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ofer  
#1 Posted : Monday, August 5, 2013 11:57:44 PM(UTC)
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I would like to correct a common mistake among friends (hope I'm not misleading anyone), I came across many forum discussions.

Claim: in the case of tent three seasons, the promise of resistance to heavy rains is not reliable.

Let us take an example: what is the meaning of 3000 mm tent? Well, in my opinion, this means that the tent is supposed to withstand in excess of 0.3 atmospheres. How I came to that conclusion? 3000 mm water column pressure is approximately 0.3 atmospheres.

Is it ensures that our tent remain dry in terms of storm Well, no! I have just returned from Scandinavia and experiential journey a number of terrible storms. My tent (3000 mm) was sweating. So the sleep sack licked sweat very much. In this case no following condensation of sweat-that-but the rain was very high due to the crazy winds. Actually so insane that vent is depositing air from was perfect and condensation was negligible to non-existent.

True, there was a leak from the bottom. But that's another story. In summary: the tent three seasons not promising you in extreme conditions. The outer sheet shall not be pressure-resistant rain storms where the wind is strong. Therefore, some meaning given for high resistance to milmterim.

No doubt, 1200 mm is given. Good for rain with no winds. To ihom-assault cases went to 5000 mm, or 4 seasons tent (probably had planned to very high resistance). More expensive, but probably have better quality and less weight. In this area can mean the difference between welfare and nightmare.

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easyman  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, August 6, 2013 12:39:12 AM(UTC)
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Double tent four seasons usually weighs 3 pounds easy.
While there will be rains and beautiful spirits intended for 9.
His problem is condensation in higher detail.
Almost no fan but chimneys and the entrance to most if
One entrance.
Designed for mountain climbers and especially if harsh and windy class.
There are 3 seasons tents stand from beautiful, rough
Need to stretch my tent and strengthen the stakes and ropes.
Of course it would be better if the rain cover.
But even monolayer TARPTENT stands pretty in wind and rain if you stretch it properly, I would say that the TARPTENT is 5000 mm monolayer.
Condensation problem but if liner and vents are also increasing.
An example of this is the 4 seasons tent FERRINO considered easier
Total weight 2.8 kg.
Monolayer.



:
MIN WEIGHT (Kg/g) 2.3 Kg
MAX WEIGHT (Kg/g) 2.8 Kg
VOLUME (m3) 1.3 m3
DIMENSIONS (cm)
14x43 cm
Data and image above.
And more heavier FERRINO and designed for harsh conditions.
Four seasons too.
And those data weighs 4.8 pounds! Rain cover.
4000 mm.
:
MIN WEIGHT (Kg/g) 4.2 Kg
MAX WEIGHT (Kg/g) 4.8 Kg
VOLUME (m3) 1.7 m3
DIMENSIONS (cm)
20x50 cm
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, August 6, 2013 3:47:53 AM(UTC)
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Which tent used in Scandinavia?
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, August 6, 2013 10:49:46 AM(UTC)
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Ofer thanks for sharing.

I think taking a special case with 3 season tent * yours * and reasoning into the rule.
What might your tent flap Do you think a piece of 3000 mm stated he believed?

Also, I didn't understand the syllogism:
4 seasons tent = > more > more expensive = > quality = less weight.
In my experience, challenged the last conclusion at all.

BTW, when will any report, or in your blog?
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, August 6, 2013 3:09:55 PM(UTC)
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Hello friends,
My tent is Orix piorland (introduced him before here). I was wrong and my outdoor curtain opacity is 2000 mm (3000). See specs here.


Can truly be justice with harmonic wave but I think my date was correct and well milmterim the bgschm that comes with torrential winds the manifold leak.

Four seasons in AHL intent was to sort of direct 2
Incidentally, for a variety of light tent can see also here
If you exit then recent lists here.

