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yairbunzel  
#1 Posted : Friday, June 29, 2012 2:08:11 AM(UTC)
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All the Angels for you!
2 children (17 and a half and 16) and leave for Israel.
The southern part is done sequentially starting with Rosh Hashanah.
After reading (almost) everything that is written on water?.
Is the fixed "atmanot" still active and if so where?
Is there still a free water laid ג'יפאים?
There is of course nothing wrong with requesting payment and probably also just use their services, we will be happy to help.
There are more than two months and trying to figure out what's up.

Thanks to all who can contribute to our knowledge.
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#2 Posted : Friday, June 29, 2012 2:57:34 AM(UTC)
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Enter here and read the updated list for now. This should get your confusion.

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#3 Posted : Friday, June 29, 2012 10:34:39 AM(UTC)
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Rosh Hashanah embarks this year on 16th September to mind early fighter for South
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#4 Posted : Friday, June 29, 2012 10:54:03 AM(UTC)
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Hot hot = start from the North.
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#5 Posted : Friday, June 29, 2012 6:44:21 PM(UTC)
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Hey shine
As I wrote to you in thisForum, to explore the South this time of year may be beyond the difficulty itself, very dangerous.
True, kids don't really "children", but still it is a very complex task that requires a lot of skill with zero mistake.
The approach should be as if you travel in August, it's actually quite the same in your case.
Suggest you stop a moment to think about what it means and the new port.
If you have further questions regarding the heat would love to help.
Good luck
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#6 Posted : Friday, June 29, 2012 8:24:13 PM(UTC)
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First of all thanks to all of you for participating, and the desire to help.
I'd really like with look at the plan we've built (after quite a bit of reading but still unfinished) and experience do you think is it really crazy.
The original idea was to leave in mid-September for 7 weeks in a row for (after some three days for heating). Unfortunately the bosses at work confirmed only last month in a row during the holidays:(
So the idea is: now every weekend to go 2 sections which brings us up to mid-September to Ein Kerem area.
From there 6 days (14-19 September) and trough junction.
6 days (21-27 September) from trough to SDE Boker and a day of rest.
6 days (29 September to 4 October) from morning to Horn and a day of rest.
6 days (6-11 October) from Horn to prevent and you guessed it. Day of rest.
4 days (October 12-16) and return to the Office.
I'm 50 years old boys 16 and 17.5, everybody fit and we are likely to be the worst parts of the South.
Taking water for one day and getting water in settlement or a family or Angel when necessary. The main thing is not to risk a shortage and carry more than 7 liters per person.
Going from sunrise to 10 MAX. Build tzilia for 4 hours and going until last light I wish I can go weeks/three/four later. Unfortunately that won't happen and the next 6 years children in the army.
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#7 Posted : Saturday, June 30, 2012 12:06:24 AM(UTC)
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Too bad you find yourself in July-August months difficult to explore. Get advice from experienced people telling you to stop and rethink.

I joined them. Warm September in the Negev

You'll have no luck to complete in 20 days (mid-September) 435 km (NET on the trail) Madden to Ein Kerem. The weather not cooperating in these months.

The Ein Kerem to trough (???)-for not coming to the trough. Do you intend to string and planning.

A string field is 8 days and 6.

The rest of your planning in the South is fine in terms of days.

If I were you, I'd take a month with Madden to and completes the South long weekends, Hanukkah Purim and Passover.

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#8 Posted : Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:28:14 AM(UTC)
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Thanks, yankele on tips. I am listening to the experience or we wouldn't be discussing this.
Also the idea of making the South payments worth checking out. Really sorry to cut the part of the South.

About the South, I'd be a little snooze have:).
What is the minimum I need to turn the southern section
Start in Arad in October is no longer a suicide?
(Try to negotiate hard at work ...). Of course you could fall to heat in October but then down instead of half a day calling for help and more water.


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#9 Posted : Saturday, June 30, 2012 7:20:30 AM(UTC)
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As the man wipe for about 25 years, October was unknown a month ago that trip pleasant Roughly speaking: in November I remember too.

If you leave the South in installments won't miss anything that is the big advantage of walk in installments : good weather, with no hard work and ...

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#10 Posted : Saturday, June 30, 2012 12:10:59 PM(UTC)
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Beyond what everyone said.

Call me weird but I have a strange perception that people doing the Israel supposed to enjoy it.

