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HarmonicWave  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, March 4, 2014 10:56:17 AM(UTC)
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Recently, there have been several reports of thefts in the area-probably some gang stalking and waiting for an opportunity to steal the shells manc '.

Full report can be found here.

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Eli TheHiker  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, March 4, 2014 1:19:57 PM(UTC)
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Indeed a disturbing phenomenon that overcoming significant lately, not sure what we can do to eliminate it from the point of view.

Personal travel group recognizes that stole them all right past cases in the same area six months ago under cover of darkness when he went to see stars and about 50 yards from the tent.

We stole recently set water and food in the confluence of River clay, Bill and it forced Israel to change completely the other day walking.

On the one hand, expect us to sleep in designated campgrounds only and no serious theft phenomenon treatment by the authorities. Until someone gets hurt on either side are probably not going to change anything.

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#3 Posted : Tuesday, March 4, 2014 1:45:48 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = Eli TheHiker; 578595]

On the one hand, expect us to sleep in designated campgrounds only and no serious theft phenomenon treatment by the authorities.

-First, the reported incident occurred while in place is not regulated, although no doubt somewhere (and accessible) makes it easy for thieves.

About the authorities first need that they are aware of the problem-I think most victims do not complain because they think it would help (they're probably right, but I still have to complain).

Until someone gets hurt on either side are probably not going to change anything.

-Perhaps you're right.

GibsonLP  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:07:59 AM(UTC)
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Should catch them, break their bones (in every sense of the word) and the calls and let the desert do its job.

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#5 Posted : Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:08:05 PM(UTC)
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I think it's the kind of thing that need to be solved in the old ways.

To set a trap, and equipment. To leave. Wait, and shmshim, to take a shot. That way a few times. They will learn.

I'm sorry if someone accidentally think ש"רשויות" is something that exists and functions in these areas.

הלך עברי  
#6 Posted : Friday, March 7, 2014 10:14:52 AM(UTC)
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Brian, thanks for the reference-I think this is one of the most important reports written in a forum on the subject!
(By the way, Brian, you may want to consider the inclusion of the word safe in on-and perhaps benefit be modified to better express the severity of the event is only a recommendation, not a criticism ...).

As mentioned above, I think this is a serious event-no random theft of burial, or a casual ride, but a focused operation:

See observation performed before sunset, delay (not only Visual, if I understand it correctly the top in the scene), standby hour 0230, on foot to square foot bed and rising with the loot.
It is boldness, determination, devotion and willingness to put a lot of time and effort.
In light of the great Rabbi of effort, how would end the event hadn't won the thieves. Did let the multiple efforts to go to waste?
What if you find arrival tent? Were the pieces the tent with knives, require, as happened in the parking lot, wells? What would happen if there were? Or encountered resistance?

I think we can contribute by reporting, warning travellers and discussions with overflow prevention measures.
To the forum administrators may have to open a separate forum for security and safety issues, which include incremental reports and discussions in these areas.
So we can draw the attention of the visitors of the importance of issues and ensure that all the information contained in the Forum.

Personally, I intend to examine whether through my tnhaloti still fit to the current risk level, as expressed in this case.
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#7 Posted : Friday, March 7, 2014 6:10:38 PM(UTC)
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Forum: one commando caches, two fires in the right leg and left foot. ...

Should treat it as a natural phenomenon that should live side by side. Should take pre-emptive order

To minimize the damage.

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#8 Posted : Friday, March 7, 2014 10:00:20 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = יענקל'ה Saar; 578626]

Forum: one commando caches, two fires in the right leg and left foot. ...

Should treat it as a natural phenomenon that should live side by side. Should take pre-emptive order

To minimize the damage.

I think that's the right attitude. Certainly not commando (AVI-if you go, don't forget to bring the scam-they come in), but also completely untrue to nature. "כ"תופעת.

I think it necessary to complain to the police, the information Chief Gioberti (who may know the people running around), etc. Not sure that's going to change anything, but it's minimal.

Gone-I'm not familiar with the incident in the parking lot, with camp knives, you can expand?

In the meantime, it is appropriate to increase alertness, among bilists and in General, to help prevent such incidents and reduce.

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#9 Posted : Saturday, March 8, 2014 6:03:21 AM(UTC)
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Natural phenomenon or not, commando or not there is also a bottom line:

Two girls leave for tomorrow. What about the donation to the light? Is the previous event tiootherna please advise. in effect?
Whether the differences between the characteristics of ordinary thieves and pickpockets, and ה"רגילות characteristics of the above event and its perpetrators do not bother you?

To me, the case is an indication of changing "ב"חוקי-random hunting fishing, focused and determined.

The above event must understand the evaluation, although allowed to disagree.


Yair-wells in the parking lot incident report I think (even) in the Forum, but despite my best efforts I couldn't find it in my search.

(I found the General reporting mark of two, three years ago, of robbery with threats in campgrounds (can't do copy paste)

And reports from second and third tools of yankele and being about American hiker who reported robbery in the South).


