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איתי  
#61 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:46:56 PM(UTC)
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Hey
On the first day you have a cabin in the middle of the day.
On the second day you can eat at roc de la peche (or buy cheese in the dairy, which is about 1.5 km south-two there)
On the third day you can bring in prolanion (but then you'll have to choose the low variant) or eat in barmettes (lower, shorter variation)
On the fourth day you can (really-would you not recommended) down to the refuge d ' entre deux faux
On the fifth day you have many cabins, but they're all in the end day to noon
On the sixth day you have a hut for lunch

If you have full-day recommend to go to [url = http://www.la-grave.com/summer/index.php-rx = 0.4] La grave [/url]

About an hour and a half hours from modan.
There's a cable car rises to La meije glacier at a height of 3200 m or if not enough track-numerous hiking trails
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#62 Posted : Saturday, August 16, 2014 4:41:31 PM(UTC)
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With the first day enrollment and given rise to by La Valette. Do according to track number of first day over friendly at La Valette, or he simply passes through La Valette to Roc de la P?che?

Plan to go the way I'd like to comment on whether:

1. > Pralognan Refuge du Roc de la P?che (via La Valette)

2. Refuge du Roc de la P?che Plan > sec

3. Plan sec > L ' Arpont

4. L ' Arpont Entre Deux > Ref d ' Eaux (including an increase to arpont Lake in the morning)

5. Ref Entre Deux Eaux d ' > Pralognan

Is this a logical division of the walk? Special comments?

Thank you.

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#63 Posted : Saturday, August 16, 2014 6:44:47 PM(UTC)
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We came back and wanted to say thanks for the post and idea.

We walked the course with Greece the clock according to the following plan (adds gross order schedule that helped Greece get post):

Sunday – start at 1430 from pralognan vanoise to the refuge and around 18.

Monday-walk to the arpont refuge, exit at around 0830 getting 14.

Tuesday-walk to fond d ' aussios refuge, exit at around 0830 in 1530.

Wednesday-walking distance to refuge valette, exit 17:08.30 arrival.

Thursday-back to port: 08.30 pralognan, getting around 12.

Advice and tips that may help:

1. fly to Milan because I decided to spontaneously (relatively) and flights to Geneva were very expensive. We rented a car 6 days 850 and paid a $ 400 fuel has emerged to the Aosta Valley and Lake Maggiore on the way back. The return trip took about four hours. I think it's worthwhile (financially and in terms of time) If you are over 2 people.

2. in considering signs-a whole year we (well, there was the Passover the Golan) were surprised to discover that the times of signs along the route were amazingly accurate.

3.-the level for beginner who want classic to get a taste of the Alps (and armchair potatoes like us). It is not difficult, very forgiving heights profiles including-very easy to find your way around and get organized logistically.

4. orders-in my opinion for so short it is better to buy the whole population (especially when moving without gear). The orders can be done in the form of concentrated here.

5. notes that the vegetarian-you can enter the site you mentioned, we added because we're vegetarians and worthy alternative in all cabins. Will state for the best refuge fond d ' aussios who made us and creamy polenta, refuge and the refuge arpont valette with lasagna.

6. the fourth day where we climbed the col d ' aussios was not rain. All drainage basin became a point from all sides and factions running the Central River overflowing.

The trail itself was flooded and we found ourselves going up within the flow path. Not a Bernina.

I note that whoever takes it not issue out into the aisle. The rocks were slippery, the water was freezing and the other side was very dangerous in combination with the short clips that need to cross.

7. seasonal timing-pictures of Jonathan and me speak for themselves. The track is also very good in August, but July is sevenfold.

Photo left, thanks again:

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#64 Posted : Sunday, August 17, 2014 7:49:13 AM(UTC)
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Yotam.
Dividing the number of days is:
1. Prolognan > Refuge La Valette

2. Refuge La Valette > Plan sec

3. L ' Arpont > ' sec

4. L ' Arpont > Ref col de la Vanoise

5. Ref col de la Vanoise Pralognan >

Rock de la ' and also for arpvent Lake were our Improv and thus dividing the days.
I recommend to go and then walking to arpvent and voice would be a little venoaz.
Rock de la Pash, I think there is nothing to make unless weather forces you (like us).