What a pleasure to do the North in July and August and missed all of the hives and flow? What joy there is doing in September that August less (see averages on the Meteorological Service)?

So even if the security light damage. Pleasure to be

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#11 Posted : Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:47:43 PM(UTC)
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You are right completely. But ...
Not everyone can find exactly the ideal temperature and ideal and age and weight and a thousand and one other parameters.
If you hit the road (way-not necessarily SJ) only in ideal conditions do not go out to the world. Right March flowering prettier and more pleasant in December. What to do?
The question is how to reduce the risk to a minimum without compromising on any issue or deny an unknown date (which is often the same, isn't it?).
I can hear the heat warnings in September and take them seriously. Perhaps I may be able to delay the departure for Yom Kippur (10-days into October). But let's be productive members. Say no fun for that will have you hot? This is another dangerous. Won't be moving too shchuavim muscles in the legs and back and backpack.
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#12 Posted : Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:20:07 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for stopping to check averages of Meteorological Service:
The average temperature falls at 1.5-2 degrees from August to September, and another 3-4 degrees in October.
Another interesting statistic: the number of days when the maximum temperature crosses the 30 degrees falls on 12-9 days from August to September and October 12-5 days:

Average number of days as the temperature rises above 30 degrees:
Be'er Sheva: August: 29 days Aug 20 days Aug 8

Sede Boqer: 29 17 6

Mitzpe Ramon: 17 7 2

Average maximum temperature:

Be'er Sheva: August: 32.8 31.3 28.5 Sep Oct

Sede Boqer: 30.7 32.6 27.2

Mitzpe Ramon: 28.6 24.9 30.6

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#13 Posted : Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:53:27 PM(UTC)
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Average temperatures are not promising anything. As stated: If I should go for according to your constraints, I'd take a month straight to Arad and the southern Dan makes payments.

The decision- Yours of course.

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#14 Posted : Saturday, June 30, 2012 7:23:33 PM(UTC)
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Hey shine
First of all, I'm glad to see that the discussion here is played seriously and as we see cloth: "I'm coming out despite the warnings. I deal. "
The data gave no indicate enough about reality for several reasons:
1. data averages are affected by extreme values. It doesn't mean you're not likely to see the season in question a lot more days when the temperature is much higher. September was cold one significant average fabric drop drastically.
2. the locales that are checked. Mitzpe Ramon SDE Boker and significantly higher than most areas where the trail passes. Beersheba even irrelevant that in terms of climate is greatly influenced by the sea. (Check the humidity at the mitzpe Ramon). I tell you, walking most days South of Arad you experience hot days by at least 5 degrees than forecast let SDE Boker and at least 7-10 degrees than predicted in mitzpe Ramon. As soon as the migration towards the South becomes so much more. After a day and a half, you're already in the weather. Want accurate data? Check for ein Yahav/quarry/Paran.
3. planning to go to 10-11 good in theory. In reality, on hot days you no longer want to follow. In the West and Eilat before 16:00 there is no way to get out of the shadow. That leaves you to three hours to go until last light. In daylight.
4. very important: mistake! The design which you build to finish the track at last light, in reality you may find yourself in a real problem. Suppose you are on the track of cockscomb-oedipoda. Got to go just three miles because of some delays in implementing the track (as opposed to design). The dark, the water ran out, unable to continue in the dark, no signal. What can I do? (Recommend you return to this example after which do this route). Want more examples. Today between beak nozzle stream grows, and Kurdish, Paran, cliffs of melody, uterus, etc.
5. roasting: not good! Shade provided by roasting is usually not full shadow. 70% shade is considered very good cooking and is heavy. Over 70% shade you are cooking. In addition, in order to be effective, shadow him to cover a much larger area from where you sit. The land is outside and it's boiling, frying in the temperature below "GD-2000. The ground beneath the roasting is still receiving radiation (because it's not 100% shade) and is warming up. Very hot. This solution is not good. Is good as SOS, not as a basic program. What can I do? Find real shadow that makes a cliff or Boulder, or crypt. The problem is very difficult to know in advance where the shadow that awaits you. In the afternoon, and not just a few hours to find this.
6. water quantity: on a summer walk in the desert, an adult lose up to 12 liters of water. 12. it's not a mistake (you're welcome to check up on me). True, you can't drink 12 gallons during the walk, so carrying 7-8 liters during the day and there would be enough water to fill in the blanks. You do not have enough to complete? After two days, you're already in an advanced state of dehydration!
The option not to plant this season does not exist. The landfills must be safe in 100% (not arrived because of two punctures in the problem). You should plant about 10-12 liters per person. No less!

