There is also a type of grass with Spitz, tall tower. Enters the tent like a knife in butter.


After the responses here, I think Alpine space walks not so suitable for bouncing mattresses.
After all, rather something less than reliable and comfortable inflatable mattress from Funchal.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, June 6, 2012 9:10:51 AM(UTC)
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Arthur,

After 6 years with proliit (with some trips abroad-France, Switzerland, Turkey last month on the HRP, 7 months in South Africa with a few nights in the field) and Pancho (touch wood), I can testify that this mattress. course requires some attention when choosing your bedroom space, but also often sleep the same Alpine grass.

It's hard to think about on platib (I had to give up my proliit to you live here and there).

In short-if you are willing to invest, invest-upgrade your bedroom amazingly, Alpine space there probably also feel the advantage of isolation.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, June 7, 2012 2:43:00 PM(UTC)
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Beyond what has been said about the differences between the platib (made cell foam) and PROLITE TMR he in soak of open (open cell foam) wrapped in cloth and without sponge NEOAIR TMR:
A reasonable compromise is to take very thin CCF (nitelight gossamergear) weighing some 70 c and below NEOAIR
Still not perfect but getting good protection and soak in the daytime without weighting
The advantage of NEORAIR over ndomio PROLITE less sensitive to moisture in-breath is a problem at temperatures below zero since this humidity condenses and freezes even in the mattress.
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#20 Posted : Saturday, June 9, 2012 8:36:58 PM(UTC)
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From experience, the best way to inflate Neoair is by a blower air mattress. This method also saves you the horrible hatamzzot that involves inflated and eliminates the reduction in size of the mat as a result of moisture freeze into mattress with breath.

To conserve weight of standard blower running on batteries built a makeshift blower (with tip I've seen forums BPL)-weighs in grams and consists of a trash bag and a short plastic pipe adapted to the size of the valve inflated.
I recommend to use this method if you decide to buy an inflatable mattress not.
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