Dawn-welcome back, can you give some information about the cabins?
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#65 Posted : Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:22:22 PM(UTC)
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Link to the various costs in (you must select the name of the desired cabin): here

It should be noted that the cost for most shower separate from the cost of accommodation and meals (2 euros). In arpont and vanoise hot water limited in time, in fond d ' aussios and valette-free.

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#66 Posted : Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:27:44 PM(UTC)
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Dawn, very glad to hear you guys to trek in the end despite all the limitations (albeit short). I'm saving this for years to come (I think relatively easy profile and see who can set up pretty quickly).

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#67 Posted : Monday, August 18, 2014 10:05:24 AM(UTC)
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To me, can I get from la valette to plansec without going through rock de no Fasch? According to the map seems to be on the way. It seems the first day to la vallete is short and the second day is very long and that's why I thought to come to the ROC de la pash. I am hoping that you can explain the point.
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#68 Posted : Monday, August 18, 2014 12:58:40 PM(UTC)
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Being needed to descend into the Valley to go from valette beyond the ridge. There is a balcony that connects to the cabin aisle d ' aussios.

If you are planning to cross the Ridge without down Valley, complaints on the first day in detention in the valette lodge fond d ' aussios.
If the first day you descend into the Valley stay at roc de la peche (if that sounds too long can descend directly to repojo at la prioux) I think the first logical division – the first day will see the immigration and the second day is more beautiful without having to descend to the Valley.

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#69 Posted : Monday, August 18, 2014 1:07:51 PM(UTC)
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The route from valette to plan-sec in the first part (for pass) is a higher-down rock de la ' which is in the valley below.

In terms of distance is a bit longer than what I did (with Lena Brooke de la ') but he saves a bit on it.
Anyway, plan-sec is a cabin from a group of four that possible accommodation huts that night so I think it is better to do the fragmentation at the end of the day, if you see that it is too long.

The increase to valette is pretty killer, didn't do it, but the bottom (prolanion) it looks like a difficult beginning to trek.
I think you don't want to continue to rock de la s.
On the first day (in my opinion) should take it easy and let your body get used to the idea of walking.
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#70 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:01:59 PM(UTC)
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I plan to do the same next summer.

Maybe stupid enough question, possible to go there or lakes?

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#71 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:02:05 PM(UTC)
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You want!
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#72 Posted : Saturday, August 30, 2014 11:27:09 AM(UTC)
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Hello everyone,

In the usual Forum advice – went backpacking around Vanoise Parc two weeks ago. We walked in the path of six days, a little different from most of what's written here so far.

So below:-) status Hope I could use something to someone. Lots and lots of thanks to everyone who wrote for and helped us to reach and get ready.

General:

I actually said "we compromised on this trek came up with Norway, thinking maybe bike tour in Germany on the Dolomites again and at the end because we needed something short and simple to organize and not have much time, we chose this option as a default.

But what a great compromise. We at Tour du Mont Blanc, at Everest Base Camp on Alta Via 1 and Via Alpina in Bavaria, and the truth is that understands all the best the best ones enjoyed the Trek lately in Vanoise Parc.

Simple: stunning, tall, rarely dropping below 2200 m, isolated huts, and that it "fun" almost literally. Most days, we don't see any town or sign of civilization, you really get the sense that you go in one big Park, and all of Greece have sorry views possible. Join the fact too that it is pretty easy and convenient for walking, and these days not too long (see below). Really the only drawback of this trek-he finished after six days of heavy sadness "over?"

Getting there:

For all kinds of reasons, we decided to rent a car instead of public transportation from the airport. Because we flew to Italy, Southeast Park, so we drove to refuge de l ' Orgere. There's a pretty big parking right on the path, and you can leave your car for the rest of the week without any problem. Alternatively you can also leave your car around refuge de Plan Sec, but as I understand parking is 30 minutes walk from the trail (not that bad). Coming from the Northwest, would seem the logical course is to shop around, but I recommend Pralognan continue on a dirt road which runs South towards les Prioux to save some walking and mostly boring kind of altitude difference.

Regarding the price, we back-calculation back to two people in public transport is around the 200 euros, so the cost of car rental and fuel is not higher in the form * significantly *. However, it is important to remember that: (1) in Italy at least almost all highways are toll roads, and the cost to commute back and forth can reach several tens of euros, and (2) most of the navigation volume will take you from Italy to France via Fr?jus Road Tunnel-th. When we got there it turned out that the tunnel cost us 40 (!) euros one-way or roundtrip 50 euro if you return within 7 days or less (it is important to say in you want a return ticket of no return). You can bypass this tunnel, but it probably prolongs drive in about two hours.