Harmonic wave, give some brief review at the Forum last long trails and later post perhaps something:) blogbrand ofer41492.5082638889
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, August 6, 2013 3:35:41 PM(UTC)
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BRAND OFER light tents are linked.
But they're not good 4 seasons some some 3 seasons 3 + seasons.
4 seasons tent 3 pounds is relatively heavy (like the examples I gave), without networking, hard and impermeable 4000 mm to 10000 mm. and even tents 5 seasons, more resistant to polar expeditions,
4 seasons not intended for aiikrim or trails,
Therefore intended for mountain climbers in cold regions Alaska, Northern Scandinavia, Lapland, (even if you can do three seasons).
Example: If you have אוהל3 seasons-coverage (LATITOU3 FERRINO)
Three tent weighs 2.8 that traveled if equipment and put the bike on the balcony sometimes, rain cover, 3000 mm and 3000 mm floor.
I traveled with him in cold areas also bike and storms.
Of course I pulled him right though about himself used pegs and ropes and where it is impossible to put pegs and pegs
And never had a problem in class 41, even in a snowstorm.
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Another example I have tarptant D R weighs +130 pounds 1.17 g liner stands pretty in the snow and wind and rain and is
Without cover if NIS liner, stretch If p ropes.
Properly even if strong canes. I think this 3 + seasons.
Henry says.
Table
Tent 2 seasons-monolayer supermarket tent for spring summer autumn country might weight 1.5 kg.
3 seasons most aiikrim tents or trails or bicycle weigh 800 grams easier as tarptant and similar to most of NIS, pound, most weighing about two pounds or so. Standing in the wind and rains torrential rains not some terrible storms.
3 + seasons those three seasons tents and resistant to strong rains and winds, and storms like tents FERRINO TARPTENT and if Red cover MSR HUBBA HUBBA 3000 mm, several tents of M H TNF etc.
Four seasons tents, heavy storms, hail, rain and extreme cold also has easier BIVVY for the traveler.
Mostly Mary climbers tend to thicken at low.
There are also easier BIVVY climbers.
5 Seasons tents 6 pounds heavier and longer expeditions to polar or extreme conditions.
6 meet the astronauts may soon for Mars.
Or the path to the moon. 41492.5518287037 easyman
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, August 6, 2013 4:31:31 PM(UTC)
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The Finch to 1000 tent's opacity means that the fabric lasts without water if water pole one meter at one point.

Check often comes with the letters HH the Hydrostatic Head facts

2000 AHL cells three seasons, 3000 for four seasons.

The penetration of water is 800 mm.

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#8 Posted : Tuesday, August 6, 2013 6:02:24 PM(UTC)
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Ma, things that I enrolled and commentary has exactly the same meaning. Isiman, three seasons + ... The point is that strong storms produce great pressure. And these conditions prevailing for hours and hours, you start to squeeze back in order to keep the Interior dry. Snow, by the way, of course, less provlmeti since the outer curtain sealed solid matter. And another thing, I wouldn't count on tarptant in case of storm. The tent is supposed to produce a protected environment which facilitates recovery. I don't see the tarptant helps you when you're on the verge of hypothermia and cold, rain and wind threatened.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 6, 2013 6:30:46 PM(UTC)
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Lying or extreme cold what can dream now in this heat.
You're in a tent all tent three seasons 3 + 4 not important
The aim of the tent to keep you dry and protected from wind.
If the tent is built strong and nervous attention.
And the Interior has gear ש"קש and mattress meets.
I don't see any reason why there should be a problem.
But if you really can't press tent of intense and prolonged rain mark tent may not be suitable for such conditions and strong enough
So why would you pay $ 275 tarptant + shipping apparel and taxes?
But before I checked the course reviews and review on BPL and sites
Others considered here and all the reviews Tharp tenet faced harsh conditions so I bought. Although it is almost new but was with him during the winter in Europe, SUB ZERO snow on more than rain or rain mixed with snow. (I checked it on Earth in rain and strong and beautiful).
There was no problem at all except for shbathala not draw properly and gets water from below, a conclusion should train well in equipment before setting up and using space and ground sheet-liner thing helps keep
The dry tent.
Strong storm North only 4 seasons tent designed for extreme conditions will be beautiful.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 6, 2013 9:30:10 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = brand ofer] Ma, things that I enrolled and commentary has exactly the same meaning. Isiman, three seasons + ... The point is that strong storms produce great pressure. And these conditions prevailing for hours and hours, you start to squeeze back in order to keep the Interior dry. Snow, by the way, of course, less provlmeti since the outer curtain sealed solid matter. And another thing, I wouldn't count on tarptant in case of storm. The tent is supposed to produce a protected environment which facilitates recovery. I don't see the tarptant helps you when you're on the verge of hypothermia and cold, rain and wind threatened.


