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הלך  
#21 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:59:01 AM(UTC)
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Sorry about the disruptions (yesterday I deleted a comment that was written for a long time ...) and once again thank you all. I'm learning from you, and I'm sure the information is useful to many readers.

Nothing-wishing you a good route in the Pyrenees.

If so, you can also use alcohol and if you find gas container, and emergency.

I think you are against any possibility that she

A number of questions:


-Point type it up dawn-I just noticed that my gas tanks contain different materials;

Butane-propane (accompanied by the caption ISO-might be in any normal?)-Michal kovea made

LPG-gas company.

Do I need to see the difference in performance? Some of the materials more efficient?



Alcohol concentration assay-I realized that alcohol sold in pharmacies in the country is concentrated 70 percent gone.

Since and probably foreign pharmacies sell alcohol to them needs disinfection-and how can we know that DeSoto schools along the route have alcohol concentration required (95% if I got this right)?


Acetone-how effective alcohol treatment acetone 95% (Guess I acetone was sold everywhere used in cosmetics to almost anywhere in the world ...).


Faults in a hotplate-"the dises" clogging specified above is the failure occurs at once? Are there signs are getting ahead? Is there treatment? And maybe buy a hotplate head before a long journey abroad? What is your opinion?

Filter adapter – or anything – I saw this product in a store. I weighs about 160 grams (but I may be wrong). How about feasibility of carrying such product to track overseas?

Thanks again, hope I didn't bother you too much.

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#22 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 11:14:52 AM(UTC)
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As comfortable as questions.

Most effective for winds and altitude but requires treatment with nznia, Patagonia daily with powerful wind at about 100 mph, I flipped that saved in Ultima Esperanza, Argentina took a long time but had no choice I before switching from Argentina for saving or to FRY and eat away, saving food allowed.

A word about the pressure the pressure at an altitude of 3000 feet ilibar vs 700 in 1014, i.e. about 700 grams instead of 1 kg to mean less profit in third and therefore superior theoretical cooking time by one-third, getting off at tprotera per 100 meter 0.7 degrees approximately so that instead of boiling from 27 degrees should boil around 10-12°, 17° total cooking time extra in practice due to the heat will go up around 50 percent more. It can be overcome either by raising the pressure in the tank or fire retardant materials are especially effective, overall, most of the trails are not uniform heights but up and down all the time planning of the European path will find that most of the time will be between 1000 to 2000 for as far as European, South American, that's another story altogether, between 3000 to 5000.

The MSR move comes with a complete set of tools for switching fuels for different filling, Sage has no genuine once as shkorit open and no complicated arrangements.

Nothing always a pleasure to read and learn from.

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#23 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 11:30:38 AM(UTC)
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, Thank you for the explanation of teaching.

Please correct me if I'm wrong in my supposition: probably due to safety considerations, accessibility, ו"אופקיות," mountain night camps are located in the high passes, but relatively low points.

If so, you can possibly reduce the problem of low efficiency, if the water purification and rejecting the cooking until reaching the parking lot, and thus save fuel.

Am I right?
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 11:46:04 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = go; 579739], thank you for the explanation of teaching.

Please correct me if I'm wrong put below:

Obviously, due to safety considerations, accessibility, ו"אופקיות," mountain night camps are located in the high passes, but relatively low points.

If so, you can possibly reduce the problem of low efficiency, if the water purification and rejecting the cooking until reaching the parking lot, and thus save fuel.

Am I right?



We're back to square one, what I understand European trails designed for mainly chalia, taking.

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#25 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 1:05:06 PM(UTC)
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Chale available in country as said ב"דנטל Dafoe" also available in liquor stores but in the framework of Penal journey of your favorite treasure: the price! (Incidentally, French cognac and close the intention-price stay when he was middle-class welfare!)
Available in country liquor denatured alcohol, "with any plugin that aims to prevent you from establishing a Scotch izckat.-ipiiach-your horribly pot.
In Europe, the United States-no problem in any supermarket, a liquor store.
As for bnzinia, you can prevent many problems (fillings) by using what's called a "white" gasoline is gasoline with a firecracker. Available at pharmacies, price
And throughout Israel-cheap (something around 30 per liter if I'm not mistaken) of course long btiol is not always available, then you can settle in any other fuel source.
Ah ... I forgot to add the detail option of CALDERA. It heats just nice to sit by a fire almost seem to warm up a little before we enter into a bag.
Well, maybe it's just an illusion, a Pyro in a my non-infantile spasms after all. What did Woods.
I started talking nonsense, needs to get out!
When coming June 25th!!!!
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#26 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 1:30:12 PM(UTC)
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Annually, thanks. I guess start in Europe, and relatively low altitudes.

