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#21 Posted : Friday, November 2, 2012 3:08:51 AM(UTC)
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A lot of interesting information in the study of the American military: knapik
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#22 Posted : Friday, November 2, 2012 12:18:17 PM(UTC)
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I would love to get a copy to email: tididamtididam@hotmail.com.
The link to the wrong military research.

To the point, there is a difference between a drop and the landscape. The problem of the MEK with the width indicates he needs to buy shoes in the country-hard to find sizes and widths * supposed * to the fingers (Incidentally, some kind of minimalist shoes narrow width that is not a property related to hiking shoes).

Also, it's not just the center of gravity (or pulling back, what happens in normal cases is that the person goes is subject to compensate for pulling his center of gravity behind the case). He instructed shape differences between jogging and hiking (for me, I feel it well whenever I go with my running shoes without weight, yes?) and walk without walking with charger.
The guy from טיפל'ה AARN not precise: the study refers to is from 1986, not as updated, although the results are considered unreliable. Additional studies are kind of hanging around the ה'על shoe line five times energy required in relation to weight than on his hip, with certain changes between men and women, increasing impact as speed (one of the studies found * zero * difference in speed 4 km/h, but the difference in speed of 7 kph), and so on, though it turns out that at least one of the minimalist claims guide running is not correct; There is no one correct way to run, and preferably a thin absorber on at all.
Http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/myths-of-barefoot-running-and-forefoot-otherwise,

And as noted Daniel Lieberman, who conducted the study with the support and ibram is probably most famous for minimalistic shoes (http://birthdayshoes.com/results-of-daniel-barefoot-running--lieberman-research-beginning-to-emerge), right to run is not true. To quote: "in an email exchange I had with Dr. Lieberman he did concede that even native barefoot runners strike the ground when walking with the heel first. So it depends on which backpacking, walking, not running, may not accrue the same minimalist footwear as conoci?ndolo discovered his great benefits from running does. "
Http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/forum_thread_id? thread_display.html = skip_to_post = 596396 & 69720


Why go to mass Thru-hikers minimalistic shoes is first and foremost. The difference between a pair of my running shoes to pair relatively easy travel is slightly less than a pound, or if you want 3 kg. It is significant. But that doesn't mean they're running shoes ה'נכונה shape with a backpack with weight. Ankle support, ground handling and braking shocks is very significant. Who goes hiking shoes minimalistic normally carry lightweight (includes everything in one domain count). Not a weight. In addition, should also be careful-there are mods. I saw too much travelling and fractures ankle pain to know that laopanot has a price, and any travel that dragged them making the right choice.
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#23 Posted : Friday, November 2, 2012 12:43:53 PM(UTC)
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On the one hand there is a pile of studies showing what I think wrong, on the other hand, I heard and saw quite a few stories about people running barefoot to complete and suffer injuries at all, which I believe contradicts "one correct way to run, and preferably a thin absorber on at all."

About excursions, day trips (as already mentioned) I walk with minimum weight and VFF and it feels right, I had to do five miles of walking with VFF combined with the weight on your back and it wasn't terrible as you put it.
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#24 Posted : Friday, November 2, 2012 2:21:48 PM(UTC)
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I don't see a problem here. Some people running barefoot and it would suit them, and others who don't. And statistically better shock absorber-if thin run without it necessarily ruin (if that would be less energetically effective, apparently).

Per average has exceptions.

Oh yes, and three miles once is one thing (although I was starting to suffer from pain much earlier); But an ongoing effort with the weight, especially over a completely different thing.
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#25 Posted : Friday, November 2, 2012 4:20:43 PM(UTC)
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There are differences between to, it's something that's easy to see him and I don't argue about it. He resemblance between walk without walking weight with weight, I don't think those actions so that need different shoes are essentially different.
I'm skeptical about the need for and effectiveness of ankle support for the traveler. The raise of the heel off the ground (and shoe) and the excessive separation of sense of what's happening on the ground is what scaring me in the ankle.
The shoe is in my view part of the equation, not something separate to another category and I suppose if enough significant problems so people were not touring in sneakers off. It's not like there aren't any injuries with regular trips.
Hawks in Israel many people go hiking Sandals as root, i.e. without ankle support and relatively easy shoe.
Good ground handling is nothing minimalist shoe must be given up.
About travel in our weight-how much do you think it adds? My thoughts are there about the water that adds other hand said 4 kg lighter terms here as pounds off clothing that miles etc. So total 3 kg plus make any sense? (I put aside trips which should carry water for a few days).

The link to this article works for me than firefox
You can Google it anyway.
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#26 Posted : Friday, November 2, 2012 7:34:07 PM(UTC)
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These various actions. Ask any Bedouin Tracker: can detect traces of people with and without weight because the shape and angle of her stride.

Support-I've seen enough ankle sprains to be convinced. I think you are using-extreme formulations and places in this country that I would love if my shoe was disconnecting me from the ground.

