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Eli TheHiker  
#1 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:03:32 AM(UTC)
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Hello everyone,

Sadly (especially because it happened to me for the first time in 15 years) wanted to report and update on trail travelers stealing landfill which was about 1 km trail at the point where Israel trail out 258 road (approximately 20 km south of Arad in clay.)
A huge, approximately 30 liters of water and canned food and she was well hidden in one of the streams of 300 meters from the highway and 15 feet from the ashes after trees and vegetation.
After a hard clay and River towards the end of the day we came to a huge and all water bottles were empty every drop and tin cans. It is unclear whether the water spilled on purpose or not because there were signs of slight moisture near the trees.

When we arrived in the morning on Friday to make the huge, saw several vans around the way already and so felt that followed nlchn tried to hide the huge and split into three different places and that didn't help and everything was empty.
At the end of the car and saw a man standing on one of the hills and a lookout. After he saw us going on the road toward 31 to hitch to Neve Zohar to the vehicle, and the US until the intersection with route 31. And (he said) he maintains a small construction site equipment, was an army Tracker and what he said, convoys with camels in the area all the time especially in recent times and take anything that didn't belong and why he's there.

The case risks:
Highly recommended for exploring the site to carry additional water to guarantee (everyday than drink per day average) for such cases, not sleeping in an open area near the road and not rely on the landfills at 100%.

Please note.


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#2 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 11:47:27 AM(UTC)
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The guy is right about the camels.
The clay is a path of camel caravans


You are right also about surveillance.
Hardly the shining far away saw guys come and tzteptim on the surface, probably to see if accidentally left car around.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 3:29:50 PM(UTC)
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A guy at work that my laughed when I told him.
Especially when said "we've hidden ו"פיזרנו "3 photos"
Claimed his Bedouin had disassociated themselves from the military there is no way to hide.

According to the Bedouin trail knew where some people, what weight, whether they are experienced or not, walk height is eiiphim, and of course where we hid. Sereje4ka 41567.5213657407
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#4 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 3:32:02 PM(UTC)
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And they're taking everything regardless.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 3:49:48 PM(UTC)
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More or less stolen too in the same place.

Covered in rocks and buried it yet stolen.

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#6 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 4:05:02 PM(UTC)
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To me,

Thanks for the update (I was considering changing the title of the report, to emphasize the danger of bastmchot on setting water area).

I think this is a serious event that you found water bottles when they're empty.

As I remember previous reports about theft – unlike notified "Nur" travel's never stolen or reported injured.

Since water damage can indicate a severe case of alleged theft "normal" should I expand and describe the find in detail (for example, if all the water bottles were found empty instead, increased likelihood of injury, since it's hard to believe the thieves drank thirty liters.)

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#7 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 5:56:47 PM(UTC)
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All the bottles were empty.
Eli TheHiker  
#8 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 8:50:08 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = went Hebrew] me,

Thanks for the update (I was considering changing the title of the report, to emphasize the danger of bastmchot on setting water area).

I think this is a serious event that you found water bottles when they're empty.

As I remember previous reports about theft – unlike notified "Nur" travel's never stolen or reported injured.

Since water damage can indicate a severe case of alleged theft "normal" should I expand and describe the find in detail (for example, if all the water bottles were found empty instead, increased likelihood of injury, since it's hard to believe the thieves drank thirty liters.)


I updated some details in the original message.

It is a serious incident and I blame no one seems to have poured the water on purpose and took away the food that some ashimors were open and lying on the floor. If it was someone very hungry depended for survival, so the situation was quite different.
The problem was to change the programs in place, but bilists coming from the South and rely on the warm days caching can certainly stop for walking because of.


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#9 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:04:21 PM(UTC)
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Between Arad to mitzpe Ramon (farm/camping) selling phenomenon for years. About the empty water bottles.
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#10 Posted : Monday, October 21, 2013 9:51:41 AM(UTC)
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I know it might be.
But I'm all for plant or similar grenades (and fatal) harm some thieves and maybe teach them some lesson.
Maybe color bomb? (With some chili for dessert.)
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#11 Posted : Monday, October 21, 2013 10:25:58 AM(UTC)
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Elie, Serge, thanks for reporting.

I think someone wanted you to stay thirsty-and had it is important that you know that!

(His motives can only be guessed; prank-desire to discourage hikers from non-profit area, e.g. by directing travellers to resourceful water spring backdrop of hostility or else who knows ...)


To understand, you should distribute event information-your own discretion.

I think that you can avoid caching – there are alternatives. Walking breaks 41568.3133564815
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#12 Posted : Monday, October 21, 2013 10:55:24 AM(UTC)
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I was thinking earlier that it. But on second thought, I kinda think that this is a normal theft (fill ג'ריקאן).

God forbid I not racist, but people who I suspected-they don't have enough intelligence to realize that stealing water is dangerous, or at least a little bit. those who plant.
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#13 Posted : Monday, October 21, 2013 4:01:33 PM(UTC)
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Bedouins don't steal water and certainly not pour them on purpose.
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#14 Posted : Monday, October 21, 2013 4:16:51 PM(UTC)
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I don't know the topic, but there's a reason not to steal from the water?
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#15 Posted : Monday, October 21, 2013 5:04:39 PM(UTC)
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When Dewey steals water he knows he is risking someone's life. They steal everything but water.
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#16 Posted : Monday, October 21, 2013 5:31:15 PM(UTC)
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This is really not convincing. And I don't want to continue on this particular issue because it wraps the discussion among us Liberals seem quite out of place.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:37:53 PM(UTC)
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Being a desert camel.
Or drink from natural sources,
Or carry the water on their backs.
Eli TheHiker  
#18 Posted : Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:52:41 PM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = יאור1] being a desert camel.
Or drink from natural sources,
Or carry the water on their backs.


That's usually what I do in most cases, but here was the relatively close to the planned and we got in the car, so I didn't see a good reason not to do caching.

[QUOTE = went Hebrew] me, Serge, thanks for reporting.
To understand, you should distribute event information-your own discretion.

That's why I brought this case to the attention of many here who know that such incidents can happen and should be ready for this and always carry water for minimal backup.

Because there is no proof who took and did not see the point spread elsewhere, but I don't have a problem someone else mentions the case with reference to the original post.



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