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antu  
#1 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:10:57 PM(UTC)
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So for sightseeing around quite cool and quite muggy. (New Zealand)
Tour includes treks alongside urban recreation.
Some "layers" do you recommend?

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#2 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:32:09 PM(UTC)
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First of all, welcome to the Forum,
The layers are almost always the same: Fairtrade Foundation layer a little funkier head band-Israel and the sweat and keeps you dry, middle layer that isolates you from the cold air outside and outer layer protects you from wind and precipitation.
What is the variable thickness of the layers (some warm) type (sometimes better, sometimes brass and sometimes synthetic fillers) and quality (if you are going for short or medium seems to not want to spend thousands of dollars

On Gore tex pro shell for example)


Not too many have listed what you are going to do exactly and when.
But did you do trails and the weather will be rainy.

I was taking 1 or 2 set of thermal clothing as a base layer. Thin to medium thickness (usually thermal layers come in three types of easy, medium, thick)
Synthetic jacket with a hoodie as middle layer wet environment. Bare necessities and fairly expensive in d.
And startairing (raincoat/storm) not expensive. Not expensive as Gore tex membrane or Hyvent. But something simpler, you can get a very high quality stuff in a few hundred dollars.

Of course, gloves and a hat.

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#3 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:36:37 PM(UTC)
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Thank you
I call here occasionally,
About the middle layer-didn't understand so if you're aiming to brass, soptchl or a jacket with synthetic filling (so it's heavy and bloated?)
There is a specific model you can recommend? For say $ 800
(I went through some shops and saw it was more or less price range I Reali)
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#4 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:57:03 PM(UTC)
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With the middle layer actually has the most "game". There are various materials can match.
Possible medium thick brass. There are successful models with Polartec Thermal, with very good heat weight note that brass alone, do not provide a solution. But in combination with a raincoat will give a good answer. A popular method that I use.

Allow the coat with synthetic reverse. " For example Prima loft or another brand of synthetic fill. For example I have The North Face Redpoint , weighs about 500 grams. Very warm and synthetic fill. Into his own pocket and shrinks the size of the book value. Costs in the 500.

Coat Badan enable true geese are very expensive, ranging in the $ 1000 or more. They are very light and very warm. The disadvantage is the price and the fact that much upside loses the ability to his isolation. Although Israel's outerwear to undergoing a process allegedly maintain insulation capability even when wet.

Either way, I don't recommend you to go for the soptchl solution. They look good, flattering and sexy sector. But they're very expensive and provide solutions to the problem that you don't have to deal with. Physical activity and cold conditions and/or snow without rain.

Recommend that you visit stores and see the supply, measure to see what sitting what you good price range.

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#5 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:46:06 PM(UTC)
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Just a clarification, synthetic fill jackets is the same material inside synthetic sleeping bags
That is well insulated and easy-although not as backwards, but almost.
And it's not about the materials that produce synthetic coats like Teddy bear and others.
Its advantage compared to the price is, as Arthur.
The fleece, which is cheaper than both heavier (both) and isolated as well (both),
Has the advantage that is somewhat isolated, even when wet, which his heibosh much simpler (and is significantly cheaper).
Therefore no temperature too low, and a lot of rain (and I think New Zealand answering these settings)
May be you should go for FLEISS, even if the budget allows more advanced and easier.
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#6 Posted : Friday, December 13, 2013 11:20:45 AM(UTC)
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Colombia found something that looks like an ideal solution-soptchl that blocks wind with synthetic filling.
Http://www.amazon.com/Co...-Mens-Zonafied-Softshell Jacket/dp/B00E1HIBZO.
What is your opinion?
The only problem is that it is incredible sells for $ 135 and the country store at 1400 (!!).
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#7 Posted : Friday, December 13, 2013 4:35:57 PM(UTC)
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As one who returned last May of six months in pispic includes New Zealand I took serious rain jacket (North pace), thin (100) brass and brass 200 more in case of a serious source (the summer is like our winter), thermal shirt a minute of sabaziro (פאקטור1).

I don't like the soptshlim in rainy weather, the Earth are great and they do that on our rain but abroad they don't dock rain and witnessed it.

We called stark Chris DART 5 guys and 4 today was supposed to be rainy, all explore with raincoats of large companies and one dated soptchl of Columbia (that shiny inside and warmed to death), and eventually after 5 hours in the pouring rain without a break we all dry (Sorry didn't get rain proof) and the guy with the wet soptchl to azzomtav.

Soptchl it's nice and sporty look and impervious to wind and heat but rain is not serious (unless it's soptshlim that cost $ 1000 or more opaque)

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#8 Posted : Friday, December 13, 2013 4:51:43 PM(UTC)
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Soptshlim cost $ 3000, too (from experience, I use alpine climbing Alpine Project TNF) atoms. Because of the simple reason that they weren't meant to be.
I've got stitches garment disposal cannot be completely waterproof. But it is Anish. The industry usually is about 20.000 mm water to get clothes page "Waterproof".

