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HarmonicWave  
#21 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:30:46 PM(UTC)
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Eli-awesome-post here due to a combination of great pictures, informative and helpful and experiences that much?!

Amber has a lot to lose. I understand you suggests to STRETCH (JMT FILMS DISTRIBUTION) without purchase. It is better to speak in terms of BASE WEIGHT (without food and water) can reach weights of 5 kg, without much effort (well, with quite a bit of money), and minimal compromise on comfort (this is of course something subjective).
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:56:43 PM(UTC)
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To me,

In my experience a few places in the world they're problematic weather and snow so
Always local currency authorities recommend taking equipment that many times is overkill for what's really there. Nothing to do, they're going to interview every single person and test your skills and knowledge.
They're the best accessories or they will have to start to get a lot of people.

You can discuss a lot about the olteraliit (like missing posts) but let's first give to me if he is willing to publish the list of equipment that he took to the track and try to build a recommendation to this track. Still on and post.
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:15:01 PM(UTC)
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Don't need any special course that entertained. It was serious, even crampons aovrkil, at most we should kathoola microspikes
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:33:04 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = Amnonl] I must say you screwed up big time with the weight of the backpacks.
Carry 23 kg in difficult mountain route that torture has no justification.
When you young people already learn something of the art of olterliit????


I was careful to call me "young". Don't know your background, but I'm not a wall more experienced traveler, intelligent and prudent in Israel.

2/3 of his equipment is ultra light and no frills.
Put your equipment list.
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:38:59 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = naty_h].
Climbing vertical wall into the 7 illustrates this very beautiful, classic character to use two ice grzini and thanks for sharing the wonderful documentation.    .



Don't agree at all. There was not one drop of soft snow,
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#26 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:57:03 PM(UTC)
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Sergei you take my comments didn't mean it.
The art of olterliit not to olterliit equipment used, but primarily to reduce the list of minimum equipment
We don't get to debate what is the minimum, but I can assure you that he is not coming to 18 kg
"" Of course not related to inexperience.
Forum members like,,,,, and many others — all young men who walked thousands of miles.
The "young" comment came also jealous of your ability to carry huge weights and still have a good time.
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:00:14 PM(UTC)
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The deer's list was.
There's a lot of unnecessary things and where to trim. This of course doesn't detract from experience or wisdom when traveling.
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#28 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:00:15 PM(UTC)
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Amnon, sorry I didn't understood you correctly.
Please post your rmisht and come talk about it here.
Basic weight of me was, I think, like with me (considering the dry tent, etc.) close by. Sereje4ka 41485.5425925926
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#29 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:01:39 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = shaharellert] Elk-Ellie's list was.
There's a lot of unnecessary things and where to trim. This of course doesn't detract from experience or wisdom when traveling.

I'd love to hear more details.
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#30 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:10:08 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = sereje4ka] [QUOTE = naty_h].
Climbing vertical wall into the 7 illustrates this very beautiful, classic character to use two ice grzini and thanks for sharing the wonderful documentation.    .



Don't agree at all. Wasn't there a soft snow ice


Can be obtained from asirton, you were there, Sergei. If I'm stressed enough appreciative planning and implementation, including the weight factor was here a track different from the usual, even taking his hat off to professionalism
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#31 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:35:44 PM(UTC)
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Please detail:
1. the weight of the tent should be split between the two men is intended.
If the tent part two (almost always) can move other things-partner shcsh/mattress/puckle somewhere.
Saved 750 g (tent pegs + tioock + ... = 1.5 kg).
2-Pack soft shells is a world. I personally travel with heavy backpack (ltoro) but is aware of the weight price I'm paying. You can save here easily 1 kg without sacrificing convenience (with casing and back).
3. the bag of the Outdoor-to-correct comfort 1.2 degrees EN
We make quality weigh less than 1 kg to the same temperature rating.
The highlite of my comfort 1.5° and WM weighs 480. There are also more options here.
4. why should Shiner and km? (200 g)
5. Why do you need a lunch box that weighs 200 grams?
6. regarding Bush-subjective. Personally can't go with storm and giiters pants.
7. Why have 3 types of ndefot shirts?
8. hygiene-when seeing the Mainland spouse פק"ל of 600 grams. 500 of which are hers:) Example: why do you need a razor for weeks?
9. Why do you need a flashlight and head normal?
10. Bill-after twice with the respect of the friendly realized they don't really need. All you need is good preparation + a detailed map. Saves a lot of weight. Note that this weight is divided among the marchers.
11. your list too many bags I made casts quite a lot.
12. I in orbit so the moon have little places to fill water way. Especially in early July when there's plenty of springs and tributaries

These are things that I think can change without having to compromise on comfort.
Soon will come the pros and put the finger on more significant things.
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#32 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:37:58 PM(UTC)
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About ice axe-not serious training don't bring him to the track! Extremely dangerous, lots of injuries, the main factor in coastal New poth Hampshire, USA



