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io_travel  
#61 Posted : Thursday, May 30, 2013 8:11:15 PM(UTC)
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Was published on fb Carrod de Foc's warning about unusual amounts of snow for the season (not surprising-much of Europe).
To leave early (earlier this season) to catch up!

Here is a detailed message (translated with Google.)

Chariots of Fire, STATE ROUTE 7, STATE ROUTE OF Chariots of Fire:

Updated 31/05/2013 by mountain refuge. 05/31/2013 Latest version fear them grade them refugios

ACCESS TO SHELTERS, ACCESS THE REFUGIOS:
RESTANCA: With snow from 1800 m/Snow Cone from 1,800 m.
SUCTION: With snow from 1900 m./Snow Cone from 1,900 m.
LLONG: With snow from 1980 m. Colomina address the shelter 2. 150 m. Coll, direction box 2150 m Contraix Portarr? direction box. /Snow Cone 1.980 m direction box from the refuge, 2,150 m Colomina direction box of the Col Contraix; 2,150 m. Portarr? steering.
COLOMINA: With snow from 2000 m (Narrow gauge railway tunnels covered by snow), Snow Cone from 2.000 m. (Narrow-gauge railway tunnel by the tapados Snow)
JM WHITE: Snow/Snow Sin
ERNEST MALLAFR?: Snow/Snow sin
PLAN SOURCE: With snow from 1900 m./Snow Cone from 1,900 m.
Amitges: With snow from 2.100 m (Lake Ratera)/Snow Cone from 1,900 m (Lago Ratera)
SABOREDO: With snow from 1700 m (Bridge Camp Lo)/Snow Cone from 1,700 m (Bridge Camp Lo)
COLOMERS: With snow from 1800 m/Snow Cone from 1800 m.

Chariots of Fire/disintegration STAGES of Chariots of Fire:
RESTANCA-VENTOSA: Snow continues from 1,800 m. wise: snowshoes, crampons Imperial and ice ax. /Nieve continues from 1,800 m. Aconsejable rackets, and Imperial: crampones ax.
LLONG-VENTOSA: Snow continues. Imperial wise: snowshoes, crampons and ice ax. /Nieve continues. Aconsejable rackets, and Imperial: crampones ax.
LLONG-COLOMINA: Snow continues. Imperial wise: snowshoes, crampons and ice ax. /Nieve continues. Aconsejable rackets, and Imperial: crampones ax.
JM COLOMINA White: Snow continues. Imperial wise: snowshoes, crampons and ice ax essential. /Nieve continues. Imperial Aconsejable rackets, and ax: crampones essential.
JM: Snow WHITE-MALLAFR? continues to retreat from the lake Monestero. Imperial wise: snowshoes, crampons and ice ax. /Nieve continues from the refuge until the lake Monestero. Aconsejable rackets, and Imperial: crampones ax.
MALLAFR?-PLAN SOURCE: Just find snow on the north side from Coll de Fogueruix. You can go without imperial. /Only encontrar?is Snow on north side, from the Col de Fogueruix. They carry sin ir Imperial
POWER PLAN-Fogueruix Neck Amitges: For without snow. The Port of St. Maurice snow continues. Imperial wise: snowshoes, crampons and ice ax, For the Col de nieve Fogueruix sin. For the Port of St. Maurice and Snow continues. Aconsejable rackets, and Imperial: crampones ax.
Amitges. SABOREDO: Cars from the Ratera continues to Saboredo neck. Imperial wise: snowshoes, crampons and ice ax. /Nieve Ratera continues until Saboredo from Col. Aconsejable rackets, and Imperial: crampones ax.
SABOREDO-Lots of snow cornice COLOMERS: Sendrosa. Imperial wise: snowshoes, crampons and ice ax. /Snow ledge Sendrosa, Mucha. Aconsejable rackets, and Imperial: crampones ax.
COLOMERS-RESTANCA: Snow continues. Imperial wise: snowshoes, crampons and ice ax. /Nieve continues. Aconsejable rackets, and Imperial: crampones ax.
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#62 Posted : Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:35:24 PM(UTC)
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Let's first of all thanks to everyone for a huge help!
Order tickets and we must walk in the Park from Monday the 15th/19th Friday 7/7.
Today whole day went and turned around between trips to bookstores and found nothing.
Because the need to invite the advance would love if anyone knows where I can buy a topographic map with trails of the Park marks!
About snow that should pose a problem given that I travel in the middle of July?
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#63 Posted : Friday, May 31, 2013 1:07:40 AM(UTC)
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Hi Eyal
If you're near HoD Hasharon (or Tel Aviv University) I can give you the map (actually 2 maps) of the Park as a gift.
Call me if you are interested. 0525225415
Eyal Elovits  
#64 Posted : Friday, May 31, 2013 1:50:07 AM(UTC)
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Great:)
I live really close to HoD Hasharon
You have no idea how fun. joy that there are people like you.
Call tomorrow morning, thanks for everything!
HarmonicWave  
#65 Posted : Friday, May 31, 2013 2:06:02 AM(UTC)
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Kudos to Amnon the help!