I'm sorry that my message is worded in the form of "taking wind sails, but everything written from experience. I'm not a little guide of "Psycho" in the desert. The issue of responsibility for the weather very familiar. Had also gone several times "trips gear on your back" in July. I'm not saying they can't, I say can be very dangerous. And experience of ejecting people who behave identically (rescue unit).

Here is a list of what is necessary more in the planning stage:
1 location and must be natural shadow and instead fits in terms of supply.
2. absolute knowledge where cellular reception or not.
3. command that is available at any moment to pull them from the field and who knows the ways of getting peanuts. (Including those not marked on the map and the level of their crimes).
4. ability to design super precise rhythmic walk depending on space and weight.
5. landfills and quantities right odiot
6. physical personal messages. Need to know how to tell if I continue now I finish the story.
Most people don't know how to say it at the time, and find themselves in a real physical emergencies. Even if you know how to tell yourself that you can't always find a good place to stop. A problem.
7. There's a lot of things, but for now it's enough.

I joined the alternatives raised here. Sometimes opportunities come without knowing them.
Start doing some flybys of weekends in the wilderness in simptis dates. It will take you a long time to "Finish" the South.

Feel free to borrow my ה"התקפות though.

Jonathan
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#15 Posted : Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:10:47 PM(UTC)
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Brian, I'd like you to climb the Alps during the winter is not going to send you to. There is no single, absolute positive recommendation, you're going to put your sons, trying to find a way to leave for lack of time.

Nobody's forcing you but it is our duty to yell stop and give you a positive recommendation, never in other forums that are going to take the risk on their lives without giving attention to the recommendations against the Forum members don't end well.

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#16 Posted : Saturday, June 30, 2012 9:14:18 PM(UTC)
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Thanks again for the tips including warnings I obviously strongly coming out of concern for shlomino preparation. (Played I .)
I spent all Saturday tables in an attempt to push as many days since October. All your serious arguments and convincing and I wanted to ask what size they perceive in October?
From Arad to Eilat for 20 days if I'm right. That leaves a space about two days that there are days of 12-15 km.
There is also a section on the road to shizafon so deciding whether or not to go. My concern that once you begin to download sections are boring-it's a slippery slope?
Now I'm going to do some more homework with pillar (or have another suggestion) to see where the cliffs provide shade or shadow solid points.
Thanks again for all the caring!
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#17 Posted : Saturday, June 30, 2012 9:56:09 PM(UTC)
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I continue to recommend walk south payments because it is the solution in my opinion I hope for the sake of adopting children.

If you have a hot day and you have to rest in the shade not likely finish the day before dark. This October. And don't forget that temperature. They average.  All Wadi Naqab always hot

More than the "average" in several degrees.

Another critical thing: desert remains dry even when resting. You also drop off at rest rapidly and without feel. When you feel it might be too late.

Here are a few tips on places with "shadow", "approximately" half way each day. You won't see this pillar and elsewhere. Need to know the area.

The Division is the Red Guide (and shadow):

1. Arad and beer-rattlesnake Creek pteranthus two narrow ravines.

2. beer Echis to Strait of Tamar.

3. on the transducer head small crater crater mfar

4. small crater Oron-rowing and right streams meeting there with method wood acaciae still handle for the method.

5. garage Oron cannot be stopped in the event of a hot day that won't get before dark Creek oedipoda. Only Shadow Creek oedipoda.

6. parking for the Ben Gurion (due to parking).

7.-parking-parking in intestines shaviv.

8. Ramon farm garage-from computer (straying from the trail) there is little shade depending on the time of day, but that's about a third of the way.

9. Ramon car blends single method tree near Harmon Creek, this poor shadow in terms of hot but that's it.

10. Sandy tones back garage – deployed grottoes

11. dune wiper to Horn-wood is a reasonable method but not halfway.

12. night lightning car horn.

13. a night parking Brak tsihor-Canyon junction and Meredith. Keep in mind that hot day in the Mall and Meredith will also very hot onion and sweat like horses even while resting.

14. tsihor-shizafon junction to the Ashram (variance of kilometers) and several Acacia 17 kg.

