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גלילאו  
#1 Posted : Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:25:10 PM(UTC)
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Good week to all,

Recently, I decided to look into how to increase awareness of safety.

A great idea is how to prepare to exit the area, slammed in some ways –

What equipment to take the field and weather conditions, the study took earlier cases, reading a map,

Emergency decisions, etc.

And the bottom line to return home safely, cheesy as that sounds.

Some Forum members recommended open discussion, so asking here to hear attitudes and opinions.

The question is how many people the Israelis are willing to hear and learn?

Or that come in "I served in the paratroopers brigade, Golani, flotilla. I manage a small "?

The purpose is mainly to travelers that go to first trip abroad, but not only.

It is clear to me that a lot of information on the network and who wants to learn.

It refers to something shorter and concise as information bulletin or maybe PDF application. Still don't know.

Obviously not everything depends on us visitors and unexpected situations, but if you can minimize the chance of danger, so why shouldn't you?

Especially if it's free and no large investment, which is the main point.

As mentioned, I'd love to hear your opinion,

Thank you

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#2 Posted : Monday, January 27, 2014 12:52:52 AM(UTC)
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So in order to start the very important thing.

I give my opinion, I never post.

First of all, I think, as it is required to characterize the type of Israelis injured or missing fabric in trips abroad no opinion about experienced hikers who travel the country X to a specific path. But teenagers, often after an army without large experience nature walks, not always even want or plan to stay and just dragged the people they meet.

I think that the target audience that you need to address.

I think Israelis are studying and investigating the perils they leave areas to explore because they simply do not hshopis enough. Take as an example the depth that the Israelis down to him when they check about the equipment and clothing you should take or the attractions they want to do – university level studies. :)

But the dangers don't always think.

I think true disclosure and honest – without unnecessary intimidation which could create antagonism and iatmot – is the right thing to do.

Relevant information should be concise and focused area.

I remember for instance that (now) certain goods store was giving a gift book, information about the country to which you travel.

Ideas for things you can include:

  • Weather in the area.
  • Rescue services phonebook
  • Numbers of reliable and qualified instructors.
  • Specific equipment or clothing which may be relevant to the area.
  • Stores that sell quality equipment in the area.

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#3 Posted : Monday, January 27, 2014 8:14:28 AM(UTC)
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The goal is very important, but the proliferation of information and opinions on the network causes people not to take this seriously.

Over the years, I've encountered several people who tried to do tutorials, courses and others, for example here:

Http://gilad-sade.blogspot.co.il/p/blog-page_24.html or here:

Http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS34VzObWUsQztbSbhExOSG_oCvq4JUpj

"The question is how the Israelis are willing to hear and learn or that come in" I served in the paratroopers brigade, Golani, flotilla. I got it slick? ".

I would say that most Israelis are suitable for the following proverb: "If you don't learn then teach through the head through the legs.

I think the Rabbi (about 90%) First try to explore and trust "is fine and only then considering to learn when you discover that things are not working out as I thought.  Early or late, anyone who want to learn love hiking and internalize but I think first stage low percentage think to learn.

It depends very much who organizes the Turk and the participants, as he/she is experienced, serious and willing to help others learn, it will affect the other's desire to learn.

In fact, in my opinion it is being experienced 40% people know too inexperienced to handle on the ground and 60% rely on other people to get along. No MILF groups think it is divided into 10% people who also know how to handle herself in a territory previously parts experience and 90% rely on this to be okay and don't know what they're coming adventure.

Experienced testing the Global Trek and most prefer to go somewhere new and myself on the ground with what's new and just don't know what to expect and rely on the "OK" and therefore not ready.

I would classify the causes of such accidents:

1) things don't depend on us , no two people can get into the same situation exactly and altogether different situation rather than missing examples.

2) preparation of equipment/information -learn about the track ahead, taking many times clothing/equipment/inappropriate language to increase the chances

For accidents.

3) evaluated the risk wrong , all wrong here, especially experienced ones too. Enter the darkness, going in places too dangerous or too tired,

Underestimate true distances and natural obstacle in the way.

4) lack of skill and experience — seeing someone do something like mountaineering, walking in dangerous places and then trying to figure out the lack of experience/expertise in such vulnerability

And others.

