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לייקופלאסט  
#21 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:43:53 PM(UTC)
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IFOREX-tent used me used double: sleep on nights when I have to stay at University, (graduate study in mathematics and living in a tent. Great social protest material) and walks (especially in the Negev) for three days every other week. Hence the importance of shaachishov light weight: starting from 8 liters of water.
Mickey-I agree 200% when it comes to safety. Forbid not offended, I'm thankful for everything you wrote! The relevant test is the test of "reasonable person"-great big question mark buffet if reasonable person guess he should buy Tharp ...
I thought, demons of the product "four seasons" plus the wife cooks don't think using another device.
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#22 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:57:03 PM(UTC)
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Sleeping on the grass at Givat RAM??? Amusing!

Anyway-really-BIVI post not ideal anyway because of what I mentioned. I assume you have space limitations, or you want to hide. Otherwise why not bigger budget tent

About the weight that diagnosis is no longer so precise-compare BIVI like yours (with interval) to very light tents and the difference is no longer so great.
I guess the advantage is not stakes (maybe)

Anyway-if you want to go in for consultation or to come see the BIVI tent + water have you invited.

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#23 Posted : Monday, January 28, 2013 12:08:00 AM(UTC)
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Mickey-thanks!
And all nice and help forum-thanks again!
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#24 Posted : Monday, January 28, 2013 12:49:32 AM(UTC)
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I put aside the matter of hiding that Micky has raised and the ה"עומד itself. If those considerations so maybe what it says is irrelevant but otherwise globally to Earth in my opinion can be manifold and not needed.

This solution easier, more reliable (no ריצ'רצ'ים, no dedicated clubs), cheaper and more flexible (you can adjust the shape of the construction conditions and requirements).

I travel with manifold (so-called TARP) quadratic 2.7 m silaniilon a 400גרם and it weighed enough size. (The next page 2.5 model, $ 120,
Http://shop.bivysack.com/category.sc?categoryId=6)

You can invest in more advanced materials and get weighed a half sheet (at twice the price) or half and heavy canvas 2 times.

You can see the construction forms for example by clicking on VIEW GALLERY this page

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easyman  
#25 Posted : Monday, January 28, 2013 1:11:18 AM(UTC)
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No longer just buy tarptant weighing between 700 g 900 g ago singles depending on model

Or this tent Click for Details weighs 405 g speaks much about the site

Just this curtain is great in summer when mosquito girl flies, insects, scorpions and other things,

After all why tenting if not for protection and privacy, and what about the construction of the curtain, I also have a SEA TO poncho curtain SAMMIT weigh 350 g great.

I slept with one overseas journeys started if canes and stakes in 16-m

Noah. Until today the mosquitoes itches. To get the mosquito net not to have!

And adjustable floor tiibk can do if combo manifold and create network and tenet if Tharp ... sheet.

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#26 Posted : Monday, January 28, 2013 3:02:24 AM(UTC)
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Isiman, experience of space time is a matter of practice and there is no significant difference in tent significantly. I'm actually pretty sure I started the my curtain faster by terptant.
This פונצ'וטרפ but the recommendation is to start with larger sheets (it's too small it might work better with a levy)

As you say can be combined with canvas and mosquito net (or levy easy)-some flexibility. But neither is necessary. Floor less important when you're not using an inflatable mattress. About bugs-I think there is a significant problem in the country. Who has phobias (like me!), there are a variety of options, like levy lightweight (200 g) or any night, but this stuff around the problem-problem in advance.
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#27 Posted : Monday, January 28, 2013 12:26:43 PM(UTC)
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Why and when the word chrachim? There are no mosquitoes in the country no flies? No live

There are no scorpions and other animals down South if ultraviolet light and no Scorpions.

Why Israeli always think that you don't need fancy equipment to either country.

What is different from abroad?

Vice versa the conditions in the country worse, heat in summer, mosquitoes and flies everywhere.

Rainy winter sometimes rainy fall mainly in the North and throughout the country, sometimes storms and snow,

I think we need more country tent than Khan, has cabins, guest houses, camping, if caishop villages, trekking, here too there is almost nothing.

And gives privacy tent is very important especially in a country with baboons.

And

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#28 Posted : Monday, January 28, 2013 5:19:34 PM(UTC)
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About-like I said, I think if you don't use an inflatable mattress so you little needed.
About mosquitoes, there's something that's happening in Israel and abroad:

To ask about iikoplest and solution in my opinion there is no reason to spend more money and get something heavier and less reliable in situations not better sources. The link I put it to someone who knows the curtain and to me it is vintage equipment.

Eventually there's a matter of personal preference and personally I prefer by far on sheet terptant
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#29 Posted : Monday, January 28, 2013 5:32:15 PM(UTC)
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Wow but in Israel there are swarms of mosquitoes (females only by the stinging) best-dressed network have for the hat.

