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idanz  
#41 Posted : Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:09:30 AM(UTC)
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I don't think it's a matter of replacing equipment. My gear-but mostly the case. Here I can save pounds at the expense of comfort, but I won't buy now UL file again. The Pocket has the most holes:

And correct me if I'm wrong — and probably on balance some things I'm not ready to give them: tent, crocs, deodorant, SOAP,. Perhaps food and water.
Because beyond that I don't see where I can cut more.

Attach your new list after tips.
Where from here?

The link here.

There is a mistake in the calculation of the clothing. This totalnet 1880idanz...41253.8860069444
easyman  
#42 Posted : Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:21:40 AM(UTC)
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Looks good overall weight includes backpack (I think you backpack weighs 1.9 buy here)

Strengthen and perfect and everything if coverage), 600 g off your backpack too heavy.

No walking sticks and shoes West of clothes I think buy a TARANGIA oalia Trangia Alcohol Spirit Stove/Burner +

Or thepot includesTRANGIA ALCOHOL SPIRIT STOVE

That must have been saved with her close so save Evie has ethanol cheaply. You can only buy when + and oalia protects wind or cooking set includes everything from very easy as this TRANGIA 27-3 ULTRALIGHT is the Mercedes of the ... choeliot.

Don't forget to buy two rubber bands reserve. O-ring seals for Trangia Burner- ...

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imtl  
#43 Posted : Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:24:31 AM(UTC)
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It's easy. Don't give up. Take crocs, deodorant, SOAP. You're going to smell. And where the shower will be there so why take SOAP soaps and things like that?
Don't expect to replace your equipment. The basic equipment is explained below in terms of weight. IE: tent, cooking equipment, shcsh. Your case just weighs. Explain for example why you need a 75 litre bag? 45 liter bag will do perfectly in the Israel National Trail (INT) and would consider half of your case. With back support. Already got it olteraliit access to and I respect that fully. You take too much clothing. No need to go overboard with all the rain and winter clothing. Israel isn't exactly a word in weather expected. Unfortunately.
Replace cooking equipment ppsystov with white gas. You don't need more than that. Cooking glass of 800 ml.

Why do you need two pairs of pants? 2 ndefot shirts short and one long Take one and manymore Fold sleeves if you want.
You're not going to stay clean. You go to a 1000 km. Get used to the idea that you're going to smell and sweat. It's my opinion. Imtl 41253.8967708333
Eli TheHiker  
#44 Posted : Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:53:58 AM(UTC)
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-It's olteraliit imtl more than anything. All brands named Dan UL is a sham.
As long as you don't change the attitude that only take the things that are necessary to the minimum, not the things you want, you cannot lose weight.
I'm one of those important to them comfort and extras on the trip than the weight and so can't call myself strolling and olteraliit still after several years of experience and with the full weight of bag came to include food and water for two days in Israel around 16 pounds with full gear without concessions.

To our business,
Unless you select a lot more money if you don't give the desired access and convenience doesn't come to weights that you describe here, so the only way I know to deal with these weights is preparing. Warham 41253.9137037037
imtl  
#45 Posted : Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:57:44 AM(UTC)
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Warham, you decided that one big bluff and that's your right. Don't really care about the setting of olteraliit or not olteraliit.
You decide thenecessary things are less the thingsyou want. If you think more equipment giving you pleasure and you in return are willing to carry it on your back so that way. I didn't understand what exactly are you trying to prove what you wrote? Harry said that guy has no money to replace all its equipment. But download some things definitely he can even take a 2/3 volume. So I really don't know what was the purpose of the speech except for olteraliit access latengach like official company representative here something. Everything I wrote was to change and false to access buy new equipment.
And if you get to choose your own equipment then concatenating assignment said was light amshklim base equipment that he and now you describe when I went down the path and then Israel had "a sham equipment as you like.
So I have a little experience and I try to aim as it eyes guy to enjoy the journey. Imtl 41253.9178125
easyman  
#46 Posted : Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:06:38 AM(UTC)
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I think we should and invest in quality as olteraliit or white tarptant

Or THERM A REST mattress for example lose weight basic equipment

Backpack, tent, or my preference ש"קש quilt + Leiner, Harrier and so can take another essential equipment,

To also invest in quality cooking equipment and clothing quality and easy like this one can explore fun

And good for equipment and travel and all weather conditions.

It is forbidden to give up a first-aid kit for each situation.

It is forbidden to pass on basic hygiene.

And survival kit and basic repair.