The case-this is wells reported a number of years by hikers (Americans) were robbed at knifepoint after their cut.
If I remember correctly, the reports said the suspects (gas station), called the police, but it never arrived.

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#10 Posted : Sunday, March 9, 2014 10:28:29 AM(UTC)
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No change in the rules. The phenomenon has existed for many years. The police won't do anything to eliminate her because she can't.

There were complaints to police before and it didn't work. The Bedouins are proliferating, the number of visitors has increased and the theft of culture.

In 2005, stole burial where there's no way I'd find it unless followed.

Recommendations for both travellers, just like other people. Between Arad to mitzpe Ramon (but not only) to maintain the equipment.

Put in the tent and equipment. If tent tie and long by backpack and add a small bell on your backpack.

Attach at least one travel team and hope for the best.

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#11 Posted : Sunday, March 9, 2014 12:18:32 PM(UTC)
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This morning I checked with Bill and I was told that Israel problem and treated on their hands as far as they can. The information was passed halmshtera. The Security Department of rmangb Regional Council, nothing to do but to note and report to police on any occasion.
The Roro long unable to sleep not only problem campgrounds get. And it's not going to change.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, March 9, 2014 3:25:33 PM(UTC)
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What is certain "natural phenomenon".
It doesn't rain and wind blowing, it's only a delinquency stepped between serious crimes and attacks.
Do not get the mental shivan bug and this dangerous.

Refer by all means to authorized parties, police, רט"ג, began, etc and of course all good traveler who will try their best to defend himself and his property.

But כ"תופעת nature." Rpisot and submission that only lead to more and more such cases and who know when to kill the first traveler of "natural phenomenon".
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#13 Posted : Sunday, March 9, 2014 5:04:24 PM(UTC)
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I was trying to relax here in the discussion that this rate will show a bilists weapon and chaos starts.
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#14 Posted : Sunday, March 9, 2014 9:01:26 PM(UTC)
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The veterans here could testify when the complaints start.  About forum last year.

Ten years ago there were some complaints that travellers. Today there are many more complaints that have

A lot more. The police have no tools or time to deal with this matter and it's working life. The Committee too (3 people).

So you better friend SK refrain from inappropriate language and avoid unnecessary words altogether. It's just cool and impact.

Soul cycle. And as "natural phenomenon" that has to live with.

The Bedouins in the Negev and breaking into cars so drivers wise leave maintains a group of vehicles, locking the wheels sandals

(I've seen more than one driver does it), leaving an open rear window in order not to break.

Travellers should drive in a similar manner: to maintain and protect the equipment. Don't stop the thefts.

I rest my case

Eli TheHiker  
#15 Posted : Sunday, March 9, 2014 10:31:14 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = יענקל'ה Saar; 578646]

It's just cool and mental injury. And as "natural phenomenon" that has to live with.

The Bedouins in the Negev and breaking into cars so drivers wise leave maintains a group of vehicles, locking the wheels sandals

(I've seen more than one driver does it), leaving an open rear window in order not to break.

Do you every day (not a trip), you leave your car and open the House so that you don't break Windows and hit or keeping guard.

The same conclusion can be reached alive.

Think what happens to people who live in Beersheba, Dimona and Arad, such a solution would make life impossible. In practice, the only way to combat the phenomenon by police, civil guard, cameras, etc. Therefore this also and fast so the problem only.

I'm not saying we should take the law into their own hands, but hikers should be aware and pay attention to tracks or suspicious characters out in areas shouldn't walk around them and to alert the appropriate authorities. If there are enough complaints to police and then begin to deal with the issue more seriously.

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#16 Posted : Monday, March 10, 2014 8:32:23 AM(UTC)
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I think the distance between stealing a backpack in desert area of mental injury not so long. Enough that it's a single traveler alone in the desert with no water, k., maps, telephone or any other equipment and is a problem.

It is true that the relatively near civilization trail but no map does not always know where to cut and hot enough to compromise a traveler.

S.K.  
#17 Posted : Monday, March 10, 2014 10:01:01 AM(UTC)
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Yankele

Also, I tend to leave the window open and so far, no evil eye, never stole anything. (Incidentally, neither abroad dozens of third world countries.)
Is it good? Not at all. A person should feel confident in his hometown and everywhere he goes.
Acceptance of fate is cruel passivity only invites more and more events like
No complete and agree and accept such a mental phenomenon shivan and divulge in front of complete indifference, compassion or understanding "natural phenomenon".

Some complaints to the police anyway.
Call to monitor regional and nagging him about each case. (Also let him know we were going to sleep instead of X and we encourage you to come and visit ...)
You must write to Rath, nature preservation authorities and law enforcement officials and public figures and report.

If you sit down and reconcile with Mr. destiny child and grandchildren too suffer from the same phenomenon.
If this state law should allocate resources in favor of the deal is what I expect the State to do. And perhaps because of the growth and proliferation of travelers.