The cabins (and reservations):

A nice surprise waiting for us is that some magic on the track-news Specifically, refuge du Col de la Vanoise and l ' Arpont just opened a few months ago (in the same area, but new buildings), and refuge Peclet-Polset is relatively new. In contrast, refuge de La Valette and La Fournache (and the adjacent ' Sec, only stopped for lunch) in the previous generation. This is reflected for example in the bathroom (darts in front of the toilet), showers (or cottage bathroom inside), etc. It's not like there's too much choice between the huts, of course, but it's nice to know what awaits you every day, for example, to plan the shower.

The way rates are fairly solid and 50 euros per person per night with half board. We brought us breakfast and therefore paid 40 euros per day EA lunch will cost about 8-13 EUR.

As for the food itself, breakfasts are quite basic and include some bread, some spreads, and some drinks. The more luxurious cabins seen serving cereal too. We are supposed to bring us picked some oats, dates and dried fruit for breakfast. All the cabins without exception have a kitchen to use, including gas, pots, and plates סכו"ם. For lunch, as opposed to other treks, so no possibility to stop in on my way, so I need to carry on your back some snacks to satisfy your stomach (or buy picnic cabin in the morning). In practice, relatively short days so it's not a problem usually ate "four little" when the evening's cabin that was enough. Dinner itself consists of 4 servings: soup, main course, cheese plate and dessert. Again the light cabins also serve home-made צ'ייסרים at the end of the meal, usually accompanied by foreign cigarettes. Who's a vegetarian can tell in advance but don't expect, for the masses: typically just received an omelette as the main course (although some nights I was vegetarian soup, like lasagna on refuge de La Valette).

We invite all the way very convenient site: vanoise.com https://www.refuges-advance fee of 10 euros per person per night with a credit card. All the transfer order, and they got it out the deposit account that even without being asked. Especially in peak season mid-August, and on weekends, and the cabins are close to Pralognan, wasn't taking chances and challenging. I was waiting with it at first, until I saw (above) was one the day before we were supposed to get there, and I decided to order everything. Especially the older cabins, meaning those who have been recently renovated, there are relatively few places and certainly can be filled. And since they're relatively short walking days, likely to reach the cabin before dark, and when this happens (and that only personal speculation) not sure that would get you nothing but send you respectfully to descend the mountain.

refuge de Peclet-Polset

Peclet-Polset refuge de

Weather and atmosphere on the track:

We went right in the middle of August. The weather was beautiful for the entire trip, except for one day in the morning and rained a little misty. On the other hand, a week before winter and even had snow on the trail in high places. So if this is unclear, you must come prepared for a scenario of summer. However summer days also won them in high places was pretty cool and we got dressed. Also the most are comparatively high (approx. 2400 m) and all was quite cold at night, and to get out had to dress up really, really hot.

In the first two days of walking (until exchanged across Pralognan) for relatively empty when we seem a little less popular variation (but longer), see below. However starting from refuge du Col de la Vanoise will be relatively busy path, and began to see the same people day after day on the trail and in the cabins. I guess it's mainly because we arrived in mid-August, and at other times the trail seems less cluttered. Anyway it's not detrimental in almost any form of hours people scattered along the path according to their natural rhythm and feel relatively alone with nature.

ההמונים שעולים בשביל מפרלוניין

The crowds that come to prlonein

Equipment:

Thankfully we are continuing the tradition of reducing and weight on your back from trip to trip. For cases that dated approximately 35 liters, and carried about 7-8 kg net each, including a liter of water, breakfast and snacks, and even Tablet (for movies). Of course it helped get a car for that so we can leave it all shouldn't be walking herself and it easily takes two kilos back. Regarding water, despite what you wrote here, it's impossible to trust that you can water every ten minutes from another stream. In some places the water was muddy and unpleasant enough never to drink (not contaminated but just mix a lot). So who's the subject close to the heart, the water in the morning. Also consider that the walking days are quite short, and relatively early huts, so you should take care of any leisure activity. Most of the cabins you will find cards and board games are progressing, but they must be in French.