I think the scholar until mid-July there will be no snow, but is updated before you leave.
io_travel  
#66 Posted : Friday, May 31, 2013 11:01:33 AM(UTC)
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-Deer. I'm really glad that it's all coming together.
Your sound dates me. Sometime the snow-melt this year. Later than usual but mid-July has been surely will. Of course you should be updated before but don't worry.
And ... I would be very happy if you visit here when you get back and tell how it went. Besides the always fun to hear from people who have been planning and reservations and consult, I drive about a month and a half and it would be interesting to hear fresh reporting from the field! Thank you

And Amnon-just an Angel Forum! 41425.3357060185 io_travel
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#67 Posted : Sunday, June 2, 2013 2:06:17 AM(UTC)
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Is there any chance until June 23rd the track will be open? I want to make the Chariots of fire in four days!

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#68 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:37:55 PM(UTC)
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Hello everyone, my brother and I leave on a trip to Spain in August start at ESPOT ski resort igostorts Park until VIELHA, away we go towards skiing resort Torla, cross North to France and GAVARANI town high waterfall in the world, then back to Spain via the PIC RONALD Ordesa TORLA to park and back to Barcelona a few days back stomach.

I'd be glad if you help me with some questions:

1. hitching from VIELHA to TORLA is about 2-3 hours on the mountains with a car. With this bus to catch to take a half day to descend from the mountains towards the city of LLEIDA, and there catch buses to TORLA, as tested.
So do any of you experience rides in the mountains of Spain (about August tourist season) would love to hear more ideas or other ways to get to TORLA?

With someone familiar with the details of buses from VIELHA to TORLA it helps greatly.

2. gas balloons, buy in Barcelona before a sufficient amount in ESPOT, TORLA, VIELHA, places to buy gas canisters? Only punch, and if it's the same punch as Israel, or you need to buy the blowtorch?

3. we make a Ordesa circular route of 3.5 days, start climbing North towards GAVARNI in the first night (is it possible to stay there?), getting to 2 day and back to Spain via GAVARNI PIC RONALD until GORIZ Shack, and Vadi GORIZ to Ordesa TORLA's.

A. the question at some area is possible also in Ordesa and igoastorts?

B. What do you think of the track because I've never seen anyone who did it?

C. GORIZ Shack to TORLA-and we return to Barcelona, do you know how back from TORLA to Barcelona would have a direct line and maybe if it comes in the afternoon and was forced to spend another night in Ordesa.

Thank you very much!! Any answer would be.
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#69 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 3:46:53 PM(UTC)
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How long are you going to explore each of the parks?

How old are you? You might be cheaper to rent a car (but this will require you to agoastorts circular route).

In espot you can buy gas tanks from both if I remember correctly so in Torla.

