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הלך עברי  
#1 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:16:48 PM(UTC)
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Hello everyone.

I'd love to hear and learn;

How about a km open-sided holder (for login/logout on both sides, and can use both hands out of the bag)?

How do you act as k crafted swallow-tailed ("individual") compared to a standard Mummy bag in aspects of keeping warmth and comfort?

Assuming specified old brass Hat source, is the hood is an edge (preserves heat), or disadvantage (less convenient, especially if you turn your head to the side when you're asleep)?

And in General, how would your bag looks if you planned it in yourself?

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#2 Posted : Friday, December 28, 2012 12:02:33 AM(UTC)
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Zipper on both sides can be inconvenient, especially if you sleep two people.
Haven't tried separate but a foot sounded kinda sucks like with clothes, not "blanket":)
A hood is always good in front of you can put a hat in addition to hood.
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#3 Posted : Friday, December 28, 2012 2:36:14 PM(UTC)
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I don't know about a bag. If I plan to, my intuition says you like better clothing multilayer kg. That way you can take one layer two or three depending on the conditions. Besides, my main problem is I can not fully within, and is not completely turned to me. I have no idea what might solve the problem.

Zippers on both sides? Provided they are short and covered to avoid escaping heat. A hood is useful. If you don't want to get into my head, I thrust into clothes as a pillow.

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#4 Posted : Friday, December 28, 2012 5:47:31 PM(UTC)
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I went to quilt time most narrow feet that uncomfortable.

It's a pleasure to quilt and problem of zipper stuck or broken.  (If leg Pocket) that weighs less. No Hat Cap backwards.

And warm just like ש"קש even at 10 degrees. Despite the advantage of that is denser but inside the tent is definitely warm quilt

But look at this interesting also above upside down and ש"קש.  ExpedDreamWalker 650 .-for sleeping, walking, wearing

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#5 Posted : Friday, December 28, 2012 10:18:38 PM(UTC)
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Thank you to everyone.

The link-good idea (especially if waterproof accessory also wind and rain).

Two-sided opening may be advantageous in case of faulty zipper (the second chance!).

A question regarding whether the use quilt binding inflatable mattress or thick mattress, because the herd lay under the body?
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#6 Posted : Friday, December 28, 2012 10:33:34 PM(UTC)
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Indeed have a mattress under the quilt. I have a quilt that connects Cozumel to his mattress.

All mattress and quilt backs have had a mattress, and ש"קש should be the ground insulation mat inserts and warming himself.

I use an inflatable mattress is very comfortable and lightweight you can also use platib's just better thick.

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#7 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 3:37:38 AM(UTC)
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Two-sided opening — not likely because it adds weight. Basically you get two kowiltim are connected, and to isolate the connection point has both insulating sleeves and two zips and the addition of stitches, more and more weight.

About/SAC: Calne, in various designs. As with individual insulation (also it has, for example here: http://www.backpacker.co...lkbag-g-lite,/gear/15994 or here: http://www.musucbag.com/en/public/adults.html) but mostly as sleeping bag with sleeves (including mantel's special model/km http://thelook.today.com...03/26/10780437-homeless, sleeping-bag-designers-TZ-transforms-and-warms and detroits-homeless-lite?). The problem is, as usual.
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#8 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 5:21:43 PM(UTC)
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Thank you very much.

The reference is to two short zippers instead of one long (to perform various operations without having to get out of the sack).

I'd like to try the development first, especially if you can pull your hands. Increasing surface bring to increase weight loss, but on the other hand, the extra space is reduced.

In my opinion, one of the most important requirements of convenient bag winter cook them long nights hanging out inside. Extra weight may be detected as zero, because the option to give up an article of clothing.

Neither Keeling, the question of whether the better lets roll in it easily, rather than that the reversed with the old.

