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לייקופלאסט  
#1 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:50:09 AM(UTC)
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Hello guys,
Here's a little story and eventual advice request:
I have a single tent Perino-type here his company website page
Http://www.ferrino.it/en/homepage/products/TENTS/high_lab_114/bivy_hl_ss12 _
Of course, there's good in airports looking for quality tent (I use it a lot, about 3 nights a week in the cold season) and paid the relatively high price (but still high opportunity).
Unfortunately, it can be said that "ate" with this tent-Kenya hardly successful.
Start from that used by the two (!) broken bow front. The reason is pretty straightforward to set up the tent should exert pressure on the bars as in similar tents where the tightening done after inserting the rods to knots.
I said to myself "lucky" warranty and sent the tent. After three weeks (!) of absolute silence turned to importer and asked what was happening. But it was all my fault and it's not under warranty, and the repair will cost 500.
Fine, blame me till tomorrow (I certainly know how to pitch a tent, military and citizenship) but Rabac, 500 weight?! Total had to change there, and looked instead to maintain the reputation of the product preferred to try to make me more so.
I decided not to revise but to use tent with the temporary repair. Then another Office tent for two months but the pole and bent (not impressed with his I'm gone anyway) and at the moment it is impossible to push it into loops run too powerful (as mentioned above, this is a problem that existed from the beginning and worsened over time).
If not it should be 4 seasons tent but is really not protected from rain. The last night I slept absolutely soaked.
To summarize the matter, I would like to admit that tent recommendations on conditions:
A single, lightweight tent, rain and reliable.
Thanks for responding!!
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easyman  
#2 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:53:57 AM(UTC)
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I recommend tarptant - Rainbow Tarptent Double Rainbow to me has one double

Excellent tent waterproof rain, strong winds, very easy, standing by itself using walking sticks (or pegs without sticks). Weights only 900 g-1227 g double

Tent or monolayer Tharp've done so to buy it if the inner liner protects thicken + 130 g

And if a service seal.

This site is written and told a lot about the wonders of tarptant.

Interesting what you wrote about the BIVY tent FERRINO's got another sample of FERRINO

And I traveled a lot with no problems.

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#3 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:10:20 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for the answer!
Indeed, I was surprised of prino.
About tarptant:
I looked a bit on the Forum and really there are a lot of references.
What I couldn't figure out.
A. is there a store in the country that brings them to see the tent myself? Where you should buy? How to run the service?
2. personally I prefer lower structure tent-like biovi. Does anyone know a tent? (Only better ...)
Thanks to isiman and advise!
HarmonicWave  
#4 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:39:23 PM(UTC)
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About to see tarptant before Kenya-Forum members have the most relevant models. What if you're interested, you can see that someone here (I have the torque if you're interested).

As far as I know no company that brings them to Earth, direct and conduct it against Henry Myers that produces them.
There are also several discussions on shipping options, prices, etc.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:04:45 PM(UTC)
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I have the 1אם stratospire want to see
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#6 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:29:33 PM(UTC)
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The haiku

Despite the unfortunate story.:
1) was connected directly with the company and try to see what they can do. Sometimes they are more flexible because they care about the good compared to importers in the country they are big dogs.
2 no BIVI tent you buy). I really (!) not sure aaiit wetness is a liquidity but thicken. I use BIVI also sometimes if I'm sleeping in the rain (under TARP) has massive condensation-the reason is that once the fabric is a very cold rain all the prisoners loathe. I really thought there was a leak and checked by BIVI logon in the bathroom. No leak at all just hard to believe shchch much moisture it sweat. From tstia to check and read a little bit about the meaning of BIVI
3) about featured designs-what TARPTENT (which is fine) there are thousands of minor models watches what you want (easton kilo, big agnes flycreek UL, terranova laser and many more
4) tents. Point. Look at people (I have a LASER) and read on the Internet and was considering buying used on BPL or OM or Yes CASCADECLIMBERS. significant savings

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easyman  
#7 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:33:30 PM(UTC)
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All tarptant models are great for bikers and HIKERS recommended by worldwide

And this forum he is Forum if the experienced aiikrim in Israel.

It's the perfect tent or if Tharp travel backpack or bicycle needs

Lightweight, resistant to any ghosts and 41 rain (after sealing service), ventilated with two openings (Rainbow models and some other models), strength and reliability

Actually this tarptant art work produced by Henry Hare HIKER.

All the models I D ' RAINBO because Rainbow only models 900 g 1270 g double stand themselves with walking sticks and that their advantages over other models

Their advantages too, and indeed all the great models.

Buy the tarptant it's not a problem on the site order book Extras-liner thing against condensation when 130 grams and TAYVEK sheet tiibk floor below Tharp as 220 g but keep mud and tears and isolated.