Agoastorts camping is prohibited in the Park. Some leave trails into the Park. At camping Ordesa possible from a certain height (if I remember correctly)

Read here for more information on ogoatorts. 41436.5360069444 HarmonicWave
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#70 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:18:29 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = galinBar] Hi everyone, my brother and I leave on a trip to Spain in August start at ESPOT ski resort igostorts Park until VIELHA, away we go towards skiing resort Torla, cross North to France and GAVARANI town high waterfall in the world, then back to Spain via the PIC RONALD Ordesa TORLA to park and back to Barcelona a few days back stomach.

I'd be glad if you help me with some questions:

1. hitching from VIELHA to TORLA is about 2-3 hours on the mountains with a car. With this bus to catch to take a half day to descend from the mountains towards the city of LLEIDA, and there catch buses to TORLA, as tested.
So do any of you experience rides in the mountains of Spain (about August tourist season) would love to hear more ideas or other ways to get to TORLA?

With someone familiar with the details of buses from VIELHA to TORLA it helps greatly.

2. gas balloons, buy in Barcelona before a sufficient amount in ESPOT, TORLA, VIELHA, places to buy gas canisters? Only punch, and if it's the same punch as Israel, or you need to buy the blowtorch?

3. we make a Ordesa circular route of 3.5 days, start climbing North towards GAVARNI in the first night (is it possible to stay there?), getting to 2 day and back to Spain via GAVARNI PIC RONALD until GORIZ Shack, and Vadi GORIZ to Ordesa TORLA's.

A. the question at some area is possible also in Ordesa and igoastorts?

B. What do you think of the track because I've never seen anyone who did it?

C. GORIZ Shack to TORLA-and we return to Barcelona, do you know how back from TORLA to Barcelona would have a direct line and maybe if it comes in the afternoon and was forced to spend another night in Ordesa.

Thank you very much!! Any answer would be.


Peace recently returned just away, see values below:
First I recommend for complete vialaa by Puerta in Banco Santander, great if you're be sure to Merced principal me.

Hitchhiking is very difficult vialaa to ltorla, what you can try is to brbstero or try to ascertain of ainsa Park or vialaa if someone away or from heading on the road will be very difficult to impossible, considering the difficult situation and hardly expensive fuel collections due to the situation's not serious stop to offer participation in fuel.

Throwing itself to far have to Torla continue as stated brbstero and then every other day to have or once a day to Torla in Torla NET 4 km I did see the values.

Rpoachiotela asked price 10 euros in Torla see my concatenating assignment.

Buy balloons leave whatever brsa Hotel need or at the entrance to the Park, owner of Mr. Lucien rpoachia at riat my joy in running things, you can buy in Torla Torla Geass shop de has it all,
Be sure to brisit it is wonderful and very professional helps all you need is the only address that really know and when he calls her husband speaks English if you need

In the field above 2200 meters is fine — the height of goritz, 911 atzktnotevpark cabins have sleeping in one tent is forbidden under the specified height but excellent emergency cabins kept them in good condition if you need the park guards are everywhere, and should make judicious use is fine, provided that clear early and stay neat and clean.

Don't know how to open I Guaran? far was blocked and warned the collapse was beneficial, as the track has enough open lanes may need to rent crampons and axe snow check store Sandals instead and goritz.

Bus back.

Visitors Center at 1500 recall to proceed to Huesca or sbininigo Zaragoza comes in 1700 to oancea, sbininigo boss the other Division, keep away back to barbstero and from there to Barcelona, hard thrower and wasteful at the time, I didn't check trains from Barcelona Huesca or buses but if it's already possible, although she preferred spending the money and go.

More questions I would love to meet a charming itinerary.







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#71 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:47:35 PM(UTC)
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22. and, thank you for your comments.

How do I check about the transition?
How long did it take you to get from VELIHA to TORLA?
If you have closed another into orbit?