5) complacency and lack of concentration --not much different sports accident happened precisely in places less dangerous because when returning a lot about her.

The task, entering a State of excessive complacency and then lose concentration.  .

6) fatigue and stamina as physical preparation early disclaims and excessive effort while the runway can cause accidents, especially in the last hours of the day.

Each of the above factors increase the risk of accidents, and there is probably no one who can point him out and it's a combination of the above factors.

Personally I think if indeed you do focused Guide, he better be very short, conclusive, or Visual scores he will become another one.

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#4 Posted : Monday, January 27, 2014 10:00:33 AM(UTC)
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Thank you for your advice and explanations!

It's important for me to hear and experience everything I write.

Already met with employees, shopkeepers in the country to hear their opinions.

I'd love to hear more opinions and maybe examples from your experience to know how to really apply it delicately and efficiently not look like

I force myself or this important topic.

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#5 Posted : Monday, January 27, 2014 10:36:52 AM(UTC)
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If someone wants to write a comprehensive article on travel safety – I'd love to put it on the articles.

Amir.
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#6 Posted : Monday, January 27, 2014 11:13:48 AM(UTC)
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Age peace

Firstly, do not indicate that travel abroad (I realized this is the arena where you focus).

I think that before formulating the recommendations should learn how to manage the Israeli traveler.
Recommendations based on real cases, be targeted and convincing than Group guidelines and rules.

If you want to spend time gathering information to learn about the situation fully, you may use the following sources:

Libraries-a good place to start (remember "continental drift" pod by bar, which described the conduct of Israeli travelers in South Africa).

Interviews with him and extracted-may be infinite and focused tool (there are several, not extracted will be hard pressed to locate their names).

The consulates consulates mixed realized most of the extraction. In my opinion, has a definite interest in the Consulate workers try to prevent accidents, but if you don't get to cooperate, trying to contact the Consulate officials already completed.

-Insurance companies and insurance companies specialised in the field can provide useful information.

-Guess you can reached online material, e.g. blogs of (I don't see anything in it, recommend that consult ignorant me).

Fields of research are launching almost convinced conducted sociological research about what motivated backpackers, and conduct.

Good luck.
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#7 Posted : Monday, January 27, 2014 1:55:52 PM(UTC)
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OK I don't know why, but I thought it would be a good idea to share with you is personal story about something that happened to me during the GR20 in 2011. Very predicament I think was the most dangerous I had until today during a trail. Modified weather abnormally, self-confidence, a mistake in judgment. Maybe there are all properties which could cause the story to end while a newspaper article about an Israeli who killed overseas
Copy it Word for Word from my Facebook.

Galileo if you think it's not appropriate here-send me a private message and delete it.

Well Hello again a few days and I keep going South towards Verona, there are some mountains way adamantly sticking to extend me the way they look at us more.

So I got a lot of questions in private some really stupid but there are a few diamonds in this pile of POO.
Then write one that wished to remain anonymous asks have you ever been in a situation where I was sure I was going to die. Nice question! And important!

It returns me back to 2011.
After Israel trail I decided to expand my horizons and try any trail outside of Israel.
In my mind the idea to do the Corsica GR20 mountain. And so I found myself on a ferry from Nice to pine. By ferry, I landed in Nice, France went into the Office that brings out the Commons and proudly said "I want 1 way ticket Corsica please" no problem ", replied the girl in" the ferry leaves at 7 a.m. "
There's no way I'm getting up so early and go look for Caf? ptoach at this time to eat breakfast.
"Hmmm, any chance you say Lady say captain to wait for me or anything like that." I thought it was kind of a small boat and so will be the only one on it so what does it matter when?
The receptionist looked at me like I've fallen from the moon. "tell me."
"" I told her.
"No" is answered
Sassy one I thought to myself.
This morning when I saw a ferry with several decks I swallow it and hundreds of people understand my mistake.

So during the difficult path, one of the toughest in Europe. Met a bunch of teachers did too. There was this one guy that sticks to me, it was a little annoying but I let him because I was a cute English teacher for them.
One day while I sit and drink beer, he came up to me with a twinkle in the eye and say "tell you hear tomorrow has two options to go the regular, boring one and another more difficult and more dangerous and has her on what sounds interesting" mountain "
"Oh yes it is also unchecked"
"So you're telling me is not just harder than agent is also unchecked?" I wanted to be sure I got it right?
"" He said "but as trail there.