And if you have walking sticks less than 145 cm to reserve 20 g cables and very cheap

This Rainbow models who can stand on their own with ease.

Just ask and receive mail Tharp (Note If payment received white VAT) after paying a 200 weight mail pay VAT.

Coming two weeks or ask Henry and gets to the House if the Messenger of a week. And pay for the courier from. It is very simple to order a report.

And there is a difference between Tharp-tarptant-tent-.

Tent tent cover as if a heavy rain have different types are themselves, 3 seasons

4 seasons tent igloo, tunnel, etc. ...

It's not a simple tent canvas Tharp flap covering against rain, Sun and insects to snakes. Easy to construction,

Tarptant combination of manifold and tent, protected rain, insects, snakes, and lightweight than the tent that it tarptant to turn one without rain cover. Condensation problem that no rain cover so order liner against condensation inside the extruded tarptant and actually creates a protective layer against condensation.

In supporting this BIVY protected insects and snakes is good for protection from rain.

But there is thickening the lightweight small folding. And personal equipment for soldiers in the armies of the world

Not in pup tent.

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#8 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:30:51 PM(UTC)
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First of all, thank you everyone for the comments and detailed!
Special thanks to those of you who ask me to see his tent
(Harmonix, יבמן2). It certainly might help me.
Isiman-answered many of my questions
From iicksi-1 I talked to a friend and they were behind the importer. So upset me that price tag. Don't believe me-as so cool. But this is not the way to make money.
2. no biovi. otherwise I'd check. Interesting in me the bottom line-don't get wet. Is there a difference between a topic for tent? Hard to believe it's on sweat-froze. Is there a balance to moisture? (From all sources) I prefer the biovi.
Thanks again to everyone!
easyman  
#9 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:33:38 PM(UTC)
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There is a big difference between supporting a tent and camp tarptant because rain coverage that prevents condensation!

The biovi and tarptant do not have tarptant liner that protects thicken (at least in Rainbow models)

easyman  
#10 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:42:10 PM(UTC)
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TENT that drought in some support of FERRINO company.

Ferrino: Tents: Lite Line: Lightent 1 Ss12 tent tunnel shape doesn't stand on its own (requires 6 pegs min 4), rain cover

Great 3000 mm weighing 1370 made very easy. No condensation problems. A large balcony, a fan

And flue duct cover.

You can buy it in כ800 in the search entry zap, there is also a model.

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#11 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:02:26 PM(UTC)
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Isiman-thank you.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:28:41 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = iikoplast]-played isiman, thanks!


Don't see anything to haiku.

After the experience you described with the product, the importer and the company you are considering to buy another product?

Incidentally, primary source is moisture vapor trail emitted in your sleeping wind (and sweat). You'd be surprised how ... HarmonicWave 41301.6876851852
לייקופלאסט  
#13 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:36:16 PM(UTC)
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Ah, God forbid, I don't mean buying Perino.
(Unless, of course, be disappointed than alternatives)
I was referring mainly to the isiman level.
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#14 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:39:50 PM(UTC)
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Although I must say I am surprised:
If all existing biovim condensation problem, so just unsuccessful product!
The mountain is the most important factor in maintaining body temperature is to stay dry.
Have you heard about ה"ליינר?
If so, why is it not built in?
This is not the mountains caught, regardless of the source of the moisture.
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#15 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:00:00 PM(UTC)
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Perino is great company if staff have their tent traveled with more than half the world.

And I had problems even slept in the rain, snow, wind, and climatic conditions,

What happened you have support and it doesn't support the tent on the differences,

You Rod rounds maybe slacks? Rod rounds indeed breaks more easily.

New tents also every company I think contacting the company via their website email

If an image of a tent and a break and the purchase if the importer in the country won't help you much really excessive and unfair to ask why weight 500 such things happen?

Max send it to the company what you can do and I'm sure will send you a free only pay as may 10יורו shipping.

On balance there is condensation at biovi what do I do if there is rain and condensation (in case I have a quilt and flipped and not friends)

Got MBD escort emergency breathing weigh 250 g SOL Escape Bivy -Free Shipping at REI.com something just like it protects me from moisture and also serves as that summer.

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#16 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:31:40 PM(UTC)
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The haiku

On balance:
In my opinion, likely you're wrong about the source of the moisture-created a lot (!) no sweat and moisture in a perfect solution. For most of the way to solve it is airing on exactly what is happening in the larger tents with etc.