Igostorts Park-we do the Chariots of fire instead of continuing to COLOMERS from LLONG we continue from LLONG to AMITGES followed day till VELIHA, do we lose something to say a must
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#72 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:29:41 PM(UTC)
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Again thank you for your comments it really connects to ground.
We attach a budget and plan to sleep most of the time in the tent and ordered only two nights in one ropachio and one ogsterts Ordesa. Take your chances with the fines, unless someone in the Forum really recommend not to do it.
We wondered about the shape of the gas balloons are European gas balloons suitable for cutting heads have the land or to punch.
Thanks so much for your help!
If you know or hear about people in prinas and would like to share on gas and car expenses and taking a ride two witty Brothers certainly are. Give them to me!!!
Guy 0549732051




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#73 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:22:56 PM(UTC)
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Ktstlpni travel or while you're in vialaa if the property on which I ask her to check for you, otherwise, go to the mshrdtorist ' ?n and vialaa, they are very effective figures for you and you can call the mshrdambekrs of the Park which is located in Torla.

See the concatenating assignment official site and need to call there, once you are in Spain, of course with a local SIM, mlitzllch to take a deal with long Web enough conversations completely,.

Land communications with the most lucrative okal 03



Check buses:

Viale-throwing in ELSA's site:
Autobuses ALSA

The name can be LLELLDA or LERIDA.

Autobuses de vielha a llellda

Autobuses de llellda a barbastro

Avanza bus

Autobuses de barbastro a torla
O + broto

The time it took for irrelevant because I went to didn't know of Zaragoza direct and therefore some spent long, who was then the season some times.


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shaharellert  
#74 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 11:04:58 PM(UTC)
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Balon-no problem, heads there. Turla and oialla has both types. The very well-equipped Camping with them and got good recall of gas also available.

Although the law has no trouble sleeping in two parks in a tent (with supervisor and talked with the Director of rafiog '-it's not settlers and leaves a trail to fold the tent with first light).

Unequivocally, particularly to more than two people on car hire!
Rental cost is not high. We made a mistake in August 2012. We both saved and tniideno public transport. In conclusion, we don't pay particularly uncomfortable.
Example: drive from Barcelona to la guingueta (closest point to espot) about 40 euros per person. Small car price 10 days between 30 August the 20th day on $ 180 (of course you also need to calculate).

If you are not renting a car, I'd say concentrate on agoastorts and do a track. Stretch your travel spend lots of time and money.

Hitchhiking-we spent a few hours trying to hitch a ride from sbinnigo to Torla (40 km). In the end gave up and in the morning we were lucky and found a ride with an Israeli family. I wouldn't count on it.

About menopause-I find it hard to believe that the Gavarnie not passed in August. It is recommended that you catch in front of the visitors center in Torla.

Did the Gavarnie through Ronald and a track of agoastorts. Feel free to ask questions.


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#75 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:49:41 PM(UTC)
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OK you've convinced us, we hire a car at $ 300 for 10 days. This adds another two days and it's not planned trip great!
You can leave your car in the free parking in public areas?
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#76 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:09:16 PM(UTC)
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What $ 300 Two small car with enough equipment.
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#77 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:19:46 PM(UTC)
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You can leave your car in espot.

Have fun!
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#78 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 5:49:56 PM(UTC)
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Solved yourself with all the abuse on the road with buses and hitchhiking
Drive carefully and have a good time. You can park in espot and you can also get the car a little bit inside.
Good luck and don't forget to report
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#79 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 7:19:07 PM(UTC)
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Snow conditions update igoastorts (received moments ago, Friday the 16th site 14.6 FB Carros de Foc-):
The manned and serviced some of the tracks are covered in considerable quantities.
Snowshoes, crampons and ice ax essential
The message lists all track sections-there is less snow, more, some snowy height etc, some excellent sections having deep snow retreat compared to the previous days-coming soon-catch up on FB or the site. Io_travel 41439.681875
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#80 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:14:35 PM(UTC)
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$ 300 is the cheapest price for the best car Avis
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