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Eli TheHiker  
#47 Posted : Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:14:36 AM(UTC)
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Imtl-not completely understanding the meaning in the bluff was a lightweight bag designed for 10 pounds because did not drop the weight if the General load all the standard equipment of pounds only to crack and break. It's a matter of attitude and olterliit equipment.

By the questions and the list, there's not much experience in the long trails and so he won't give up easily on equipment that he cares about other people's experience with no personal experience, it's my opinion.

Therefore if it is so you can take a smaller bag and not lose a lot of weight and therefore rather focus on physical preparation. Warham 41253.9283912037
idanz  
#48 Posted : Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:16:18 AM(UTC)
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I thank you very much for the information.
Imtl-definitely going your way. But it's hard for me to do automatic leap of faith and give up things today I thought they were necessary.
My attitude changed the second build up experience from people like you and the guys here on the Forum.
In total this is the first serious trip I do in life and where to improve.
My case I chose him. He was here at home and man enough that I wouldn't trade it for anything else. Then suffer a little. At least the terminology Bank.
The rest of the equipment in the base put the best in terms of Bang for the buck. I replace it in the future.

However, from what you say, I'm going to focus on things that are more liquid – clothing, equipment and accessories.
Bottom line it says download and t-shirt, wipes and deodorant. There are other things that I missed? Idanz 41253.9296990741
easyman  
#49 Posted : Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:22:23 AM(UTC)
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Pass on your backpack. I suggest before you go on a journey

Practice walking if the equipment, get used to teach him, learn to Cook, get used to the shoes.

Do fitness clothing, ought to open the tent and you will learn how to set up and fold too fast in rain conditions consult do so boot camp for at least a month will field guide.

Learn first aid, basic survival, make small trips. And concludes before the journey (journey beret)

Slowly ... And most importantly consult here on the Forum.

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imtl  
#50 Posted : Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:22:56 AM(UTC)
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Warham case, as you pointed out we agree completely. Also the General equipment access. Definitely have to cut in the weights of all the equipment. That's why I suggested guy take a bag that is two-thirds the volume according to the motto of taking more volume filled with him till the end. Medium volume minus at least things will be.

Say ... Is it just me or is amshklim fatigue and calculated in the table do not add up. For some reason it seems like 8.5 pounds. But I guess I'm just tired and I missed something.
imtl  
#51 Posted : Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:23:57 AM(UTC)
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Oh yes, definitely you should go with the bag on my back for at least two weeks before with efforts accordingly. You also start the South then you have relative fitness to start.
idanz  
#52 Posted : Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:29:17 AM(UTC)
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Tomorrow I leave for a two-day trip and crater. Don't have all the gear I bought and we will be with the car, but yet I take the big bag and something like 12-13 pounds with the case tomorrow.
Shoes of course I'm going to take it with them every day.
There are other things to try?
Tastes to take walking sticks?
Eli TheHiker  
#53 Posted : Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:38:31 AM(UTC)
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"There is reason to take walking sticks?" I think Yes, here it is better to learn from the experience of adults and experienced rather than from personal experience that it's too late.

"There are other things to try?
Socks, bottom-it is important to get used to not be rubbing.
Map, GPS or any other tool that helps orient (lead only and rely on others)
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#54 Posted : Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:32:13 AM(UTC)
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. Walking breaks 41493.5826157407
easyman  
#55 Posted : Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:57:10 AM(UTC)
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Unfortunately most Israelis travelling around the world, including in Israel

Leave excess self-confidence is probably from the Army (it's not as if you're even Army Ranger) and stark or a nature hike is child's play.

But nature has its own rules and need to prepare properly and be ready, equipment, information,

Do not underestimate the nature to hear the instructions if this nature reserve, keep the rules written and unwritten keep on 99.93 driveways and treat courtesy and respect to other travellers.

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idanz  
#56 Posted : Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:07:34 PM(UTC)
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Walking and easy thanks for the tips. I take everything said but points.
Thank God I'm not suffering from an excess of confidence that the military has not given me one:-)
I build all tip top with preparations for extreme cases and of course the walk strategy. There are a couple of months until I started walking, I'm counting the day sections.
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#57 Posted : Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:46:07 PM(UTC)
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Read some thread and I recommend to purchase a coat closer to departure time. Minus five in the Negev is rare. Long-term projections are most likely recommendation above 50%.

A coat? I went with a NORTH FACE fleece and would need only in the morning. Night served as a pillow. However I can't stand.

idanz  
#58 Posted : Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:20:08 PM(UTC)
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יענק'לה does it matter if he buy now or in a month/month and a half?
And what you had periods of brass? I think February will be very cold in the desert.
I averaged the sensitivity to cold. And yet I think I freeze with brass and a shirt.
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