A little long to write a new things each time but recommend you to read on the network before you decide "I indeed prefer the biovi" or "have you heard about ה"ליינר?
If interested and understand better what's going on, why and what causes thick increase or weaken it and what are the limitations of the tent so crowded as yours (which is practically like levy with sticks)

E. understanding the material doesn't help you.

As a starting point means that all the materials (FABRICS) waterproof breathable as Gore-Tex membrane, eVent and your tent's breathing is very limited and not breathing at all (!!!) a watery canvas. I mean if you actually rained so Eddie sweat water inside. I'm telling you from experience there are real quantities of Eddie sweat at night and wake up wet.
It has no real answer except the phenomenon by lactin
-Ventilation
-Temperature control to prevent excessive
-Removes the oil saturation by direct rain protection (TARP or cover)
-Reducing the temperature difference by avoiding sleep beneath cloudless skies (long story ... Related to cornea but mostly black body rather sleep under the tree and under the bright sky.
There's also a lot more extreme solution that corresponds only to very low temperatures (below about minus 15צל) called vapor barrier layer-it's great to sleep with minimal clothing in a sealed bag in the air inside the shcsh and then the sweat not insulation layer so you wet near the body but hot


Most effective uses are not ordinary bivi camping:
-Under TARP (not easy to fan under heaven and direct contact with rain.
-Alpine BIGWALL or when there is a problem or sleep-but it doesn't make your case and bivi

Mickey
MikeC  
#17 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:37:46 PM(UTC)
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BTW-there's a big difference between a levy to TARP to HYBRID TARPTENT to classic tent 2 layers

In addition, he could very well lie to you because of a combination of reasons. You put a hand on the book of the bivvy of Ronald Turnbull (I have it if you want) in which he describes in colorful detail the experiences of 20 years with levy in Scotland, uk and Europe.
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#18 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:48:47 PM(UTC)
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Hey guys,
Isiman indeed, the rounded rod and runs about more pressure than usual. Specific problem (in my opinion) is that the tent is built so that inserting the rod into his anus is made under pressure (not a hoax then). It's a recipe for chaos. Beyond that, what's irritating me not product-level filled, filled the thicken or leak-but as mentioned above the price the importer. As I wrote, I went to the company directly rather than nothing. Maybe try again.
Mickey signifies that you understand the very subject and I thank you for sharing with me. I'm not so much a partner to claim that I have become familiar with the material. I don't understand so in (although I travel "professional") and it was never a major issue. I'm going discount wedding quite simple: If I buy an expensive product with had his responsibilities, for example for certain weather conditions-I expect it will be me them. Not to find out that I need to buy another product line (Tharp, for that matter) to get the function that appears in the specification (four seasons). Furthermore-do I need to be a mechanic to buy a car?
However, clearly explained things very well and lost a lot. Just to mention that the reason I'm replacing the tent is gone, but a wet crack.
Thank you both!!
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#19 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:14:57 PM(UTC)
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To iikoplast you are looking for tent trips?
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#20 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:24:55 PM(UTC)
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I don't mean to offend, of course, difficult to cram so much information in time and space.

I disagree with your analysis, I bought expensive and was written on the package that it's cool. "
If you already talked about-cars don't have to be a mechanic and I don't work in the OUTDOOR industry, but do need to understand the difference between a sports car to tractor-both seasons. If you know what I mean.
So here's a little story:
A few years ago a friend and I (good) games with 186 haoron landrobrim mountain man. This hill with higher but tortuous and difficult to recall two people died there (one of motorcyclists) because it's hard and steep, grief etc.
So while I and friends getting ready ... With defenders squadron with differential locks, hills, housing, wide tires, axles, ratio reduction DROPKIT the slings etc. And one driver driving instructor an elite unit operations and other specialist off-road driving (and I just experienced and cautious) of course making sure all harness, neat (not flip to die is iron) checking the mtllul walks to see close up the stairs and, of course, wear seat belts (so as not to get out of the car during the flips)
Reaches ndkrosr with road tires brand new father and mother with 2 children. Windows closed. Without belts, loud music and children see and just (downhill) up.

A summary of the event they entered risky side ramp and almost flip. We ran like crazy and jumped on the vehicle to stabilize (because the increase). Shouting intifada's pulled everybody out swinging (towards immigration), air out the top side tires (to mitigate the steep side) and one in the preferences later our company dropped the car from above and arrested over 20-foot anchor strips tied to the corner of the rear axle on their faces then the ... When one of us in their car and one car and one outside adapter-gas shock landkrnser gave forward and down and ride with the winch gave hit reverse on the rise and we made amends.
The final result:
Broken hinges creaked in my friend's car (the hits)
One tire bird from Jamaica
Rear bumper of warping ndkrosr
Hello to all our pilots

When we asked the father what the hell was he thinking you know what he said.
He pointed to a button on the dashboard of transverse differential lock back and told us that he was told the company that the car goes everything if there's a problem to push the button.

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