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easyman  
#1 Posted : Friday, January 4, 2013 6:30:38 PM(UTC)
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An alcohol stove, oalia weight advantages, 300 grams to 400 chale low enough לכ3 days of cooking and tea or coffee (hot meal מטייל1 Shabbat 21B 1 per day and two cups of tea and coffee for 1 double double), no problem, no malfunctions, (terngy to take two rubber bands reserve closed), less dangerous (if water and 70% alcohol and can also be used to disinfect). Also effective in high mountains

When can I do besides oalia reduces Pepsi or a beer has instructions on YouTube, the pot can make iron or aluminum hangers there on YouTube.

Chale unavailability of oalia disadvantages (every liquor store, writer) chale price, sometimes boiling long time needs windscreen that saves time and boiling alcohol. Some oeliot you buy a kit includes and protects, and pot.

(סופר750 mg = 54, liquor store = 50 shekels to 750מ ", dental clinics provide 95% = weight chale 19 liter bottle at least bought four.) Don't recommend a donkey in chale soot and healthy.

Gas burner gas stove-benefits available, tank, stove fuel weight to 110 grams.

Cons-weight heavy stove fuel (but קלותכ50גרם stove fuel tank 250 g or 500 g cooking gas consumption but requires to carry at least 2 containers of 250 preferred in case of leakage or one of 500 depending on availability and gas) gas price expensive, need to be careful if the blowtorch. (Even when they fire should be careful) and noise glitches can be a surfer or blue seals can open if sometimes mask inefficient high mountains, particularly tanks leaks or anything (to buy filter adapter, or anything in case you get what you need) that weighs 100 grams about rising 80. Very necessary stove fuel users.

In stove-nzinia patrol fuel availability advantages I think the only advantage. And benefit of high mountains.

Cons-weight, fuel consumption (if low fuel consumption at nzignot), bugs, tampering, cleaners, parts, filters, leaks, stench, dangerous.

The precious nzignot that combined to the blowtorch, advantages and disadvantages of the two modes. Even better stove fuel and nzignot the bottle or the balloon tube from there amiber it's more safe, wind protectors they alone must pay attention to ventilation. And to do it right there on YouTube. (If it's not good, it's very dangerous to bnznity and stove fuel).

Woods-good benefits, good to have small hobo stove stove nomads there on YouTube how to make, where trees and allowed to turn this enormous trees. You must turn in a safe distance from the tent.

Disadvantages of no rain in certain places, availability of trees, smoke, smell, looks away, extreme caution is required to watch the fire to extinguish the fire, leave

All States should be cautious with fire to fire and cook at a safe distance from the tent and under observation. Well most veteran travelers here.

I long ago moved to choalia and taking 2 oeliot + two vials of 200 grams of alcohol depends on the availability of time must sometimes carry a liter bottle. And the blowtorch of 50 grams for KOVEA titanium quality without a balloon and threaded adapter or anything. Be everything might not get alcohol or flare.

Recently bought Sidewinder Ti-Tri is an excellent choalia titanium including trees including oil blocks stand firm as energy for cooking BBQ all Titanium is very easy everything comes in titanium pot.

Finally if you have comments or additions I'd like to read.

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idanz  
#2 Posted : Friday, January 4, 2013 8:23:26 PM(UTC)
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Good post. I think bnzinia has advantages both in time (4 minutes per liter boiling water), amount (30 ml/liter water whisperlite bnsinit) and price (300 ml = 2-3 weight)
About disadvantages-not for beneficial traveler. Need it, who understands how it works doesn't make it to a State of tolerance, fillings, tinkering, parts, filters, leaks, dangers. It is therefore not recommended.
It is heavy, it must be armed (just taking a gasoline car) and to clean. The new bnzignot takes 5 seconds top.
My daughter has bnzinia almost a year without any special care.
As each entry advantages and disadvantages and each of the different cells. Idanz 41278.727974537
MikeC  
#3 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2013 5:06:52 AM(UTC)
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EASY

Many considerations you described is correct. I was precise and say

1) stored energy in gasoline and gas larger than alcohol. I.e. every ounce of them has more energy emitted during a fire.
2) why alcohol is still relevant is that you don't need to click it-it runs in furnaces at atmospheric pressure and therefore are thin and lightweight
3) has a very strong dependence with ghosts and the thermal coupling between the oven-stove fuel therefore integral (JETBOIL etc) high iaileeut
4) large heights gas leverage. But even INVERTED gas work
5) temperature controls there are INVERTED with PREHEAT gas TUBE furnaces that work on the same principle, in fact bnzinia
6) alcohol have an advantage on short trips with relatively modest fuel usage. Because the other more efficient fuels to Kron (search on BPL for this) bypassing the alcohol weight efficiency features (if days + snow + mass more than one person etc.
7) small 110 gas tanks sand g

It's obvious that most alcohol stove gas burner, dirt etc. But this is no real problem as long as where to buy containers.

I personally a fan of gas because of simplicity and safety. No gas spills and therefore very safe.

Most dangerous alcohol stoves in the eyes that are smaller, lighter and generally open-if you drop nothing to do (as opposed to gas or liquid petrol doesn't spill

I tried a homemade oeliot and sensitivity to the spirit for me. I would definitely consider one like yours of CALDERA

My priority:
Gas-if available I'm going for it.
In States without gas nzinia and many Muslims (no alcohol available) or when there is doubt. Always find something to burn in bnzinia

Alcohol-my dorgnmoch but I guess with one like yours would sometimes

-I don't trust it because most don't know enough about the areas I travel. And often wet when I travel. Of course, if I had it made sense to CALDERA took the floor.