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#9 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 7:57:35 PM(UTC)
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As a rule if you want better thermal efficiency to reduce shcsh size and the whole body would be 1. That's why, for example, that warmer than GLOVE MITTEN (i.e. no fingers are separated) because it allows your fingers to end each other etc. The extra size really doesn't narrow that to be immobilized with sleeves have a larger structure (ARTICULATED) against which you sleeping bag like a mummy without motive.
Therefore necessarily shcsh with sleeves etc (!) shcsh hot like without that is less effective scam!!!
Agree that btheoria you can skip a jacket etc. .. (Take a look at STEVE's trying the his mouth NUNATAK RAKU
It can work in my opinion the problem is not entirely clear how comfortable you feel right to wear your shcsh during the day or in CAMP that if something happened to him. Severe condition. .... But certainly an interesting idea.

Another method that GLEN VAN PESKI uses is that he uses the QUILT and take a raincoat extra large relative then wearing the QUILT inside/under my coat thus reverse jacket spring look here and see how it looks.

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#10 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 11:04:27 PM(UTC)
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Micky thank you both for explaining the teaching and videos.

Sleeves that converge in my opinion are a great idea, developed two options; The session and convened and warming. DrawString leg crunch in my opinion less effective due to heat loss and because of necessity.

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#11 Posted : Thursday, January 3, 2013 5:17:27 AM(UTC)
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Ah, Yes. The atmospheric. If I had more money, I'd buy myself one. Anyway, to me a very good reason why one sleeping bag that probably will never replace my above: I made sure that one of my synthetic insulation layers. The reason is that if we have an accident with insulation, and water falls almost to zero. If I get stuck in a situation where I have no serious insulation layer worth when wet, I'm in trouble (not to mention a moisture buildup in reverse bag also serves as a coat every day). Therefore, if paranoia reasons only, I don't see a situation where I'm taking just one main item of insulation for cold-weather sleeping bag upside down and synthetic jacket.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, January 3, 2013 10:44:26 AM(UTC)
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With regard to materials, the material about thought is brass-love to hear arguments against this choice.

Why brass?

This is a recycled material, production does not involve inflicting pain.

The brass shows itself in many products as efficient and lightweight insulating.

Is nice, and I think we are not hypoallergenic.

It is a solid material, we may wander in the interiors that prevents apparent weaknesses.

In addition, uniformity of the material eliminates the need for a basic support structure. Therefore, far as I can see, almost all the mass of material constitute a useful cargo, as opposed to relying on a sack.

Brass may reject water, and dries relatively quickly after wetting. You can also increase resistance to penetration (I don't know how this is done).

The brass is easy to store, and catching us mass to other bag.

This is an easy material for processing, and even cheaper.

As mentioned, I'd love to hear conflicting opinions. Thank you.

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#13 Posted : Thursday, January 3, 2013 11:12:52 AM(UTC)
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Note that brass (no membrane or nylon outer layer) is not resistant to wind, period; And brass wind resistant, normally warms less or heavier or both. At that time I went from brass to synthetic coat of Julie weight considerations: synthetic insulation of Polarguard was lighter and heat better than brass. Although the brass, no doubt, going better in the years vicissitudes.
Anyway, brass not used any sleeping bag that we as an exclusive summer – both because compared to synthetic insulation or is less isolated, and because it is completely waterproof and wind to make a sleeping bag brass wind resistant, very expensive and quite unnecessary.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, January 3, 2013 1:09:32 PM(UTC)
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Yagil, thanks for the info, I'd like to hear your opinion and others-my answers to your argument:

-If we assume that the tent is the suspension, will still be completely negated the use of brass?

Insulation-I think it is possible to compensate for the disadvantage in isolation with added material in critical areas. Brass Unicorn coat slept India layer, issuers of different insulation levels. True, extra weight may be up to making the product without worthwhile. However, the only acceptable fill bag manufacture. I don't know what the efficiency coefficient between brass and filling. But in light of the foregoing, if the promoter does not exceed 1:3, we should consider its use; In this case that the brass would be heavy, but other advantages.
Am I wrong?


Thanks to all respondents.

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#15 Posted : Thursday, January 3, 2013 1:35:58 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = went Hebrew]. However, the only acceptable fill bag manufacture.


In my opinion non-scholar, is the root of your mistake-filled bag (be it upside down or synthetic replacement) is used as a catch volume (such as creating LOFT). Real insulation layer of air trapped in that serves as the primary remote.