Nothing, thanks again. I was going to pharmacies overseas, not in Israel. I understand that the alcohol sold is 95% concentration

Since you mentioned, maybe I have a little tip, also related to the topic of the thread:

Suppose you have collected in the waters, some of which need to purge through boiling.
You may want to postpone the operation to purge until the night, then boil the water, casting them into the bottle, and bottle to stick to the bag.
Typically, such a bottle (wrapping-prevent burns!) may give a few hours ' sleep and warmth even in the cold nights in the Negev or in Golan (no idea what temperature in.)
The next day, it is possible to drink treated water, thus starting a hotplate/one ohliia are also heating and potable.





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#27 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 2:05:11 PM(UTC)
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Alcohol 95% was sold abroad in wine shops, supermarkets, shops and building materials also in pharmacies.
The Forum reported to oneness that temperature. In the terrible summer ask drops the line. Inshallah.
Thanks for the advice, but I don't wear resistant bottle bottles of soda watched enough.
Maybe this isn't the place to open a discussion on something else but I can't purify water by boiling.
A. There are no surviving haidkim nice even beyond 100 degrees.
On the gas.
C. 21st century I recommend you purchase before SAWYER bnzinia or pure water MINI chalia, haidkim to eighth and just ג'יפה if you really devout AQWA balls theme MIRA
Against viruses.
And always hope for the best!
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#28 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2014 11:48:18 PM(UTC)
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Some got me confused with me.
But the question-bnziniia have an advantage when it comes to blaze, and energy, so she wins as cooking for two or three people.
As the most easy oalia, WINS for an individual trip.
The blowtorch is somewhere in the Middle-not strong or energetic as in nzinia and simple like gas, oalia is not really available.

And as written up here-probably the only person's trip to Europe this summer
Oalia is a winner.

In terms of water, if you use choalia this raises significantly the amount of gas you want to take
So take that into account.

And lastly-takes more measures. Select appropriate means of cooking needs, find out if the fuel available, and enjoy the trip.
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#29 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:31:16 AM(UTC)
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Nothing, Jonathan, thank you.

Nothing-thanks for the recommendation. Sawyer looks sexual an excellent solution, definitely want to order one. In certain circumstances, waterproof bottle can save the weight by weight, if you will try to list and explain.

Jonathan-I have to summarize. I learned that the nziniia is not suitable for my needs, and that solitary trails require boiling water amount is not large, rather as ohliia on a hotplate.
Beyond a certain amount (provided that amount isn't out another standard, requiring a second gas tank), it seems rather a hotplate. Of course, only after finding out that it is possible to purchase a gas tank at the mazllol exit.

Again, thank you everyone.
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#30 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2014 11:22:09 PM(UTC)
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Hello

There is no problem to use mtnol! True that poison but I don't drink it (I assume you're a petrol bnzinia you drink). You have to remember you are selling liquor shouldn't drink in technical supplies and use it to disinfect that toxins added intentionally to avoid Regulation (not mountains of intoxicating liquor).

I have the Ti-Tri Trail's Designs. I changed the choalia at work and beauty of Zelph Starlyte allow to use as container 40 ml of alcohol. I found a bottle on EBAY a cone shaped into cone when he rolled and everything went to Pot pot Evernew titanium Ultralight 1.3. 150 ml bottle is designed for oil (sewing machine oil etc.) weighs 9 grams (check) cost 2 bucks with shipping. Link:-http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-150ml-Pcs-Pointy-Sewing-Machine Nozzle-Oil-Lubricant-Bottle/390684789735-pt = hash = item5af6a0cbe7 & LH_DefaultDomain_0

So a total of around 170 ml alcohol enough to more than 500 ml of 10 rtachot (I don't boil to one). When is it an Starlyte with sponge species that absorbs alcohol impossible to shed her. This feature is very important. I kicked in a burning choalia for testing. It is difficult to put out the fire, had to throw a lot of sand/soil. When an 16 g starlyte weighs only takes place in the pot. It also allows using the Ti Tri-Cone (or Caldera) pegs that further weight saving.

I believe that good tours choalia up to 10 days. Beyond that you might take if gas burner not buying alcohol on the way. Otherwise there are few disadvantages to choalia. Yes, boiling will 7-10 minutes. So what? A difference of 5 minutes so significant? Camping starts at the same time.
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#31 Posted : Thursday, May 29, 2014 12:40:07 AM(UTC)
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If you don't want a cell only and can two people so it's significant. Also if you want coffee at the Summit.
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#32 Posted : Thursday, May 29, 2014 8:49:36 AM(UTC)
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Greg, thanks for the responses, Sergei

Greg, do you mean the product.