15. a few fingers-shizafon Acacia at km 20 from 23.5.

16. avoid fingers abugida km 14 "shade tree with a typical".

17. to prevent copy-womb garage about 10 kilometers of wooden bed by 15.

18. copy-Netafim womb parking near the entrance to the Black Canyon and at the Mall, but if it's hot, so very hot even at the Mall itself, sometimes very hot rocks.

19 – Netafim in culvert (ditto about the warm days)

That's not encouraging but it wilderness if there was more that was not talking shadow.

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#18 Posted : Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:05:56 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = yairbunzel] thanks again for the tips including warnings I obviously strongly coming out of concern for shlomino preparation. (Played I .)
I spent all Saturday tables in an attempt to push as many days since October. All your serious arguments and convincing and I wanted to ask what size they perceive in October?
From Arad to Eilat for 20 days if I'm right. That leaves a space about two days that there are days of 12-15 km.
There is also a section on the road to shizafon so deciding whether or not to go. My concern that once you begin to download sections are boring-it's a slippery slope?
Now I'm going to do some more homework with pillar (or have another suggestion) to see where the cliffs provide shade or shadow solid points.
Thanks again for all the caring!


About October, inconclusive. Can certainly be reasonable days for walking, and similarly can be weeks of heat.
If I had to go in October I plan what I call "planning flexibility". Check the forecast for the week ahead, and decide which region, or alternatively do "FOSS" and stop for a few days. As the days warm relative-the area between SDE Boker to Ramon. Arad-area. As you are lower = more.

About planning against pillar: not good enough. Data base of such maps can give you a good indication of presence. What looks like a healthy can be detected as an offense, free and of course is very important. To give a good summer shadow at noon must be general direction South with little variations here and there and then the shadow moves and you're moving along with it. Usually if he's completely onach cliff to the ground you will have lunch. You should also have a "negative" sections.

About planning your days: Unfortunately, it's been a long time since I've been on some routes so I'm not going to try and guarantee the amount in any shade. However, it is not always who knows the route knows tell where exactly has shadow, sometimes next to shadow and track it.
Example: the save rivers-rowing of the unsuccessful method for my taste. In the River, at the confluence with big Creek have boulders and allow to move there 5 hours in the middle of a hot summer. It's not a pleasure, but there is very hot. Just as an example.

I have a proposition for you. Not an offer "healthy" but I'm taking the liberty to offer it in this case:
Catch some 2-3 weekends in summer and plan a relatively easy route to the South. At first No. Plan that details including the location were today (with shadow must be) and see how it is. To tackle head on safety! (Suggest you to upload here for consultations). Planning to go out raashon light (4:00) until 9:00 and 16:00-16:30 till the evening. Plan a short enough to allow the range accident to any part of the day.
Examples:
1. course Har Ardon, Ardon mountain day Hanin at first light, a siesta in tree Ardon, אחרה"צ deployed grottoes (you can give up and palms), saronim and mountain stream.
2. stream a bunch at first light and eye tracking (or jeeps or point heel), eye tracking (although there are water and therefore not typical of other sections, but when you're there for a little afternoon shade in summer receive idea despite the presence of water), אחרה"צ walk dbshon/level or upper eye tracking and worked (the second option-a bit long).
You can think of more ideas but say if it suits you. In addition, I don't want to suggest you ש"יחסלו" portions of the trail.

What do you think?
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#19 Posted : Sunday, July 1, 2012 12:24:42 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for all the suggestions and information.
Definitely consider doing one or two סופ"שים.
Walking in South hot months no stranger either. What's gone is the hike in a row with weight. In the next month we nthashl in the North. Also no simple sections (like the village press, etc) but there are more communities, shadow and logistical hinterland close.
Then consider stealing some 2-3 pieces from the South to see and to see how the design of water/shadow/weight/distance/time.
I make the table too detailed walk with points yankele.
And of course to go to freedom in October instead of Sarah ...
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#20 Posted : Sunday, July 1, 2012 12:59:59 AM(UTC)
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2 comments to yankele:
Section 1 – there are more than two points along the stream pteranthus shadow (not much at first – a pretty niche on the left after the River, and there are some pretty good points of shadow, also outside the Gorge itself).
Article 5 – the reference to River oedipoda. A second option is to split it into two, by reduction in stream.
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