Therefore, you can effectively sack him must be deployed some time before bedtime and let it swell.

The use of brass may not be bad for the country, but relative weight-insulation will be inferior in relation to other bag.
Anyway, it sounds like a nice update us pounds your progress.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, January 3, 2013 3:03:27 PM(UTC)
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Gone,

Choose what aramonik said: compared to the unit of weight is roughly:
Make about 800 clo/1.68 oz/yd ^ 2
Best synthetic insulation (CLIMASHILED) about CLO/0.82 OZ/YD ^ 2
Isolation of Sinti (PRIMALOFT1) about clo/0.74 oz/yd ^ 2
POLARTEC300 about 0.11 OZ/CLO/YD ^ 2

I.e. the relationship to enable isolation between brass weight unit are 15 times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ד"א-why you don't notice this treatment in iomium is that there's always more fabric (i.e. reverse not stands alone) and ritzrtzim and at temperatures not crazy (that is to say c) ratio of weight shcsh weight in everything that isn't is roughly 1:1 or maybe a little better (i.e. say 400 g to 300 g fabric upside + rizertz etc)

If you think about it-my shcsh ease Governor to minus 5 Celsius weighs 550 grams. Now look at say about brass suit without sleeves, without headgear and not cover the feet and weighs 440 grams.

I'm back (!):
Can I sleep naked (!) in shcsh weighs 550 grams at minus five
I could probably freeze like crazy in brass suit at a temperature of + 10° c have no headgear, no socks, no sleeves and penetrates ... ...

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#17 Posted : Thursday, January 3, 2013 3:32:01 PM(UTC)
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In addition the "filler" not accurate:
1) slept (not sure what the term Hebrew professional. Boundry layer called in English) is a layer of air adjacent to shcsh coverage from outside (!) adds about 0.4 CLO. It is related to the effects of flow minrit (flow of each other. This is a model relevant to low speeds, liquid and gas. Turbulence).
2 the lock) only within the fabric of the shcsh (BAFFLE) adds value of about 0.6

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#18 Posted : Thursday, January 3, 2013 4:07:51 PM(UTC)
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Giora (just now noticed. Thanks:)

Now I'm reading again your reasons for brass and respond to organized (by the way, please don't take my sarcasm sometimes spontaneous personal statement against you or anything)
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1) is returned. I would check the energy balance and the CARBON FOOTPRINT. I'm not (!) know the answer but many recyclable materials take into account the amount of energy required for recycling and air pollution generated by the production of energy.
The BUZZWORD that you seek is not RECYCLING "
1 +) even better than synthetics (PRIMALOFT ECO for example) are recycled
1 ++)-important and interesting discussion. Most make today in industry is a by-product of the food industry. It is clear that the animals suffer in the food industry (probably suffer very much), but they don't stop to suffer unless we buy flip who downloaded from their bodies.
1 +++) there is another option. Kastos manufacturers have offered flip manual flip collected animals Shilo (really!!) this course scorecards that idiot needs to manually run on ashla period (summer) and search. At the time, to TOM in Terence's reverse NUNATAK EIDER (considered the best in the world!) kind collected by inspectors in Canada. Only the price calculated for the shcsh I wanted was 3000דולר (compare to 600 paid to enable normal:) 900
2) effective lightweight????? Not at all! Mechanical resistant (cuts, pricks etc), waterproof, and very cheap!!
3) nice body-cover fabric you choose to shcsh normal can also be very nice.
3 +) make non-allergenic food hypoallergenic. Dust mites collected on Flip's Yes (!), but make sure you buy today is going through steam cleaning treatment and therefore not a problem.
3 solid material-OVERFILL) ktem in backwards off the corner. If you don't want you for synthetic FILAMENT CONTINUOUS like CLIMASHIELD ordered layer also comes
4). But because the "15 times" before the benefit.
5)-... Kind of. As mentioned there are synthetic fills and today also has reversed with treatment, such as nanocoatings technology very water-repellent. Still no doubt whether it is possible to apply insane to squeeze the brass helps. But it's not shcsh aniesi in a real case.
6) the contrary! Wind resistant fleece sweater also. Improve it adds layers in the middle. It's just like the fabric of shcsh
7) volume-and it has been so wrong it's like Division by zero:)
Come home and compare the size of my shcsh flip when he shrinks and then taking say 5 brass jacket + fleece + fleece socks pants + brass hats-it's about what you need to sleep at minus 5 Celsius. Then explain to me how it occupies less volume!!!
(Notice I said. The METABOLIC RATE decreases during sleep compared to strong rotation/walk)
8) agree completely. Although talk QUILT made from a company they explain that CLIMASHIELD (it's all teforev insulation layer between two layers of fabric in a square shape)
9, so if you'd like to hear) opinions. ... So hope joy41277.5485532407 MikeC
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#19 Posted : Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:04:45 PM(UTC)
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Yair and Miki thanks for replies from invest and teach.