I thought about the whole thing and decided I decide tomorrow when I get to where the path splits and, of course, when the moment of decision has arrived. I went on the wrong option is selected in Microsoft security officer is dismissed.
I began the ascent on the ridge and the clouds covered the sky, when I was on the range started with rain that later turned into hail with wind.
But I rather than repeat after me to the Valley, I insisted that I continue toward the mountain no matter what.
At one point when I was already wet although the waterproof clothing into a cloud.
Readers who weren't lucky in cloud, describe the feeling.
Imagine that I see these conditions I didn't see my own nose piece and even for those who do not know.
I had no signs visualisations to orientate them and started to freeze.
I've decided to build my tent on the mountain even though I am in the middle of a thunderstorm with rain and hail and hope for the best.
Thus I was swinging in the wind, all my clothes and wet sleeping bag, don't have food and water are running low. Slough.
I decided I'd rather save my energy and go to bed and hope the cloud will pass until this morning and I can navigate the hell out of here.
I started to fall asleep anymore and then attacked me sworn enemy of anyone who ever tried to sleep on the bladder.
"You don't do it for me now" trying to convince her.
But she insisted
One look at the window of my tent were enough to realize that I'm not coming out lghanum
Gotta figure out a creative solution.

Here I must ask for an apology from. This next part may be blunt.

I remembered I have a can of tuna, little eating the tuna and pees into the pail and throw it into my focus.
Great idea isn't it?
No! Even so!

Dear friends, let me introduce you to a wonderful saying, if you remember anything from this story, remember the saying. "The thought"

I got to talk to a doctor who specializes in injuries and he told me once that his blood flows frozen in an increased way the body core to heat and supply vital organs to the brain becomes corrupted and thus thought ability.
I suppose that's true because that's the only reason I can think of that thought enter my pee into a Tin little tuna
So while I see little tuna can, I suddenly realize that there is no way it will contain everything.
Standing before two choices or I keep peeing and hope as the Hanukkah holiday miracle is enough or should I pee, stops and empty it. Disruptions like that.
Anyone who tried to stop his pee sometime know that this range is impossible to unusually painful. But I went for it.
Stopping and yelling and screaming like that until I was finished.

After all this tragedy I tried to sleep and surprisingly succeeded.
In the morning I woke up-live! Note the nice surprise! I looked outside and saw the rain weakened but still bloody cloud everywhere.

I've decided to fold the tent and try to find your way. PhD student tells me I made the only choice.
"You chose life," he says.
Not exactly thinking about philosophy.
I just wanted to get out of there as fast as you can to warm and dry place with food.
I folded the tent, put everything in my bag and opened it. I tried to understand what I've done okay and where is hell.
Vertigo was serious so I thought I'd go to navigate by compass, this guy never wrong and never lie.
I lifted it and tried to figure out which got Greece most likely shot down from the mountain in one piece.
I started walking and after a while I found the path to the hut.
When I got to the cabin, dirty wet and tired everybody turn and really shocked. They didn't believe I spent the night in a thunderstorm and hail.
French teacher came up to me and said, "in the end I decided to give up the wrong path is marked, I heard it too, but you ... I knew you'd be fine. You survived! "
Nurture me on the back and walked away, leaving me with the nickname that stuck with me ever since the end of the path.

So there you have it. Not always pink.
Someone told me years later that I have no fear.
But that's not true, I'm afraid a lot of things.
But there's a big difference between fear paralyzing fear and crush you and makes you be more focused and more careful.

And most importantly don't let him be bigger than your curiosity.

Miss.
Arthur.
Eli TheHiker  
#8 Posted : Monday, January 27, 2014 2:35:33 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = arthur; 578212]
At one point when I was already wet although the waterproof clothing into a cloud.
I've decided to build my tent on the mountain even though I am in the middle of a thunderstorm with rain and hail and hope for the best.
Arthur.