The shoe is part of the equation to one thing: cardiovascular effort (and here, by the way, when the effort including the happy 2.9-4.0 becomes a practical gap of 2.5-4 percent between walking shoe to shoe-minimalist sounds far less dramatic). Is not part of the equation for a point load on the spine of the case and is also not part of the equation for point sprains and fractures, as far as I know. In fact, the amount of reliable information about the flu have minimalistic shoes of travellers is pretty nil (summary, not bad here: http://lowerextremityrev...-running-its-complicated). And the rest after Saturday. Shabbat Shalom! Yagil 41215.6920486111
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#27 Posted : Friday, November 2, 2012 9:57:14 PM(UTC)
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Interest in the context of ankle support formulations said I was skeptical I mean questioning and shared what bothers me in the ankle. Not aiming to rephrase in the extreme.
I'm not sure shoe lmshcl and the weight shoe itself has no effect on either form. If you put weights on my leg would probably your gait will change somewhat. And also the shape of the foot can change the effect of the weight of the shoe on the foot. Complex things.

A point worth mentioning-there was also a matter of perspective. Me for example walking, attention to body and some degree of a surface route that things in themselves important and I feel a bit hiking shoes for him. If it conflicts with is efficiency or speed walking or some trips and even with certain "built-in" I want to know about it, but that doesn't necessarily mean you choose otherwise. Similarly, I understand and accept that people can choose to go with massive touring shoe even if it doesn't make sense "scientific". Some people prefer a tent flap.
This does not mean of course that the proverbial "discussion is not interesting and important thing.

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#28 Posted : Saturday, November 3, 2012 11:06:59 PM(UTC)
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Continue where you stopped. I'm a little suspicious of trends because they tend to appear and fade away, or alternatively, to ignore. People go to a certain type of shoes doesn't mean much; Thirty years passed until people started asking whether trainers ' really useful ' conventional (Incidentally, there is controversy to this day is the fact that there is no reduction in the rate of injuries with the usual sneakers ' derives from or vice versa, than they are to function effectively, they enable people to cross the threshold and do much more without getting early transmissions). Take example of running-there's a lot more energy than world marathon Thru-Hikers all paths of both world and yet very many get sprains and other damage-and yet, it's hard to find a direct correlation between the various fashions in the running injuries.
Similarly, many travelers encountered thought it was fate that they suffer a region chafing your shoulders; It didn't make them think that tracks not adjusted right or a backpack doesn't fit them – change, that's what. Ditto for everything else.
Some people can go many kilometers with lots of kg sandals. I'm not one of them, and most people in my opinion either. If someone good with a minimalist running shoe, with respect. but it should not be the default.

About weight-up to very much. I usually take 4-6 liters of water per day, and sometimes more, depending on the terrain and the weather. USA took a one liter. My equipment is almost the same equipment to Israel and the United States, with about half the pounds to kg.
' AQA science, X ש"תוריד weight and lightweight shoe off X" is not an equation: everywhere the effect.
And as an example does not necessarily represent a comparison, I made a decade ago between the Mariners (today, the lives of IDF) locked the Israeli military. Although the Israeli lock was easier, in 3 km was considerable and consistent gap (which, if I remember correctly) in favor of the Marines. Why Or its structure when the manufacturer really iomart returns more energy; Or leg grip and comfortable suspension shocks more successful gave me confidence that enabled to run faster; Or a combination of both. Anyway, this is an example that sometimes not only the technical data of the weight are what counts.




* One of the problems in statistics is that at least some of the data brought in the extensive injuries, including calluses and blisters! Yagil 41217.0547106481
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#29 Posted : Sunday, November 4, 2012 4:08:44 AM(UTC)
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I total agree with you about the suspicion toward trends. This point of something to consider, but it's far from a winning argument. However, I am referring to the current konzanzus about hiking or running shoes as well as a trend.

About the default I agree. No sense to recommend minimal shoes for excursions to morglim people all their lives in a raised heel, arch support, etc. Makes sense to me to go first and gradually the problem (rather than just running) to bare feet, shoe. But as mentioned personally even after such a passage I daily in normal travel sandals and minimal and mostly mild and less trips 15 kg. I hope to try out one of the new options like altra lone peak in the future.

Thank you for the input about the weight. If so, you have agreement between 2 kg to 4.5 kg more weight on your back, exploring the country, compared to those who drank between 4 to 6 liters of water a day.

Thank you for the teaching and many references and citations of interesting facts.
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#30 Posted : Sunday, November 4, 2012 11:06:59 AM(UTC)
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The topic is very personal and complex, and must match the type of shoe (foot's anatomical structure) and experience habits (are tendons, ligaments and muscles are developed enough for the kind of effort required), and walks (fast walking, slow, plateau, hilly, Sandy, muddy, etc).
In general I think there is no shoe more appropriate and "a certain task type though I don't see any reason to take a minimalist shoe mountain track and then to stand all the way from stepping on stones.
The problem in most cases is cumulative and not immediately making it difficult to predict the future damage that can agerim by walking shoe without proper support, crafted or sole.
Therefore it is best to choose a shoe that immediate feeling good enough to find fashionable shoes.
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#31 Posted : Thursday, November 8, 2012 9:41:07 PM(UTC)
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Raises the issue again.
How about this as a trekking shoes?
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#32 Posted : Monday, November 12, 2012 10:19:07 PM(UTC)
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Looks interesting. If you have weird in a good way would update here.

Something else-the last weekend I was on a trip I took and sandals. In the rain and it was totally fine. But that's another story mud-mud entered the foot sandal from sliding inside the boot and it was really a problem in ramps. It could be a matter of degree, have chosen a sandal (needed some protection for the fingers on the front of the boot) but I think it's probably a problem even if smaller. Don't try to go with a sock and see if that changes anything.
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