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gaggag  
#21 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 12:51:41 AM(UTC)
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Eduardo after army tour in South America is different from other tours:
About 80 percent of the time sleeping in hostels, in the cities and only the remaining time is used in full space gear (tents, cooking equipment, keyboard) so judgment here, especially regarding economic cost is used.
Another consideration is the weight of a full field equipment + full equipment "trip city" tumbles can consider. remember that it is a long trip eventually.

I would recommend this:
-Do not buy at all-rent or buy one of the cheaper doita. There's no reason to bring him in the whole continent, Peru and Bolivia also is included in the price.
TNF's shcsh gold or kazoo.
Shoes-measured and tested from hikers.

I bought shcsh comfort with four of up $ doita although weighs 250 pounds, but weight and served me well (not upside down).

Also listed is no tax natels but because the city is built on tourism, so prices there have been in the area of the land anyway you can buy everything there.

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#22 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 1:21:35 PM(UTC)
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Gabriel.
In that case, the equipment quality has not changed over the past 8 years (2-4 kg is that average minus in).
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#23 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 3:06:09 PM(UTC)
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Yes of course, I just hate to see people find a great deal of money on equipment that is not used.
In South America, because every time I go out for leaving the hostel isn't necessary shcsh equipment heavier but significantly cheaper can be a great solution, all chnel equipment.
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#24 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 3:48:54 PM(UTC)
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I travel olteraliit (hiking) or light backpack town too if all equipment including ש"קש
12 quilt and liner, tarptant + liner and floor cloth, clothing and thermal insulation and weather possible rain suit, titanium Cookware of oalia and Shabbat 21B, 're letting her in water GEIGERING locker system under pressure and air filters and GEIGERING SAWYER weigh 100 grams each and purifying drops, canes, stakes and pegs, RA estimates, repairs, iPad, media kit, and flashlight batteries, Smartphone head + small flashlight led And, Ortlieb, stationery, binoculars, air mattress, pillow, and tzimiden compact umbrella fold of OUTDOOR domestic and maintains the equipment and is also used as a backpack doesn't rain rain in coverage and in a backpack inside a bag of SEA TO SUMMIT as opaque water etc small quilt, one lock and locking network. All equipment including everything excluding food and water weighs 11.3 kilos right after much thought on buying equipment, hiking gear part stays at most lockers here purge water or fill in the villages, there are villages in trekking but take a pound per day
The problem is not only carrying a backpack hiking also off to the hotel sometimes go 5 miles, so you need to travel light in any situation.
Not only the heavy traveler who treks over 12 pounds in the pod, especially girls (maybe the Israeli jeep can carry), who travels over 12 pounds to walk if trolly, wheels and wheel rzrovi or IBM/take it easy compact folding cart.
Get inside a backpack or trolley trekking e load up the backpack/compact algla wheel replacements. 41579.5609027778 easyman
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#25 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 5:14:46 PM(UTC)
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Easyman-I wish we all would like supplies but of course it's unreal and particularly girl "out" to South America. Need to adjust the equipment taking into account ownership.
In South America you see girls first go with Hotchkiss and don't have a clue how to deal with it, some buy a suitcase.
After breaking their backs.


I'm currently more "constructive" arsenal gear and take me at least 3 more years and long walks to reach a minimum level.
Nevermind I have patience.
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#26 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 8:31:10 PM(UTC)
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Gabriel-I agree, but there are three things that I would spend a little more money and a trip to South Africa-a backpack and shoes.

With a tent can always manage somehow.

Other equipment can find replacements.

Izzy.
What do you think your backpack weight trekking? 41579.7868055556 with me
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#27 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 9:09:32 PM(UTC)
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Under 10 pounds-ultra Lite
Under 7 pounds.
Under standard nine KB
Over 10 kilos heavier.
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#28 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 9:48:25 PM(UTC)
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Good question and answers.
The main answer depends on the nature, conditions, equipment and water sources, the basic equipment.
1-pod = 1 kilo
Winter shcsh quilt 12 "= 850 g-used cold, rainy trip. (Hope I didn't make a mistake to take the incessant rains.)
ש"קש hot places or summer = 550 g quilt,
640 g EXPAD SIMLITE pad (not the fan air models such as NEO)
Tarptant DR = 1.17 + יינר130 g + tiibk = 180 g,
Clothing in the case are currently considering a winter coat, suit, reverse = 380, 400 600 thermal fleece, gloves, hat, warm neck 2 pairs of socks = 400 to 500 g, 700 g of nachlipt rain but MARMOT rain pants, then at least always me
Of course summer weight clothing drops.
Topic packs, patches, bathing, stationery + lishl. 62 g everything a pound.
Titanium Cookware set and + oalia + 're letting her in titanium plate = +500 g a 500 g ethanol (depending on the terms of purchase) VIVOBEARFOOT = 220 camp shoes made good as sandals,
Batteries, unlocked, said SPOT satellites (then allowed to take), it's in the trip or a winter Trek comes לכ8 to 9 pounds if that empty locker 150 g and 200 g, filters
Food water is already another calculation depends on the terrain.
Cold conditions like now I download from attire and לכ7 pounds. (All in theory what that weighs food and water).
The snowy mountains are no way to descend from sisioavali equipment get 10 pounds, but villages so there are places to purchase most water abundant streams and rivers.
In tours, carry weight,

To be olterliit needs Z equipment PACKS a backpack of a 400-pound tent made 500 g, ש"קש
I'm not thrilled that their equipment in terms of strength and durability.
So maybe I was considered light but if strong and durable equipment.
Then the troll trying to sting in tables to prove I'm not ultra Lite
I don't have the energy to deal with Ma mad and I don't want to upset.
No troll guess and assume once you have someone who understands a little more. Easyman 41579.7986342593
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#29 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 10:09:51 PM(UTC)
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Without going into these or other settings,
This basic weight (at least for me) but if you really want to trim weights, I think there are some people who are half the weight (not me) and you should consult the Forum (to upload a list of equipment).