Required required required to date map on track, although quite distinct trails and marked most of the way, but there have been several splits here and there that we had to use a map to get on the right path. We went with a map of 1:50, 000 covering the whole track (and many more), it's convenient, but there are places that a little hard to read because the lines density space. Who cares that we've seen maps of 1:25, 000 other people and just lists (one that covers all, except between the col de la Vanoise to the Arpont for this day only need another map).

To use, link to map of entire route high quality: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16334666/ParcVanoise_map_highres.jpg , and slightly lower quality: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16334666/ParcVanoise_map_small.jpg . Sorry about the quality and kiootz of the map, standard camera took this after ...

Track:

We chose to go six days, exactly according to the route described here under "6 day: itineray

Http://english.vanoise-parcnational.fr/fr/hiking-activities/323.html-and-leisure

Basically, the difference compared to the course of seven days is not passed in Pralognan (advantage to me: many height changes for no apparent reason, and a little story to find a place to stay). The difference compared to the course of four days is not the col d ' Aussois, which saves the Solstice, but surround it. However there is an option which we ascend to col de la Masse 2930 m height and keep top Rateau d ' altitude Aussois 3130 m, so whoever's looking for challenges and high vantage points – find it on this track.

We walked the track with Greece, as a reference and as recommended in this thread. In retrospect I think it was the right decision, there were a lot of ups, downs in which we were glad to be on the ASC/DESC and vice versa, and landscapes, it certainly leaves the best for the last few days in orbit.

The following day. The height differences are taken from above, the times I write based on the signs on the ground that it appears to us that the times on the site isn't very accurate. In practice we almost always those times, or at least stood.

Sunday, refuge de l ' Orgere (1935 m) Peclet-Polset-(2474 m height). 850 m up, down 325 m, 4 hours.

We got to the parking lot adjacent to the cabin at about one in the afternoon, we went out and got a scare from the cold a bit, we got dressed and went out. The trail starts to the left of the road where there, and immediately climbs steeply up to the connection with the GR55 (approx. 1:45 hours) and eventually the first mountains, col de Chaviere (about an hour). All that time follows us Spitz of Doran Family. What col can see on the horizon the first cabin near a steep and ב"שלוגיות, accompanied by halcla and later רוג'ומים and surprising field. After about an hour and a quarter what col reach new cabin, which from a distance thanks to all solar panels. Evening went to search lac Blanc that lies northwest of the cabin, and should be about 20 minutes, but probably because the combination of fatigue and cold couldn't find him back on our tracks. Not bad.

Monday, Peclet-Polset refuge de la Valette (2590 m height). Up down 760 875 m, m, 4:45 hours.

Start your day in the Valley eventually decrease Pralognan (but not to), and walk, but more views are necessarily behind us. After about an hour and a half to get to Roc de la Peche and Shoko, morning coffee + energy bars. Here comes a wide trail packed with travellers because Pralognan, probably a day trip in the region. We leave the mob, at least for another day, and go West towards the glaciers. The trail continues to swing a little bit up and down for hours until the last steep ascent towards refuge de la Valette (about 45 minutes). We ordered soup for two, we remove that can make an entire regiment, and after dinner we went to day-trippers West to Roc de la Valette. The path to unchecked, but if going down a bit from the cabin toward Pralognan comes to controlling trails, where you can see a path that probably some weak people, Great West towards the roc. We, who disappeared after a few minutes, but a way to walk the right general direction reached and viewpoint to anticipate on Mont Blanc. A recommended!

Tuesday, refuge de la Valette to col de la Vanoise (2517 m height). Up down 990 m 920 m, 6 hours.

Hard day at the track, obviously with no competitors (except maybe the last day if you go where the higher route). It's pretty off the decline of 400 m, an increase of 400 m and 600 m descent of 600 m. And yet, this is not a particularly long day, unusually difficult, and with enough stops in places anyone can finish it. It took us 2 hours and 15 minutes to get out of the cabin and get back to col du Grand Marchet, an hour and a half away at a very steep up to the point of connection with the road that comes from Pralognan and two hours and a half long and the media, but the incredible, to refuge du col de la Vanoise. This increase is of little Valley with spectacular views all demonstrations, Greece is one of the most beautiful spots on the track.

Wednesday, from refuge du col de la Vanoise-l ' Arpont (2309 m). 250 m up, 455 m, 4 hours.