If the wrong size is same meaning so be it.
Anyway when I send a spacecraft to the moon to check the good size arrangements. Before launch.
ofer  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, August 7, 2013 12:22:45 AM(UTC)
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, What a difference of magnitude? 1000 mm = 1 meter water column water column = 0.1 atmosphere. (10 m water column produces approximately one atmosphere of pressure).
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, August 7, 2013 12:33:19 AM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = brand ofer] Ma, things that I enrolled and commentary has exactly the same meaning. Isiman, three seasons + ... The point is that strong storms produce great pressure. And these conditions prevailing for hours and hours, you start to squeeze back in order to keep the Interior dry. Snow, by the way, of course, less provlmeti since the outer curtain sealed solid matter. And another thing, I wouldn't count on tarptant in case of storm. The tent is supposed to produce a protected environment which facilitates recovery. I don't see the tarptant helps you when you're on the verge of hypothermia and cold, rain and wind threatened.


Ofer,
Tharp's status in Icelandic storms they can be crazy. There are no plants that protect you. Ditto in New Zealand similar to Norway insofar.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, August 7, 2013 12:55:26 AM(UTC)
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You mean to TARPTENT imtel which model (I have D RAINBOW)?
Because I'm really curious how climate can go with him.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, August 7, 2013 1:49:23 AM(UTC)
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That atarp was standing in storms is one thing, what happens to him is another doctor. If your name is Eyal Tharp is also that you can do without. If your name is Ofer, Tharp is that is like ... In short – a privilege that Tharp I can't afford, I guess I'm a lot more physically vulnerable to you.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, August 7, 2013 2:21:55 AM(UTC)
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I use BIVVY
Weighs 250 grams made breathing waterproof within tarptant (liner against condensation)
In the rain.
But I'm curious what other travelers in the past and opened tarptant
A topic about it.
Intend to travel with him in winter rainy, snowy places and.
Nothing like the winter.

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#16 Posted : Wednesday, August 7, 2013 8:49:22 AM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = brand ofer] that withstood the storm atarp is one thing, what happens to him is another doctor. If your name is Eyal Tharp is also that you can do without. If your name is Ofer, Tharp is that is like ... In short – a privilege that Tharp I can't afford, I guess I'm a lot more physically vulnerable to you.


Legitimate. Never happened to set him anything until today. I hope that will continue.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:36:18 AM(UTC)
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I don't understand. The tarptant much more to monolayer big tent fan than Tharp shelter made from root for and including floor. Therefore not surprising that in severe weather.
Doesn't it?
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#18 Posted : Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:00:12 AM(UTC)
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There are different qualities of silaniilon.
Silnylon shield as far
Http://thru-hiker.com/materials/coated.php
Considered successful and independent measurements have shown that stands on HH 3500mm
All the terfim of this asilaniilon are MLD
The memory of a few other silaniilons showed very disappointing numbers.

I don't know what numbers to nylon used in tarptent.com, but I don't suppose it's because it's expensive stuff silnylon shield (so I don't think there's a 3500ממ mode)

About cuban (zpacks's terfim) that depends in part on the thickness

I also agree with whoever said the shape of the tent and how he has established
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#19 Posted : Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:28:05 AM(UTC)
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Post relevant

Note that Gil also impact:
Silnylon, materials such as Epic, and rely heavily on Nanotech, surface tension to achieve their protection. Smoke, dust do, cause a significant reduction and aging in their ".

The amount of UV exposure also affects

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#20 Posted : Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:04:15 PM(UTC)
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Thank iFOREX. Make sure the laofen construction of the tent has an effect, and I tend to accept that getting older and losing qualities (my tent was four). In particular the interesting link that brought table:



Note the inscription in white at the bottom of the table:
The drops hitting the tent at a speed of 20 meters per second (= 72 km/h) pressure of 2.04 atmospheres (!) that is more than 10 viral 2000 mm of this important statistic because a few have storms GUSTS approaching this intensity. Winter storms in our country may be characterized in vivid computers running.

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