Because as I said, stealing equipment and desert traveler can bring to a life threatening condition.
Encountering or resisting a criminal like this in the middle of a desolate place may result in injury and death cycle.

Do not ignore the potential danger and do not complete with in any way.
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#18 Posted : Monday, March 10, 2014 11:10:51 AM(UTC)
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Ma.

A. thanks for reporting to the Committee for the first semester.

In the above case occurred rather far from night parking, so ride it created between the necessity to stay in the garages and the event is not valid. On the contrary-opinion in the garage overnight could lead to encounter hikers, thus creating a critical mass that will produce deterrence and prevention (retention Division, for example).

C. firearms cause chaos to start??? Does the President always ends in killing of a thief on the run? Missing intermediate steps used in weapons? Are all stolen in passing? Fresh examples of mindless thieves who ran caught up in the murder of the owner of property in Cypress? Or trying to rape the child of hope Who generated the chaos, the terctorist in the center of Jerusalem, or a citizen who shot him and interrupted the attack? And how was the event ends in destruction, if travelling to her friend was killed was armed and adept at running. Is it possible that hatiirth was alive today? I kiss his temper of travel that voice and trained only one drawback-weight.

Yankele.

I'm sorry that your aatmana was stolen, but the example you gave indicates differences between the cases and severity of the final event. The thief, burglar and wise ה"סביר" going to work at the scene, and thus the entanglement and escalation. Thieves from thirst snake did just the opposite, and consciously and firmly in. The criminal acts knowingly unmanned arena, taking into account the possibility of detecting and trouble. How does it drive? What measures is the case? Can anyone know? Right-the distance between Gibson stole the murder can be very short. In the case above, after reading the traveler took the backpack and ran over a snake thief is thirsty. How would the thief had the voice of a young girl? Can anyone know?

To me, SK, Gibson.

Share your opinion. The event to ease it, no head.

So what do we do? As mentioned above, I think this case should be a bottom line — and be expressed in making recommendations and dioohino and of course especially in our behavior.

Report, I informed all my fellow travelers, tour guides and tourist guides.

Recommendations for travellers are vulnerable, such as a pair of girls that I mentioned in my opinion must-avoid area all night between blade Creek farm, unless they are connected to. It stood. Who wants to see me, feel free.

-Alertness and reporting, should be reported immediately, if recorded, of course, on any suspicious movement. There are tools that allow a COP determined to perform risk assessment in real time, and detail. Even if the report not be prevented, could have helped prevent retroactive, thus preventing further acts in the future.

Entering the garage can night wait for last light before entering the night.

Look at the bed-you should minimize the use of light points (personally, I try to avoid this also, quality concerns and participate in nature). Travelers tend to cook can do it behind cover, or before entering the parking lot while waiting for darkness.

Tent, yes or no? -In my opinion rather a that allows Visual field open (also and Star Ltd.).

How staying in bed-I mean questions such as; Where can get whoever comes Is he likely to blend in or stand out against the sky? Where will the Moon during the problem? Which Greece should settle?

Storing valuables items hidden beneath the casing head, feet, water bottles in the corners.

Kiss-if-considering the condition according to characteristics and location of the landing. If you have to consider alternatives, based on improvised equipment or inventory.

The equipment has not experienced, I don't know, can't an opinion.

Hands-free calling, to project it abandoned, mainly a combination of miles and half above.

It is permissible and desirable to share each, and of course add and upload points. The discussion is important. It can prevent trouble.

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#19 Posted : Monday, March 10, 2014 5:20:48 PM(UTC)
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Good tips went.

Only please. It is open to serious incidents.

Who gets in trouble with the law in such cases is the one holding the gun and stole.

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#20 Posted : Monday, March 10, 2014 10:41:30 PM(UTC)
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I'll tell you a story.

37 years ago (!) out of ittano (1st cycle in midreshet SDE Boker) for two days in the field led by Ezra Orion, Clint Eastwood, an Israeli involved in the Howard Roark of no RAND:) Accessible to the eye due to leave all tziodeno up and down spring. 15 minutes later we left all our anxiety and tziodeno some clothes and trash bags. Ezra was not excited, he spotted a Bedouin in the area and if you recall his Uzi to bracelet. The Bedouin not too excited even though Ezra looked like a man without fear and charm. Finally, we returned to the seminary but Ezra seems hapoei and calm. The next day, gathered a group of environmentalists from midrasha – some as bracelet, their cruisers graduates high school students, divided into groups and each group to go a certain direction and lab level ein akev and collect all the camels. The camels collected – twenty or thirty, I don't remember exactly-and imprisoned the seminary and high school students were tasked with the safekeeping nights to days. No, no pleas to Bedouin trying to release the camels from the pound in the middle of the night, and tmemot. The police are certainly not turn. After three weeks of a charming adventure returned all the tissues until last tziodeno celebration. The camels were passed to the LAPD, and Bedouins don't dare steal from us talk now and for many years to come.

And yankel-us if we accept it as a natural law. It begins with theft and only God knows how. The need to nip in the bud. This natural law.

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