For such cases, and flies.

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#30 Posted : Friday, February 1, 2013 3:29:27 AM(UTC)
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Firstly, I think Perino condensation, probably. In General, Mike's right; It is also important to emphasize that this biovi is intended for sleeping below 0 degrees, Alpine height (dry air ...), and the difference of pressure between the inside-outside help to breath. In our country, apas, there isn't much difference between breathing material support to biovi made of nylon. Benefits should be biovi but condensation is not one of them.

The pole is another story. Each company may be good (and not a bad company, Perino and good experience with my friends). The company is dealing with. And here the importer failed in catastrophic shape and pressing: contact manufacturer, it might improve the situation. I don't expect a Mountain Hardwear REI version or service, but at least the Basic decency and reasonable treatment.

About-tent in the country, I think there's more reason to use his own layer and at least some of the solutions certainly not olteraliit, biovi, simple reason:. In relatively warm Earth and humid places. So in the desert around 0 degrees the thicken not be catastrophic (though I got to sleep in a crater at minus 2 and the area of the canvas + tent/ice was soaked in the morning). But in the North, or on hot days-one's tent, as it may be, is not enough. I slept through mist and humidity with single-tiered tent and tent-sleep-and the difference is that water and water. The thickening layer dialog tent significantly reduced (still exists) in layer.

One day I came to finish the Appalachia have lightweight tent as shbrert is to sleep in "hostel-Tharp-tenet no doubt. But today, in the land I prefer ' real ' tent with inner ventilated layer and an outer layer, a cumulative ahatavot nor me. Yagil 41306.0243171296
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#31 Posted : Friday, February 1, 2013 12:36:21 PM(UTC)
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#32 Posted : Friday, February 1, 2013 2:31:50 PM(UTC)
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The smaller size also move and less ventilation.
You can try your offer with warm neck. What I think will happen is that it's wet, and the hurt.

Yagil-differently. In Israel most tent is not needed at all (as you pointed out, pretty hot), and in case of rain so manifold can do it definitely. As stated it's a matter of attitude and personal preference.
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#33 Posted : Friday, February 1, 2013 2:50:06 PM(UTC)
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I have the stratospire 1 of tarptant, two layers and the pinamit network layer is very far from the madding crowd – exclusive, established controls with wet canvas on both sides but the network was moist but not dripping we need rain. He has another model that is two layers a bit heavier but very successful travel with someone who had the same Scarp
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#34 Posted : Friday, February 1, 2013 3:37:27 PM(UTC)
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Went
As has been said-biovi has very bad ventilation and air volume is small and therefore it can be easily OVERWHELMED by the humidity that emitted from the body
Another point is the 3D geometry-imdidt most construction tents is a thickening of the outer layer rolls sideways instead of dripping or touch user-whereas most biovi no or just a bag sitting on you (like mine) or whether the Poles like small distances you touch the cover.

Of course there are also problems with tents especially sharp, laminated

Read it on the levy

And it in General.

As has been said here-escorts Israel = insane
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#35 Posted : Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:47:37 AM(UTC)
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Gone, I haven't had to experience condensation with Tharp, but my limited experience-this is my first winter with manifold and had maybe 10 nights out with her.

I think you're right that ventilation helps to minimize condensation. Beyond that, my canvas size that allows (depending on the establishment) to leave plenty of room between the nylon so it was wet on the inside, I don't think it would thicken. If windy enough to shake the manifold (it could trickle of moisture from the inside of the curtain on the bag) so no d condensation that wind is breezy.

Compared to tarptant (monolayer) I guess that act like canvas. Small advantage that canvas can build even more terptant fan if conditions allow. On the other hand if you aren't taking the floor so I think artivot might help from the ultimately disastrous war condensation, which would happen if the ground covered.
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#36 Posted : Saturday, February 2, 2013 10:18:31 AM(UTC)
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#37 Posted : Saturday, February 2, 2013 9:50:36 PM(UTC)
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Another option for contained (Levy) is to hang it on the anchor points in a manifold. Options for creating these points:
-Sew or paste (maybe with silicone?) piece of plastic with a loop (or maybe just a loop) you can tie your contains. For example search for "Tape loops on" tie out here.
-Tie the string within the curtain between the rods or rod and one of the pegs. This includes possible so tie string

It is also possible to contain with clingfilm instead of standard strings to minimize the chances of her tears.
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#38 Posted : Sunday, February 3, 2013 12:46:23 PM(UTC)
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#39 Posted : Sunday, February 3, 2013 1:16:46 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for the tips, iFOREX, check them.


(Under the square/rectangular Tharp and essentially flat no problem to establish as a Ranger Word rain and hexahedral lenticular sheet, which requires placing sticks on the inside, the situation is a little different).



There are many ready-made products on your network, allowing you to draw inspiration rather than reinvent the wheel.
As a company that's going to happen.
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