I think these bmshklim it has been mostly a matter of approach and less of this equipment.

But that's another discussion relevant to this discussion.
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#30 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 10:12:43 PM(UTC)
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Why irrelevant ones arriving .If such measures if travelers Z PACKS and equipment wasn't excellent. lift if their tent their backpack is for 8 pounds have easy and powerful, pod
Need to settle for ease and strength.
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#31 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 10:53:32 PM(UTC)
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First of all, they have shoes from here after using TMB. This is indeed an important point and feel. The girls who neither Lite ultra Lite, surely must be off. First road trip!!! So we all learn the hard way, I guess you're the first.
If the tent comes from China during great, if not, then I suppose the solution of PUNTA ARENAS at DOITE or rent would be a good solution. I thought that it is good to go with a tent, because a week after they landed in Buenos Aires and a direct flight to oaushoaya, they come to TORRES DEL PAINE and want to make the Trek there. But indeed, or go with a Chinese tent, or yurt that damn DOITE there or something.

Gabrielle seemed to understand my attitude: I don't want to spend $ 2,000 in equipment, I don't know how much use, maybe after the first trek to say: this far. On the other hand I went to Izzy because I wanted to be sure (though I am buying in China cheaply) that still stands in inmalim criteria: thanks again.
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#32 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 10:56:49 PM(UTC)
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I suppose by this massive scale. And I'm okay with that.
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#33 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 11:06:51 PM(UTC)
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You climb a mountain with snow if 15 k, not including water and food,
Give up quickly and get on there ass such ceremonies.
All travel should strive for quality equipment. 41579.8388657407 easyman
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#34 Posted : Saturday, November 2, 2013 12:20:33 AM(UTC)
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Eduardo-contact me for info if you want more explanation or you travel lecture/Ricochet or direct sellers and a comprehensive explanation on "the trip". Everyone would know enough to help you.
If you pay $ 100 for additional tent so in comparison Barnes sold similar doita 60 bucks but it's really a price floor.

BTW speaking of torosim lots of people coming to her from the main welcome air very quickly and repeat tracks.
After a day of rain and mostly girls are missing.

Isiman-your opinion also preferred a little heavier, but much more. I think with three main components – a tent, backpack and soft shcsh are already most of the way "in order to be traveling easy. The rest of the equipment is less a factor in terms of weight. Gaggag 41579.8946990741
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#35 Posted : Saturday, November 2, 2013 1:03:56 AM(UTC)
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Izzy, you said you travel with over 11 pounds. So it's a little strange you say.
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#36 Posted : Saturday, November 2, 2013 6:47:06 AM(UTC)
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Over 11 pounds in 2 k not maybe 3 unnecessary equipment for staying at the hotel until I return,
In this case, but there is also another trek that I start from point a and end point b therefore have to carry extra pounds 2.
Because this is not a trek back to the starting point.
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#37 Posted : Sunday, November 3, 2013 12:15:32 AM(UTC)
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[QUOTE = easyman] why is irrelevant


Irrelevant because the subject thread is for South Africa. "
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#38 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 2:02:31 PM(UTC)
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Hello everyone again.

For the record, I want to note that I ordered 3 items (tent, k. and inflatable zronit) the three items from China but from different vendors.

The order was placed on 31.10 and call a courier that tent on the way to me! Pretty right?

Only a week and that the item I wanted the most. The tent up over $ 300 and I have to pay customs peoplehood as $ 35 SO FAR SO GOOD it opens tonight.

Chinese.!

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#39 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 3:57:50 PM(UTC)
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Really good world record they sent via shipping company you asked?
Now give us some of the tent
Open it in house or outside and stretch and close. Check hose (if water resistance
If entering the water installation silicone and stitches thinner and mix
'Til like olive oil and rub on the seams of the cover if you have Seamless coverage have better check the sealing of the floor, I'm doing this for my tents once or every few usages (give also your daughter to practice opening and folding), usually all small bag packing tents and hard to fold back I recommend that you sew the stitch you packing bag. (Preferably nylon waterproof) something else it is advisable to take light floor sheet like a blanket or thick plastic or TAYVEK signs you don't.
(Recommend to buy a cover for backpack which is locked to צ'ימידן and put the backpack in the face if it, taking the backpack covers that nobody can cut it back but also in branches and tears and maintains the equipment connected to the outside casing price 80 shekels a ricochet or a couple of OUTDOOR model)
Protect and isolate the ground tears and mud and dampness.
Recommend teaching your daughter and her friends some uncertainties or camping camp construction, (it is very important to teach them etiquette, caution, first aid, saving the environment,easyman41585.6419907407
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#40 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 6:11:27 PM(UTC)
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Isiman, what can I say? Travel guide reporter warned and one post! Thanks, I will COPY and PASTE to email.

About the train garden tent this weekend includes a program is put it, and do testing opacity.

Vaccines have already done.

The outdoor tent bag look better than me know.

Thanks again.

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