Mickey
neutrino  
#4 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2013 6:23:31 PM(UTC)
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Mickey,

You can pour alcohol if you are not careful (BTW I never once happened that aipathi a pot of oatmeal a-nasty gas burner).
I recommend Caldera any Cone gas burner too. A gas burner off Pot support (save weight). The cone much more stable (and durable) is also used as a windscreen, of course, also have the option to wood stove.

I recommend Remote canister stove gas burner with wide burner head. She has many benefits:
More stable
Windscreen (standard gas burner with pot on top of the tank is safe to use the wind shield)
Ability to turn the canister upside-down as you mentioned

There is a very easy stove fuel (less than 100 made in that category.

I think 7 days ltiolim alcohol wins all kinds of reasons. Incidentally, the weight minimum container 250-g + 100 g of ~. And you don't know how much it takes always > = new = > next trip will always be more than the wailing wall of alcohol even if your trip is 10 days. Do the calculation: 30 grams of alcohol per day = > 300 grams of alcohol for 10 days. But There's the weight of the bulky container. The cut in the country for up to 10 days trip better. To me it means that it's always better (in the country).


easyman  
#5 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2013 6:31:37 PM(UTC)
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Greg h. CALDERA not dangerous gas burner gas burner and the fan needed for gas burner

I have a gas burner spirit shield is built differently in different ventilation so the CALDERA the cone

Not for the blowtorch and nzinia and their dangerous CALDERA is designed exclusively for choalia and trees

I think it takes about 50 grams of alcohol per day for a hot meal one and three cups of tea or coffee for a single traveler

D as 100 g.

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#6 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2013 6:35:11 PM(UTC)
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First of all you can check:)
Max insert holes. But now, it doesn't matter what you put under the pot. Even a candle nserf Saturday for two hours. To increase ventilation can put the cone on something (pegs, small stones.)
easyman  
#7 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2013 6:38:55 PM(UTC)
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The measurement of the CALDERA something great and got 2 bottles of 200 grams.

4. bottle if you don't tour days spilled alcohol. Anyway I would like to be cautious if the blowtorch.

Must be true and correct ventilation also on amiber nzinia especially those who direct the balloon without hose.

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#8 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2013 7:04:48 PM(UTC)
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Mickey, I forgot to mention there is alcohol stoves can't shed them! Like Starlyte. And they-thaimim Caldera Cones. There are quite a few examples on BPL
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#9 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2013 11:45:12 PM(UTC)
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Greg

The CALDERA is great.

If the discussion is about Israel. Then leave. You can eat a sandwich

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#10 Posted : Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:08:31 AM(UTC)
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Killed me ...:)

How about a pepper?
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, January 8, 2013 2:48:22 AM(UTC)
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I got Starlight, and it is also the fact that-very hard to shed her alcohol unless you fill it completely overreacted.
But should mention pretty easy to put out alcohol stove. Usually I just make sure to clean around the area. Spill? Well, well, pour some sand or earth and everything shut down. Don't be no disaster.
easyman  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, January 8, 2013 7:29:44 AM(UTC)
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What are the benefits of the standard by implementing a alcoholia alcoholic Starlight

Until I found one for sale on Amazon for 18 $ + 20 $ shipping not elsewhere. Well I ordered.

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#13 Posted : Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:05:49 PM(UTC)
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Probably depends on what track and conditions. If you choose a track and tired, the last thing you want is to spend 20 minutes to build the fire, cooking, finally gets a dirty pot poiiach.

I think Israel has a harsh restrictions on campfires and nature reserves, collecting trees can pose a problem in some places. In short I never saw nor heard in restrictive pathways that you must ashtmshm in wood for cooking. Weight 50 person ?cole militaire Metro, alcohol per day is enough. If you are with the blowtorch, two small tanks provide cooking for more than five days, then came home and buy another one.

And what about all the metal parts in the lane? Messy clothes, hands, backpack?

Add the fact that sometimes it is raining or windy and hard to light the trees outside, here comes the tent inside or on the edge of his cooking gas burner or alchoalia.

I personally find it hard to find the edge of trees.

MikeC  
#14 Posted : Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:21:21 PM(UTC)
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Agree with you.

I think there are places (not) relatively easy to find trees. In addition, if allowed to make a fire so that's cool-and warm etc

easyman  
#15 Posted : Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:16:33 PM(UTC)
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Don't forget kartotsks (potatoes), marshmallows on a stick and a glass of mulled wine.

But fire light carefully especially tent far away from safe and shut down before sleep and again, also use choalia, nzinia, gas burner, close the tent if I make rain ponzzo Tharp, and cooking.

The point far from the tent. If a sign prohibiting a fire anywhere in the world, please respect it.

Believe it or not, next to signs in the local language and English began to arise signs in Hebrew

On rules, in many places in the world. Unpleasant.

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#16 Posted : Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:31:57 PM(UTC)
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You carry a bottle of wine, potatoes and onions in a pod?
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, January 8, 2013 8:06:26 PM(UTC)
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So what? On top of that I'm carrying another woman and sometimes children. :)

In Russia the wood look option. Just easier than putting the pot on rocks or hanging over the fire.

Starlyte, the manufacturer website namcr 16 $ + $ + $ 6 cover.
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, January 8, 2013 8:36:50 PM(UTC)
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It's most economical weight of flesh!

Your travel partner makes the HIKE IN itself and then eat it on the fire.
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