Anyway about Colombia's coat. I haven't seen the link you attached but this coat looks heavy and takes up a lot of space. And, of course, will not provide a good solution to intensive activity in a strong wind.
There were many situations where I was with a t-shirt evaporates up to this Summit, and when I was on the Ridge I was exposed to a strong wind. Since I was still with a heavy and I didn't want that coat rapidly heat me only protect me from persecuting spirit Q:
That's why I put the startairing over the t shirt.

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#9 Posted : Friday, December 13, 2013 7:41:10 PM(UTC)
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Trying to find someone who might be coming from.
Even if he/she there at, can send some previous address and ask to keep them.

You may have even cheaper to get it via shipping companies (don't forget to add VAT and customs to the total cost depending on the product):

Http://www.themarker.com/consumer/1.595648

I am also going through the same process and unfortunately regarding rims, the dollar (relative to the price in the U.S.) is at least 10 per dollar.

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Another option:

Check the outlet of Colombia. No u.s. prices, but certainly cheaper than "ordinary" stores in the country.
Http://www.saar.com/heb/index.php?instance_id=&actions=show&id=1992&prod_level=1

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#10 Posted : Monday, December 16, 2013 6:11:26 PM(UTC)
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Anyone here know how to tell the difference between

The north face apex bionic jacket

And the north face apex St. elias?

The two looked thin more more different?

In addition to what the members here on Power POLARTEC fleeces from Strech like soptchl, brass, whether it's warm as standard polertec/waterproof?

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#11 Posted : Tuesday, December 17, 2013 12:18:53 PM(UTC)
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The difference between Sha ST. ELIES, if I'm not mistaken is more elastic and flexible and gives freedom of movement more APEX. "rovti feel.

The Fawwar briefs nice thing, is very elastic and flexible and addresses of polartec heat. (Depending on the thickness of the brass, Eve the pooarstertz ' relatively thin)

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#12 Posted : Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:17:17 PM(UTC)
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I went to lost with all those options.

Is there anyone who uses running clothing Running tights have evaporates very easy and warm (unlike thermal tights). Has run a very soft coats (Batumi harbour water and wind are also breathable EVENT but for example!) into your Pocket!

I think the most appropriate running clothing. They are lighter, breathe and their destiny is also space jaunt that silk between that and walk.

Anyone use MERINO WOOL? Thermal clothing on sale in COLUMBIA

Artur, increases that did, didn't have too hot in anything not breathing Why don't you recommend GORETEX and others like it?

About flip if put on top layer "isolated" rain jacket/wind, why did you make irtav?

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#13 Posted : Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:29:05 PM(UTC)
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The question of neutrino:
Will differentiate between base layer-Layer attached to the body to deal with moisture (and to some)
And insulation layer-that is isolated.
As I understand, most shirts/thermal tights I know are the first layer clothing that should be attached to the body and so isolated, but rather allow sweat evaporation.
Naturally have their thickness and can feel (hands) the thickness differences between thermal shirt/pants ה"מיועדים" climate and less activity.
Clothing for jogging and bicycle (I travel with cycling Jersey) — are usually thin version of "thermal" clothing and generally made from polyester (at least mine) just like most ה"תרמיים clothes.
So, for that matter — "a very minute thermal shirt is" run "t-shirt, running thick cloth shirt have emerged is" thermal shirt. (And the same with "running tights" versus "thermal tights, BTW.)

The isolated layer get wet even if your coat completely sealed because if you dig in,/your sweat will accumulate inside the jacket and you wet.
Anyone who did know the ski of the end of the day, the sweat drenched clothes and knits you suddenly cold.
Gore-Tex and others like it should (as if) to solve this problem and let the sweat to evaporate through the jacket, although it is opaque.
The thing is specified when weather Rivne,
When the shtemp around 0-10 Celsius and rain, so no disease, fan and you get wet anyway. So many times with Gore-Tex and Gore-Tex. doesn't really matter.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:29:55 PM(UTC)
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1. There is a significant difference between St. Elias and Apex Bionic, except more tailored sector "of the first. Both are made from the same material Aphex nortefiis's. You choose what you sit you better.

2. Powerstretch is brand of Polartec fabric maker. But Larijani had brass tspoch and sterch. Unlike soshptchl, this jacket typically comes as a mid layer heats and insulated outer layer I love this stuff it gives freedom of movement and relative isolation from his weight. Any company that respects itself and produces tours and climbing equipment produces at least one coat of this stuff.

I also use Merino Wool, what's the question?

4. when I said above not breathing? Increases I do usually hot. Because it has to be dynamic and to bring in the file one side clothing system doesn't consider the lot and give all the conditions can be created-these cards and you play the game. Simplified, and combines different layers.

