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naty_h  
#1 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2014 5:04:45 PM(UTC)
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Actually not related to the Forum but it is definitely a situation that may encounter snow Trek also actually Weather Guide to mountains and snow as a pigeon.

Since the issue raised in the report of the INBAR noted the smooth layer that caused the collapse but did not just collapse I wanted to ask whether the relation between the smooth layer to the accident in question?

For those not familiar with the facts in brief description of event:

Winter background later in Europe that we talked about in the past and what happened to little actual tisz were actually early storms carrying snow and warm days later by then expected on December 24 from the winter cold wave returned, while it was warning of a paste site instability due to frozen snow turned into old smooth not impregnate them allows snow to new ground, namely a warning on 24 December addressed to collapse and surface snow coverage means new danger doubled and tripled not only spreads but also sharp rocks don't win Snow cover since the leveling layer will carry the fresh snow away.

On December 28 the fruition and collapse were seven people killed six, between the father and son rpoachia savers in an area close to you perhaps familiar, Southport, SR. died, the son survived.

November 29 Schumacher off the track in the area between the Maribel red to blue zone in slope in high speed, the area where the shomachr has its own winter cabin, and he obviously knows good and should now assume there off dozens to hundreds of times before, but this time something happens out of the ordinary, the sequel.

I wanted to ask whether the connection between the instability of the leveling layer covering the island in a rocky area that day was hidden but not covered due to a snowstorm in the same day?

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#2 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2014 6:39:34 PM(UTC)
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The question of how inexperienced move ID, and how to prepare and defend against the leveling layer.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2014 7:02:30 PM(UTC)
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Excellent question I Ma puts the question to INBAR assuming I don't know if it's true you don't surf off track, how did you know about this smoothing layer

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#4 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2014 7:08:02 PM(UTC)
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But I must explain more annual can-as non-experienced to testify that there is no visible expression the stability (or instability) of snow layers. The region called on him (North of mramolda) was indeed very eventful with snow, but it was also my first visit there (look great!).

It might well be that, where the avalanche occurred already visible evidence. But the border closed area for surfing was not possible (at least a professional eye) to assess the extent of the danger by showing. All information held by me by authoritative officials delivered on site (in the form of warnings on the Web site and posted signs in different regions) and by the Padon pass cabin personnel (within the problem area to do, where I got the explanation about the reason for the warnings).

Therefore, my conclusion is that at least those ones who are inexperienced/Professional (Kings or overflow, I don't think it really matter) depend on information from official bodies to recognize the danger. Fortunately we live in the information age — even in the mountains is very available. You just have to find out, consult, interested, ask. Don't ignore the signs – even in a foreign language.

And how to prepare and defend themselves? I am sure sailing in annual practical advice. For me it was pretty simple: orders! The area close to surfing? Do not wrap! It is alternately (depending on conditions) but set "כ"בעייתי-no surfing! I surfed in the mramolda before 3 or 4 years, and I'm sure will be back then might have been easier to let go.

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#5 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2014 7:15:50 PM(UTC)
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Heheh ... Annually, we wrote at the time.

I don't surf outside slope (off piste) pickled routes (on piste). The area in question was closed intermittently on piste and precisely one cable damaged in the landslide and out of use.

Off piste skiers obviously have less signage alerts. So they probably need to get to my Office, digging the Web sites and/or to fill cabins normally ask, but I think it greatly: dealing with outdoor sports should find out about the conditions, see special alerts, etc. Then everyone has to decide for himself. He wants to take some risk.

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#6 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:32:29 PM(UTC)
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Amber wrote everything, there's no way of knowing!

The snow has got to be memory or digging the weather knows exactly how much snow was before and what were the temperature or turn to a professional!

Each zone has an estimate of risk of collapse, and topographic map indicating the slope if the slope is 30° snow depth over m, the definitive collapse under the slope in terms of no wind drops will be fine if the wind drops risk of landslides, July 12 as I recall an avalanche on Mont Blanc caused exactly this reason 9 deaths, conditions and maps well-known professionals who know how to read to assess and be careful should contact them.

The only practical advice I can write beyond one already wrote the guide is in danger of landslides had cases take a guide or otherwise not allowed.

In case you know there's a danger of landslides or covering problem but a pointed out to you on a safe path to go and then just go down the trail.

And return to shomachr what?

Schumacher came down the trail and slides!

naty_h  
#7 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:55:02 PM(UTC)
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And as explained by Amber so beautiful you have to rely on the professional factors important to add no choice in this case, I might add, needs to go trekking areas can rely on professional factors.

I mean there are places where you can't trust the professional factors such places or come up with the required knowledge from home or not come at all!

I had doubts as to the discretion of the professional Park officials may not wonder 13 Ordesa closed some routes which passed beneath glacier stream, but other routes closed.

There are some States where you can't rely on professional judgment, and I'm not entirely convinced that Spain can be trusted, I am inclined to qualify my professional belief in which the level of 75% IE not rely blindly on their discretion.

So a period in certain weather condition or allowed or only to countries that can rely on the professional judgment of the causes at 100%.

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#8 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:04:27 AM(UTC)
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By the way,
There is an excellent article of the New York Times about the Avalanche at Stevens pass (on the PCT in Washington.)
I really recommend to read, you won't find an article on that level.
Here here

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