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#33 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:41:48 PM(UTC)
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I'm sorry that astati the discussion about weight
Route description of the gods is an exception.
And there was no room for comment in retrospect about excess weight
This discussion should leave equipment Forum

So let's leave out equipment lists for this post
No point anyone going to start display now in 2 g
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#34 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:52:21 PM(UTC)
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I agree with Joe and changing my mind about discussing this wonderful post equipment. By the way ... The bold about Woo solar radiation from the snow is important. As one experienced several unpleasant experiences than the Himalayas. I long sections of snow going with full mask ( easy)

As for ice axes. We can't stress enough how dangerous it if there is no basic training in use and carry. (The PCT met the bakers that made him a kind of Brit milah) Imtl 41485.5797453704
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#35 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:55:33 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = shaharellert] please detail:
1. the weight of the tent should be split between the two men is intended.
If the tent part two (almost always) can move other things-partner shcsh/mattress/puckle somewhere.
Saved 750 g (tent pegs + tioock + ... = 1.5 kg).
2-Pack soft shells is a world. I personally travel with heavy backpack (ltoro) but is aware of the weight price I'm paying. You can save here easily 1 kg without sacrificing convenience (with casing and back).
3. the bag of the Outdoor-to-correct comfort 1.2 degrees EN
We make quality weigh less than 1 kg to the same temperature rating.
The highlite of my comfort 1.5° and WM weighs 480. There are also more options here.
4. why should Shiner and km? (200 g)
5. Why do you need a lunch box that weighs 200 grams?
6. regarding Bush-subjective. Personally can't go with storm and giiters pants.
7. Why have 3 types of ndefot shirts?
8. hygiene-when seeing the Mainland spouse פק"ל of 600 grams. 500 of which are hers:) Example: why do you need a razor for weeks?
9. Why do you need a flashlight and head normal?
10. Bill-after twice with the respect of the friendly realized they don't really need. All you need is good preparation + a detailed map. Saves a lot of weight. Note that this weight is divided among the marchers.
11. your list too many bags I made casts quite a lot.
12. I in orbit so the moon have little places to fill water way. Especially in early July when there's plenty of springs and tributaries

These are things that I think can change without having to compromise on comfort.
Soon will come the pros and put the finger on more significant things.


Well, I got it. You really don't know to find unnecessary things and probably not so were.
סק"ש installation" more expensive and easier "etc doesn't count as serious criticism.

1. about tent.
2,3-tsbsd
4. If the case falls in the water, which is quite common in track one.
5.
6. it's not subjective, probably not. Rain/snow without a serious disease and your shoes full of Gators alive going dry them.
7. you heard about Layering? The first dated in the third wash and go. In case of an emergency to wear 2 out of 3.
8. you start to realize that you don't know what you're talking about. Razor is a fundamental product first aid case, his goal is to take the wounded area prior to treatment.
9. agrees.
10. because it is convenient and saves a lot of time. There is no chance of knocking book because hotels etc. acceptance closes at 5 p.m. Need to know where you're going.

11.
12-you probably don't know how many cows and goats. Look, I'm not drinking water in places, in other places, not risk. Who wants to please.
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#36 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:56:59 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = shaharellert] please detail:
1. the weight of the tent should be split between the two men is intended.
If the tent part two (almost always) can move other things-partner shcsh/mattress/puckle somewhere.
Saved 750 g (tent pegs + tioock + ... = 1.5 kg). Here disagree that only weight tent in 200 g less.
2-Pack soft shells is a world. I personally travel with heavy backpack (ltoro) but is aware of the weight price I'm paying. You can save here easily 1 kg without sacrificing convenience (with casing and back). As I wrote before, certainly was a dilemma concerning the case and was close to taking the weight ה44 liter with 1175 self made but convenience and strength did not take
3. the bag of the Outdoor-to-correct comfort 1.2 degrees EN
We make quality weigh less than 1 kg to the same temperature rating. Here enters the price
The highlite of my comfort 1.5° and WM weighs 480. There are also more options here.
4. why should Shiner and km? (200 g) right, and take in the emergency bag for weight-just not downloaded.
5. Why do you need a lunch box that weighs 200 grams? - Right, nor taken at the end of the case for food-just not dropped from the list.
6. regarding Bush-subjective. Personally can't go with storm and giiters pants.
7. Why have 3 types of ndefot shirts? This set of 3 layers that fits most pour and you can switch between them as needed.
8. hygiene-when seeing the Mainland spouse פק"ל of 600 grams. 500 of which are hers:) Example: why do you need a razor for weeks? Disposable razor should specify weight 15 g.
9. Why do you need a flashlight and head normal? Past experience of rescue and assistance to travellers during dusk problematic routes I always take a flashlight shining routed 20-30 m at least orientation and identification course
10. Bill-after twice with the respect of the friendly realized they don't really need. All you need is good preparation + a detailed map. Saves a lot of weight. Note that this weight is divided among the marchers.
11. your list too many bags I made casts quite a lot. Believe me I tried to avoid it but everyone was permanent.
12. I in orbit so the moon have little places to fill water way. Especially in early July when there's plenty of springs and tributaries So that there was more to carry even less weight 80 g filter carrying deprivation of a lot more water, note that there were quite a few hot days where we drank no less from Israel