The forecast promise us a rainy morning, and indeed it was. When we started to go was just cold, but indeed very quickly opened the gates of heaven and we got into the shower. Luckily the rain lasts about an hour and a half, and the weather has improved but remains a bit cloudy and foggy. Despite the rain, we arrived at a cabin about 4 and a half hours, which corresponds approximately to what was written on the signs, but much less than what appears on the site (six hours). Please note. In refuge de l ' Arpont ate a big lunch, we rested on the sun terrace and evening we climb up to the famous Lake is approximately 400 m above the cabin. Boarding begins steeply, then moderate a bit, and after about an hour of coming to the Lake. There we met three French predators who decided to get into the freezing waters, but we remember this place mainly for another reason.

Thursday, refuge de l ' Fournache-Arpont (2390 m). 505 m up, 615 m, 6 hours. (Doesn't make sense so it took us 5 hours operates)

From l ' Arpont the path taking us great panoramic route overlooking the nearby towns Termignon on the one hand, and the high mountains and glaciers of the Park on the other. After about three hours of power up and down, reach for it to Sollieres (but don't refer to it of course), and from there the track descends steeply sharply toward Aussois ski slopes. Two hours later, partly at immigrants, brought us to the refuge de Fournache, when we stopped for lunch, great catching (real salad! like country!) in sec. Fournache cabin Plan is the smallest we've seen fairly old, but cute and intimate. A Plan by the Sec, DNA people warmly recommended her to us, but we had in pre-order.

Friday, refuge de l ' Orgere-Fournache (1935 m). 265 m up, down 530 m, 4 hours.

As noted in this day there is also an option to go via col de la Masse (the Rateau Aussois and d), in which case rising 725 meters (+210 meters to the top) and 990 m (plus f on top), and it should take about 7 hours. We chose to go in the lower orbit because the type of flu that attacked us last night, and because heavy fog that covered the top in the morning, although it probably spread a few hours later. If this force is probably a good idea.

Anyway, the two routes begin declining West towards two Great Lakes below the cabin. Cross the bridge, and from there begin to get back to you with a total time of coming to split between the path comes to the top (right) and for surrounding her South (left). On the way we ran into a flock of sheep and a shepherd, and I actually was a little scary-sheep blocking the trail and when we tried to close and the dog began barking and close to us. We had a walk around the little lambs out for so as not to upset him too much. Anyway, we left and continued walking pretty flat about an hour and a half up to col du Barbier, where the landscape is already starting to look familiar and remind us of the first day and that this token falls, almost over this amazing trip. The trail descends steeply sharply into dense forest (first encountered throughout the trip), and then climbs slightly back until with two coming to refuge de l ' Orgere, and to our car, and finally the path.

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#73 Posted : Saturday, August 30, 2014 11:57:58 AM(UTC)
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Write great, great shot and ... Good luck!

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#74 Posted : Saturday, August 30, 2014 3:19:17 PM(UTC)
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Good reporting and photos
I really love to read these travel journals
Cool engagement ring
Thank you and good luck
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#75 Posted : Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:03:42 PM(UTC)
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Great report and pictures.
Good luck!
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#76 Posted : Monday, September 1, 2014 7:04:02 AM(UTC)
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Good luck!!!

And thanks for the report and patch-picture on the second day, rock de la s to I guess you ovalt East
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#77 Posted : Monday, September 1, 2014 11:15:34 AM(UTC)
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It is lovely!

Lots of good luck! You have a lot of luck that you share this wonderful hobby, it's not obvious.

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#78 Posted : Monday, September 1, 2014 1:16:46 PM(UTC)
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Great story, lovely.
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#79 Posted : Monday, September 8, 2014 10:18:56 AM(UTC)
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#80 Posted : Saturday, November 1, 2014 1:19:06 PM(UTC)
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Hello again,

I found a pretty good site that allows online access to maps of IGN, including trail marks, height, etc. Here is a direct link to the Vanoise Park area:

Http://geoportail.fr/url/7FFu6H

The site is in French, and I couldn't find a way to switch to English, but this kind of topographic universal language ...:-) You can enlarge the map to full screen using four arrows icon.

In case the direct alink doesn't work, the leor entrance is through the http://www.geoportail.gouv.fr/accueil website and click the icon of the IGN on the upper left.

Note that small paths "(whatever part of GR, as far as I can see) that are part of the course, appear only in high zoom level, of 1:13000, for example in the area of la Valette cabin:

Http://geoportail.fr/url/7FFu6p

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