I don't know if I understood everything (joint trip to the United States to explain Einstein oiitzman relativity theory for several days after the cruise Weizmann replies whether the calls they made him understand. "Sure," said Weizman: "now I understand Einstein really knows what he's talking about.") so try a recap on my tongue, the layman:

First, the process: the body warms the surrounding air. The air trapped in the fibers, cannot escape the cold environment, so we catch cold. Consequently the air lock adds a warm, the temperature reaches up to body temperature, so the body stops losing heat. Is the description accurate?

Bag designed for temperature of around zero degrees, make slightly more than half the weight. The envelope play a particular role in preventing heat loss, so that about two thirds of the weight of produce.

Isolated brass 15 times less backwards, and if misunderstood the formulas above, about seven times less than synthetic material. If so, in view of the previous section, the alleged amount required approximately 10 times brass bookmark, or a synthetic fiber five times to achieve the same level of isolation (assuming we have the brass weight of an isolated material). So far, are lost?

Perhaps because of the uniformity advantage and weaknesses, minority may reduce the isolation factor (say 1:8, 1 front: 4 versus synthetic fill). Is this a reasonable assumption?

Can be worked as brass ' available, friendly and convenient for processing, may also contribute to reducing the isolation gaps between the filling material. This is because, only easier to prepare than brass km km, and self can solve the problems below the tmomot bag on the shelf:

A. the precise adjustment of the measures, thereby reducing weight and increasing efficiency by reducing excess volumes.

B. some fill in a bag on the shelf (but not quilt) is compressed between the body and the mattress and we benefit (as learned from the Forum members). Independent production allows the installation of a single layer of fleece and/or a minute in the underpass, and two or three thick layers at the top.

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#20 Posted : Thursday, January 3, 2013 9:08:20 PM(UTC)
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(Continued)

However, I disapprove of the above arguments. Brass easy to cut and sew. tried. And the quilt may it be in mitigation mentioned otan (BTW, do you know if and where you can get the ingredients needed them mentioned?)

The comparison between bed naked sleeping bag designed for minus 5 and freezes in brass sleeveless suit, hat and gloves, and when all the heat evaporating, is definitely impressive and enviable-550 grams However I think most travel uses a wind protector tent. In addition, even within a mile (minus 1), I found myself sleeping in thermal long sleeved clothing, brass hat and gloves (and sometimes needed even warm) temperature tangent to zero up-not down.

The ecological cost of recycling is indeed very annoying; Both energy cost, they use water. Hope that in the future more will be used in solar energy and water, but until then, you're right. The cycle is far from perfect. However, ecological terms, synthetic fill materials less green (from my head with oil). As for the reverse, may be persuaded if you know for sure that this company or otherwise avoid taking animal backwards (or if you have 3000 dollars ...)

As for not making myself properly. There is no intention to inflate laptop in a backpack, but storage. Both could catch bag storage recently for clothing and blankets brass brass used by all the family.

Until here, I lost my concentration.

I won't retract-I've learned a lot, and for that I thank you. I expect to learn, I am aware that many domains and I always low until. Hence I have no problem to get the arguments-rather mprichim.

Incidentally, as the HARMONICWAVE good guess, academic discussion is; I am trying to create something, and many of the raabad wrote, video and data above.
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