These are things that I think can change without having to compromise on comfort.
Soon will come the pros and put the finger on more significant things.
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sereje4ka  
#37 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:59:22 PM(UTC)
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You say "a", "b".
It does not matter to the experienced as if too much space to save weight and then put in reverse.

This thread is the best place to discuss track equipment.
Besides the description itself can always find on a message first.
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#38 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:07:42 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = sereje4ka] about ice axe-not serious training don't bring him to the track! Extremely dangerous, lots of injuries, the main factor in coastal New poth Hampshire, USA





Sergey I applaud again.
Indeed, in the spirit of things available already wrote what you wrote, you definitely need guidance.
But in some places don't know if yes or no on this track needs.

And also need some serious training before.
When you leave for 15 days, there are many unknowns and one is the temperature, you never know in retrospect what you need or not,
A hot day and a cold night and there's ice AX and then have received

That's the whole point in orbit that you can't ever know what's going to happen and therefore have to prepare for every possibility.

On the other hand, there will always be people who can run and discretion that can go with less equipment and whether the State will continue to be allowed in time, then there is no need to hack.

And there will always be those that stick right on in endless frosty storm because they didn't have enough experience so don't they have discretion.

So in summary we have or training or understanding as there axe and not an axe, but in retrospect you cannot know if an axe or not.
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#39 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:08:11 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = sereje4ka] [QUOTE = shaharellert] please detail:
1. the weight of the tent should be split between the two men is intended.
If the tent part two (almost always) can move other things-partner shcsh/mattress/puckle somewhere.
Saved 750 g (tent pegs + tioock + ... = 1.5 kg).
2-Pack soft shells is a world. I personally travel with heavy backpack (ltoro) but is aware of the weight price I'm paying. You can save here easily 1 kg without sacrificing convenience (with casing and back).
3. the bag of the Outdoor-to-correct comfort 1.2 degrees EN
We make quality weigh less than 1 kg to the same temperature rating.
The highlite of my comfort 1.5° and WM weighs 480. There are also more options here.
4. why should Shiner and km? (200 g)
5. Why do you need a lunch box that weighs 200 grams?
6. regarding Bush-subjective. Personally can't go with storm and giiters pants.
7. Why have 3 types of ndefot shirts?
8. hygiene-when seeing the Mainland spouse פק"ל of 600 grams. 500 of which are hers:) Example: why do you need a razor for weeks?
9. Why do you need a flashlight and head normal?
10. Bill-after twice with the respect of the friendly realized they don't really need. All you need is good preparation + a detailed map. Saves a lot of weight. Note that this weight is divided among the marchers.
11. your list too many bags I made casts quite a lot.
12. I in orbit so the moon have little places to fill water way. Especially in early July when there's plenty of springs and tributaries

These are things that I think can change without having to compromise on comfort.
Soon will come the pros and put the finger on more significant things.


Well, I got it. You really don't know to find unnecessary things and probably not so were.
סק"ש installation" more expensive and easier "etc doesn't count as serious criticism.

1. about tent.
2,3-tsbsd
4. If the case falls in the water, which is quite common in track one.
5.
6. it's not subjective, probably not. Rain/snow without a serious disease and your shoes full of Gators alive going dry them.
7. you heard about Layering? The first dated in the third wash and go. In case of an emergency to wear 2 out of 3.
8. you start to realize that you don't know what you're talking about. Razor is a fundamental product first aid case, his goal is to take the wounded area prior to treatment.
9. agrees.
10. because it is convenient and saves a lot of time. There is no chance of knocking book because hotels etc. acceptance closes at 5 p.m. Need to know where you're going.

11.
12-you probably don't know how many cows and goats. Look, I'm not drinking water in places, in other places, not risk. Who wants to please.


Sereje4ka
Don't think you have to be so aggressive. Can I rephrase in moderation. Overall good intentions.

You can download all sorts of things. It is also possible to add. It is a matter of style. There's iron laws. What works for you may not be suitable for others. But you don't have to go to Munir maqdah statements that only list. Probably not even your list.
Shame on such a lovely post with discussion key fingerprint and tnsachviot directions. Let's get back to the main topic.

To me, your stage to continueimtl41485.5900347222
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#40 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:08:17 PM(UTC)
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It's better to continue with info/forum. It's a shame to fill this wonderful thread detail doesn't touch the track itself.
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