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#1 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 9:18:56 PM(UTC)
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Hi

I am looking for soptchl to Mongolia and Nepal.

What do you say about him?

Http://marmot.com/products/zion_jacket

Looks perfect, my question if anybody tried it can recommend something, is not cheap, and I want to be sure before I buy it.

And another question, what do you recommend a thermal shirt underneath or brass?

Thank you very much.

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#2 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 9:34:25 PM(UTC)
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Or it

Http://marmot.com/products/nabu_jacket?p=142,188&ft=142-188

Anyway I am looking soptchl waterproof ...

Is this what I'm looking for, should I look for?

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#3 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:46:26 AM(UTC)
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Marmot is good company, and you think they are very good. If you are looking for atom soptchl (!) then the NEOSHELL water is the only thing that satisfies your request.

Should you look for?
I think the question you have to refer first of all to yourself, my friend.
Do you understand what and why soptchl invented?
Because if you don't, then you may not need it.

The soptshlim serve primarily two types of population-and rock climbers and people who want others to think they are climbers and rock. When sharashons are those which invented the soptchl.
In the recent past was only light and compact HARDSHELL jacket not warm but only isolated from mother nature-100% waterproof (though there's no such thing really) and high opacity. But what is need to literally sweat-opacity and spirit breathing ability (actually sweat evaporation) injured. Therefore, on one hand you an intensive activity on hard surface and strain and therefore want to evaporates excess heat and sweat and you want something to protect from rain, snow, ice and wind. It is indeed a problem.
The soptchl is basically a compromise between ardshl and not startairing; Gross (!) rain, snow and wind up to a certain level. All the above parameters depend on how effective the structure and the material used in each specific advantages and disadvantages. For example: GORE WINDSTOPPER completely wind proof but on the other hand remains the evaporation (breathing) and other materials.
The beauty of soptshlim (to me) they provide a good platform for a day with good weather to moderate lift is not season. Why I will explain.
The mountains always windy but always very cool = soptchl provides good
Character type mix (snow ice rock) come across snow and ice (logical not) asoftshl gives both good response.
He breathes better than ardshl
He stretched a lot more ardshl (feature not appreciated enough but critical who climbs)
It combines the layer and the outer layer that usually comes with some "padding" inside such as brass.

Now get back to you.
Do you have soptchl? I doubt whether you can replace it with a thin brass and a raincoat? Yes
Do you find that if you use one it certainly is convenient, beautiful, useful, and not choke heater too on the other.

The decision is yoursarthur41356.6120023148
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#4 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:08:07 PM(UTC)
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Arthur-not protect residents of North Tel Aviv, some of them visiting the Forum and they are OK but your beautiful explanation.
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#5 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:42:53 PM(UTC)
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Arthur, trains. Thank you.

Just in terms of price, fleece and rain coat. Cheap soptchl will be at the same level?
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#6 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:44:25 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = Eli]
Just in terms of price, fleece and rain coat. Cheap soptchl will be at the same level?


"At the same level" is an elusive concept, but they generally are cheaper.
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#7 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2013 4:36:52 PM(UTC)
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Both together?
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#8 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2013 5:39:25 PM(UTC)
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Rain coat has a wide range of prices. The cheapest sold hundreds of dollars in the most expensive individual and reaches more than 3 thousand (NORDWAND MAMMUT EXTREME).
If the raincoat is a technical model with Gore-Tex and so well-known company is going to be more expensive than soptchl.
But you can definitely find cheaper raincoats.
For example with their own membership made membranes:
Mammut-Dry-Tech
Mountain Hardwear – DryQ
TNF Hyvent.
And many more.


You're right, MA a me Appreciate the message. Arthur 41356.6123726852
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#9 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00:40 PM(UTC)
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Arthur, thank you for the answer.

I think that convinced me to buy it.

Do you have any recommendation on which one?

If you can relate to what better under micro fleece (haven't tried yet) or thermal shirt?

And I don't understand your tone about his Kenya costs around 1000 +, buy a raincoat brass likely came also around 800 isn't worth investing a little more longer and get a great response and save a layer? I travel for a while with brass explained and a raincoat and is mad at it, although I btiol 90% of the time the brass for six months, and I plan to hike and enjoy it much, so I think it will bring investment.

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#10 Posted : Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:51:30 AM(UTC)
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I'm sorry if it seems like trying to convince you to buy or not to buy, I always prefer to present the facts as they are and keep the choice in your hands. You buy your money and you're going to use remote holes around the world, and the last thing I need is to remember me and say, "this brother Arthur made his name.

You asked my opinion about the n-2 soptshlim note that the updated product catalog of a marmot on the site, not on the ZION so that he could be an old model or something.
I did a comparison of the features of both, both have the same attributes exactly. The relatively minor differences between them:
NABU has Ms. husband material evaporates and NABU's fabric weight is 6.5 oz/yd the 8.0 vs oz/yd of ZION, which makes for a more durable but also heavier at 91 grams.
Note that there are also differences in fabric.

About whats better to put under the soptchl-I don't understand so the question. If you feel you put something warm underneath if you feel it's warm-down.
When buying an outfit I always verify with sector allows to put underneath my layers I put under it.

