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neutrino  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:26:25 PM(UTC)
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Hello!

I want to try quilt instead of k as I understand it, should take with ratingthis quilt lower (colder). So whether right taking 30F 30% 20F with overfill or? Currently checking options than As Enlightened.
If you want to tiilll abroad (Swiss Alps) which apparently happens in summer 2013, what would you recommend? It is not a matter of alpinism. If I want more than a single product, to match the conditions. In terms of the tent, I want to try tarp right now on zpacks's hexamid pulled.

Thank you very much,

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:33:10 PM(UTC)
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Come to a meeting Forum, you can see the equipment for yourself, and get tips.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:49:43 PM(UTC)
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As shmospim plus (overfill) doesn't change the temperature rating. The overfill meant primarily to handle reverse leakage over time.
While the volume of cells (Baffle Height) which is reverse doesn't change the temperature rating is not significant.
To change temperature rating modify the space where scattered feathers + change amount of feathers. As the Baffle Height grows (and considering an appropriate amount of feathers) that matches the bag/quilt temperature anymore.

You can take 20F quilt but I don't know how you can handle. For much of the year it will be too hot even in the open form. Ninelives99 41240.453912037
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:27:44 PM(UTC)
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Hey Anat, although common to think that the traditional loft determines how isolation and therefore add bookmark to baffle a certain height won't change much but it seems wrong: Add a bookmark to a linear value will baffle the ability his isolation though the loft will not change (of course it's up to a certain limit)


Recall that-hope/Micky fix me if I made a mistake and more details can find richard's blog on the subject at bpl nisley
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:35:37 PM(UTC)
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Yes, I believe you're right (though for some reason I remembered the impact of adding feathers less significant change the loft). Similarly make quality affects too of course.
OK ... Let's agree that everything affects d:
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 6:00:07 PM(UTC)
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Not only that-koolitim of EE that was interested, the BAFFLES (pockets) of relatively large fall flip and sideways while sleeping and created without isolation point (which is why TIM MARSHALL that makes them highly recommend himself to go to OVERFILL, especially that intended for high temperature).

Reverse amount should match the size of the cell.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:32:14 PM(UTC)
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The talking with Tim about this reverse leakage and he said ב2013 is planning to offer any solution to it (apart from overfill also helps). I didn't go in to details but who weighs buying may want to contact him, total 2013? The way to understand the problem in essence to be thin that sleeping on your side.
The problem stems from that open pockets in the corners. It deliberately to allow moving backwards from the Pocket to each other so you can move backwards to most places have them (or flip-sides if necessary less isolation), but some people stated it creates problems.

Regarding the amount and size of course-but as I wrote far less than people think: I remember at 250% MEP's overfill of only 25% of the contribution of adding insulation.

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#8 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 4:35:50 AM(UTC)
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IFOREX says.

I think TIM is going to change the attitude in KARO BAFFLES so that less leakage corner
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:29:17 PM(UTC)
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About the session I will try to make it. My wife:).

Thanks for your response, ninelives99 recommends that you go for the option-30F- 30% slightly overfill adds weight and price so if you keep the quilt over time, I think we should do the same.

Tim also recommendingoverfillneutrino41241.4399652778
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 5:45:27 PM(UTC)
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I looked at ZPacks's kowiltim and are much easier. For example,
EE Revelation X 5 ' 6 "WIDTH + 30% REG overfill weighs 208 grams and 553
EE Revelation 5 ' 6 "WIDTH + 30% REG overfill weighs 510 grams and 288
Epiphany 5 ' 6 "EE REG. WIDTH + 30% overfill weighs 475 grams and 438
ZPacks 5 ' 10 "WIDTH + 30% REG overfill weighs 376 grams and costs 320

All prices include delivery to Israel. What about the donation option?
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#11 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:32:20 AM(UTC)
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The Epiphany is not breathing and include him in the list of options.


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#12 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:40:34 AM(UTC)
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There was a discussion before I bought the my zpacks bag that was just about the weight thing (why zpacks's bag isn't really significantly lighter). Search for zpacks in the search bar and I think you get it pretty easily.

About which temperature to select, you can take 30F and tops add further heating liner. You can take but knowing that country 20F will be hard to use in many cases.
In a matter of miles for me should separate using land for use abroad.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:47:09 AM(UTC)
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Think in terms of cost/weight the EE REVELATION X is better. Invite him.
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