5. I'm a big fan of gorkets. I have a few coats and trousers with this membrane, but it is important to understand that Gore-Tex is a brand of the company w. l. Gore, a company that sells its product to other clothing companies and demand for the material and its brand (on any Gore-Tex is explicitly with Gore-Tex) money, which a Baker. That's why I wouldn't recommend Gore-Tex, for example, a person who wants to go on a trip for a simple reason that he can handle a simple jacket with membrane that produces clothing for herself. North Face HyVent-Drytech-Mammut Marmot, MeMbrane, and sometimes a thousand shekels.

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#15 Posted : Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:13:16 PM(UTC)
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Friends, thank you very much for your answers.

I like having stuff and order everything has a certain goal (single). Therefore I usually refrain from buying coats they also wind insulation. Because it is less and own versatile sense. My goal eventually is to take light clothing items minimum as far as possible, provide me for the trip. For example I want to take a trip to Switzerland in the summer when the valleys can be quite hot and pretty cold peaks. Therefore, in order to save weight, it is preferable to make REUSE as much as possible.

First layer:

So what I understand is that this layer and how thick is funkier head band-Israel-it's not so important if the insulation is suitable for conditions. Therefore, the mandpt should be relieved as much as possible. Why still have thermal clothing? To add a little more insulation for extreme conditions? Can I add another layer in this case to save weight (take an extra layer easier set of thermal clothing). When it's warm (say in the valleys of Switzerland) you can simply take a walk in the first layer Long running tights? There is a problem?

Second layer:

A lot of options. But if we go back to Switzerland where the mountains weather changes every hour and suddenly rain and cold-probably better brass. Although I don't understand why a inverted under a raincoat should get wet? If going toward some better brass Type, thickness? If backwards, he again recommended the LOFT? Some material for SHELLS? Can not even cause EXTENSION .DWR raincoat? Breathing is very important.

Third layer:

First need to measure it over a layer of insulation, right? I guess this tier should be easy and as much as possible but should be opaque to heaven but breathing. I don't like the rain/wind jackets had that even when wearing them over ndefot shirts, still pretty hot. Some vents would help. At some point I open them but due to pulling in Backpack straps still insufficient ventilation. Eventually I take them off and gets wet washing (if not strong rain) or suffering and cooking. So here I wanted to purchase above dooch breathing and opaque. And why do I mention running jackets, because they fit. Breathe, and much easier than hiking jackets with GORETEX, EVENT etc. For example: runnersworld

With MemBrain Strata membrane waterproof breathable 2.5-layer laminate

230 grams.

There are also UL options by ZPACKS:

Breathe easy: 130 grams Made from BREATHABLE CUBEN FIBER

There is also a Conference:

Weighing 80 grams Even the same material.

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#16 Posted : Sunday, December 22, 2013 1:44:46 AM(UTC)
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Become too warm breathing enough and therefore not appropriate as wearing the uptime like walking.

If it's cold so tormit shirt longer, thicker, can match. Icroplis is also acceptable. People in love that BPL clothing from powerdry. We should seek such a shirt with rizertz, at least in part, so that you can regulate the temperature.
But in many cases trophy over thermal first layer can enough and can spare thermal layer sec/brass (rain jacket isn't breathing and therefore less useful in this context).

The above general comments-I do not know the conditions in Switzerland.
I think it's best to see a variety of equipment lists people who made this trip.

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#17 Posted : Monday, December 23, 2013 10:58:17 PM(UTC)
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AFIX, thanks for your response

I have experience with and therefore my question maybe naivety.

About the breathing of a coat. Has 2 synthetic layers inside and outside. They breathe. Apart from the fact that after breathing EXTENSION .DWR. The "breathing" pour it! that is just. There is also the WALLS.40 are but BAFFLE it shouldn't hurt.

About overheating. The insulation depends on thickness. There are intended for outerwear three seasons as INSULATION layer?

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#18 Posted : Tuesday, December 24, 2013 9:50:30 AM(UTC)
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Deleted my comment.

Big can be divided into two categories-thick and PUFFY-suitable for wear under another layer (good for cold, scene camp, b)

The second category is tighter and lighter outerwear, more suited to the task for example:

Ghost whisperer Golite Selkirk, MH, Sierra Designs Gnar etc.

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#19 Posted : Tuesday, December 24, 2013 2:52:27 PM(UTC)
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Beautiful! Thanks Harmonix!

So what temperature should take a coat? I'd replace flip with brass isolation. Be easier. Not so expensive! $ 120.

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#20 Posted : Tuesday, December 24, 2013 3:16:24 PM(UTC)
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If you're talking about isolation of brass, then definitely the first category is enough (it's really good for the price in the U.S.)
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