Http://www.woodgaz-stove.com/starlyte-stove.php

General question, if you please:

YouTube videos dealing with the flames choeliot the kettle bottom, but also primarily. Isn't that a waste of energy that heat is dissipated to the environment? Do not use the kettle has a wide bottom, so flames only warm at the bottom, and? (Sorry if this question sounds stupid, I have never been strong in physics, chemistry or whatever.)

Thank you.
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#33 Posted : Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:58:34 AM(UTC)
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The cone of the CALDERA is based exactly on the issue you raised: the pot is adjusted exactly to the top of the cone, the air coming from vents at the bottom, so the flame but the bottom of the pot, heat both the sides no waste of energy!
Checking that at the time: as pot deal with makeshift windscreen
It removed the cone wind conditions.
The result-something like 30 percent energy savings (and of course duration).
A question: you mentioned all the time "Kettle" How are you cooking solid food in the kettle? You have removed? If so, you might want to change them to pot easy-useful?
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#34 Posted : Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:12:04 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the reply.

I understand what you're saying, absence any buffering (such that cone mentioned) between the flames around the cooking vessel and the environment, indeed the flames less than effective lateral balconies reserved for the flames at the bottom of the tool.

I am using a kettle, it has quite a few advantages I think: you can tuck into your gas tank (or alternatively a box lid screws used me as feeding bowl-hermetic closing allows postponing the vote until a faucet or until done hotter.)
Easy pouring spout.
The upper handle isolated kettle is not heating up and down so that the fold is not interrupted.
The kettle has a relatively large diameter so that flames from a hotplate the greenhouses only bottom (my understanding is more efficient juicing, and therefore asked my question above).
The lid also helps in saving energy.
Contents of my particular Kettle, 0.9 litre, fits right into the bottle that is used.
Light weight, at least according to my terms-159 grams including the lid.
Allow to cook for Kettle Foods such as oatmeal position (and even eat it straight out of it, please don't rat).
Most use my kettle is water dispenser to dissolve (the recipe recommended for cold night: thick Orchid filled nuts, almonds, sunflower seeds, coconut ... This is very rich in protein, delicious and very fragrant, warming-you might want to try).
You may be hard to cook with "serious" food such as rice, pasta, I've never tried (cooking ...).
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#35 Posted : Thursday, May 29, 2014 12:04:33 PM(UTC)
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In my choalia there is no problem of cooking with me (not that I use this option).

Gone , let's jump to the choalia, with a little alcohol and put you opinion.

But only if you're willing to write a detailed REVIEW with disadvantages, benefits and images.

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#36 Posted : Thursday, May 29, 2014 1:28:21 PM(UTC)
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Institutions to do good things come between originator and chalia-shield.
From experience in the field and exploring the volcano's cone network seems most effective energy saving weight and optional Campfire all this assuming the cooking vessels suited for Cone, although the manufacturer (TRAIL DESIGN) make it CUSTOM, (not sure lkomcom went, probably engraved ג'מילי Palmach "1948". Just kidding).
The chalia is not something, not in terms of performance but is actually a type of PEPSI STOVE. easy guide or crush she's gone at that time embraced the recommendation of niatrino and I purchased the STARLYTE: very successful.
Gone, opened my appetite with Orchid and the Quichua it I so.
Serge, your chalia looks interesting (especially the throttling option), would love to see her in which to write a review on as therapist.
Why don't you write? Pictures There are enough network experience You have a Matthew giott? The toiotte, no one is perfect.
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#37 Posted : Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:37:17 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = klum; 579797]

I didn't mean you, sorry.

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#38 Posted : Thursday, May 29, 2014 6:07:38 PM(UTC)
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Nothing, because Cone was ready for Caldera gets really really hot (touchable), it must be needing yours energy.

The ultimate design would be like backcountry boiler boiler (gigol). The problem is that the weight loss and quick hot gases (i.e., not enough to give you all the energy in the water). I have an idea how to solve both problems, but the attempts were unsuccessful because I have good hands. Who's willing to try to assemble this boiler esmach giving all the information. The materials you can withdraw in cheap (e.g. 1 litre beer can and foil, Oh, and have a bottle cap wine:).)

Gregg.
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#39 Posted : Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:18:53 PM(UTC)
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Sergey-thank you for your generous offer. I at least need regulating, as almost always I just boil.

Nothing on the sterliit and generalized cone.

Greg-good for creativity (also have good hands, so I can't help.)

Thank you to all the respondents.
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#40 Posted : Sunday, June 8, 2014 1:26:25 AM(UTC)
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I am also torn the question of which is better should I saw in nziniia which is a hotplate and to my surprise I discovered that there are several companies and stove fuel/nzignot types, such as GRAVITY VF or Kovea Booster
And more ... Then this inform first and second adds a question: has anyone experimented with this and recommendations/reviews should get it and maybe this invention is a hotplate to end discrimination between bnziniia-
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