I guess most people with tents that happened earlier or later trips. Your story really reminded forgotten our first night in Corsica after the infinite and incorrectly estimate the distance to the first cabin. When darkness approached and realized there was no choice but camping place near a water source, discovered we got stuck on the cliff and in tents set up in the dark then came angle no clouds

Although it is over but the lesson for many years ahead.

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#9 Posted : Monday, January 27, 2014 3:44:42 PM(UTC)
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Thank you so much!

Went past, thought of bookstores but not on directories. A great idea!

Arthur is clear. Such experience exactly what I meant and you have writing talent, too.

To me, that sounds really uncomfortable. Luck runs out?

Your signature and summarizes the target must anticipate the worst Hikers to enjoy the best

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#10 Posted : Monday, January 27, 2014 3:46:46 PM(UTC)
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For some reason I wrote a different size font to times.

Don't know why, one with a large letter and line with a regular-sized letter.

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#11 Posted : Monday, January 27, 2014 5:37:53 PM(UTC)
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Read the comments carefully,

Think fit to do categorize as the main shktgoria of "military first" trip.

I think here the most risks, correct me if I'm wrong.

Search and rescue services – went to some already. Might take some time until I get some answers, but I have patience.

In the meantime I found some guys that pass the survival topic courses and preparation for the trip, like Prejean, Guy seroussi, Gilad.

I'm a little conflicted about whether to contact them because they make a living, and I think about something; level only. Seems a bit contradictory and I have no interest in harming the livelihood.

Noam Ziv has a great YouTube channel and I learn from him quite a bit, good job!

Agree we should summarize and short but there is a lot of material. How do you propose to do that?

Maybe to prepare more than one focusing on a specific topic?

For example, one General account on gear, coping with extreme weather, reading maps etc,

And one listing specific areas by trekking, divided into States or continents?

Incidentally, the Word file is just to define. Still unfinished on distribution and advertising.

I'd love suggestions too.

arthur  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:48:28 AM(UTC)
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Heard anything that is going to cost you money newsletter or flipbook maybe.
Contact people online or through lectures in large equipment stores them grocery guys before departure since "or both.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:46:21 AM(UTC)
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Arthur State. but I still collect stage material.

Incidentally, if I misunderstood your first trip abroad after Israel trail?

There's a forum more details or photos from this trip?

Just fun to read what you write:)

S.K.  
#14 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:48:36 PM(UTC)
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Arthur, if was an icon of applause it was there too.

Not just beautiful writing and a fascinating story but with a moral thought of the decision, by the way that was exactly the opposite of the decision (or decision) of the poor.

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#15 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:59:55 PM(UTC)
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Indeed, for two after Israel National Trail and the first time I visited abroad ever.
Unfortunately the thread on lost GR20-I can't find it using the search tool.

But there were no such stories, it was simply reviewing the Bill for those interested to travel there.
The story above, this Copy-Paste from my own Facebook. It's a big deal for me to be exposed by the I d avoid these things.

But I don't want to divert attention from the subject.

Well anyway the waves continue to update us on the progress regarding the blessed one!

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#16 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:31:36 PM(UTC)
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I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions about the unfortunate incident.

Don't think I've posted enough information and therefore it is impossible to know exactly what happened there.

Thanks, I will try to find Arthur to your irshurim here in the Forum.

Will update later.

S.K.  
#17 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:31:07 PM(UTC)
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1. you are right, it is not known what really happened there.
Mentioned several times in the thread subject key available that most esoteric of the visible. To qualify and noted.

2. your message box is full and cannot send you OS.

גלילאו  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:09:37 AM(UTC)
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Already making room for messages.

Looking for more on this story, seen this time Fortunately the end was good.

Milford-New Zealand

S.K.  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:38:16 PM(UTC)
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There are stories, looking for another story credit points at "the Creek" survival story of a pair of hikers stranded a few days in harsh conditions for moving.
Even find real data and the full story of travelling from the Czech Republic to base case analysis used for lessons.

But what's the point of these stories, I have one or two just to arouse interest.

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#20 Posted : Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:16:08 PM(UTC)
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Don't want to take the wind in the sails, but you should study the books market, before you begin the adventure.

Someone wrote up a booklet would cost money, and saving some money.

Libraries acquire novels or nonfiction and what you want to print does not fall within these categories.

The initiative welcome anyway.

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