I mentioned this precious item.
Sample of soptchl good company cost $ 1500-2000 area if it isn't a lot so I congratulate you on your success in the economic realm!
If, in light of everything that has been said here, you think you need, then go ahead. Good luck and have fun.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:36:03 PM(UTC)
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Hey

Don't know if this is related to the current concatenating assignment
I need to have a coat after bike riding (I have been riding jacket and thin nylon rain jacket)
It's important to me that catches exception case volume
The intention to be with him in the summer (and possibly in the future a little more cold places)
Thank you
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#12 Posted : Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:59:23 PM(UTC)
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Damn, I missed the original, non-response of Arthur apparently related, probably not the best fan ל"תושבי, North of Tel Aviv" If the North can "belong to this category-also known as chronic conditions are considered" residents-easily, gladly and happily (though not necessarily opulence) belongs to them .
That didn't give me curious ... Thank
Anyway-an interesting discussion and I think I will run some exclusive soptchl purchase
Happy holiday!!!!!!!! Io_travel 41357.4596759259
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#13 Posted : Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36:50 PM(UTC)
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No problem with me and I appreciate it. Also you can have an opinion I'm sure doesn't come, it's just grievances recommendation. I just wanted to explain the reasons I buy it and show it so worthwhile investment.

According to the online prices range from 250 to 350 dollars, and it's definitely something makes sense in relation to use worth the investment, although he buys in the USA so I hope the price would be good.

Thanks again ...

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#14 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 2:27:06 AM(UTC)
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Gijad (why can't people sign for them?)

But what we see Arthur:
SOFTSHELL (I repeat not) waterproof. That's very true, but you sweat HARDSHELL seat can control it if by changing the level of effort and not get wet until soaked.

It's not magic SOFTSHELL-otherwise the whole world would use
Most of the travelers using LW trophy makes breathing above micro fleece or any EXPEDITIONWEIGHT BASE LAYER

I suggest you read the thread of Arthur (I think) on the soptchl his concerns and what I and others wrote there.
The bottom line in my opinion:
If you climb but you need technical soptchl. But there are a lot (really a lot) over the scale between types of heart-warming and slowing down for a light and airy. And I'm a little worried because if you go climbing, alpine climbing and your level of understanding in other equipment (טג"ח etc) is also low so anything suspicious here.

If you're not climbing-Alpine you probably don't have-soptchl and I think money has a certain loss of flexibility


Read what I wrote. It is a good base for thought

What is certain-really sexy soptchl

Mickey
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#15 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 3:21:28 AM(UTC)
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Mike I think your attraction toward the person is irrelevant.
Although not every stay in the mountains is not type all type technical climbing but the benefits of soptchl can benefit anyone who puts himself in the Alpine or similar conditions such as who does TRAVEL or just GENERAL GLACIER MOUNTAINEERING and I can assure you that most of them don't know nothing about and docking stations can screw bolt ice as needed.
Gijad, really would help a little if you were more specific the nature of your trip and what exactly are you going to do (trekking, backpacking around in tiborot.) Arthur 41358.0158449074
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#16 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 2:08:34 PM(UTC)
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Arthur-do mainly trekking course it would be integrated with backpacking, and I might climb any Summit, and certainly I climb several cliffs, but that's not the point I'm trying to buy this soptchl, the main objective is mainly "GENERAL MOUNTAINEERING".

Mickey-trophy and maybe a micro fleece in the Israel National Trail (INT) in March but less to Nepal in May-June, which means I have to buy something a little better, obviously, but I don't have the soptchl, but I don't have to fly, I want to invest a little more money and get a product that will give me an answer better, and most importantly be really sexy.

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#17 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 5:15:00 PM(UTC)
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Gijad, you're wrong about the trophy and the brass in Nepal.
No matter how cold it is and where you work always layers method just need to know how to do it right.

About General mountaineering (sorry I don't know how you say that in Hebrew). I'm currently looking for soptchl mountaineering myself in favour of an Alpine Europe semester trip.
Because it's unrelated to this forum so I can send you my reasons for selecting technical soptchl message.
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#18 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 5:53:00 PM(UTC)
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Your trip profile requires use of soptchl.
I'm coming here to the recommendations on the method that works well (I was in this dilemma a few years ago).
You'll find that the horstilies method is a lot more important than the specific mission which he produce the soptchl.
Call and ask yourself a simple question:
Do you plan to spend most of my time with?
If not, too bad. You are not compromised.

And more specific: may is the month hottest in Nepal. Kathmandu is in line with similar to that of Cairo, this means that as long as there's Sun-hot! If you don't plan to sleep area, I think there is no need for more 3-layer micro funkier head band-Israel, brass and ardshl. I feel cold, I traveled in Nepal in September, October and during the day I went with a funkier head band-Israel and shorts. Mornings/evenings I added a wool hat, thermal layers.

BTW, June-July rainy months really. If you have a year to complete. Shaharellert 41358.6401388889
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#19 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 8:47:51 PM(UTC)
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I have no doubt about this method layers I travelled this way too far, I just don't like her so that's why I'm looking for such a soptchl, something that would save me. That's why if I don't buy it, I won't buy another soptchl (which is why I don't need your reasons, but thank you very much).

I won't get to July and I know you may not June is ideal, but this is what I have I have used warm all the time, but I get to higher places and probably Northern will be pretty cold, I use it more in future trips, too, and definitely have a use.

Thank you

Gilad

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#20 Posted : Monday, March 25, 2013 9:21:38 PM(UTC)
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It's not saving the layers.
Strenuous activity--you sweat yourself (that is not designated as full layer breathing).
Wet weather is not really like the ardshl atom. (If so, double issue of sweat from the previous section).

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