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#41 Posted : Tuesday, June 10, 2014 3:18:07 PM(UTC)
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Go about your other point summary already hinted her but you should perhaps be mentioned explicitly.
Regular stove fuel stop working in certain conditions (such as source is probably not relevant to Europe in summer)
Has custom stove fuel for the winter but they evaluate d. For example:
Http://www.cascadedesigns.com/msr/stoves/gourmet-cooking, windpro ii/product

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#42 Posted : Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:39:18 PM(UTC)
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AFIX information and thank you for the link.

The most important consideration Take it for a walk in the cold conditions and of course also for purchasing a hotplate.
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#43 Posted : Tuesday, June 10, 2014 5:39:04 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = AVI Melnikov; 579957] I'm also deciding the question of which is better should I saw in nziniia which is a hotplate and to my surprise I discovered that there are several companies and stove fuel/nzignot types, such as GRAVITY VF or Kovea Booster
And more ... Then this inform first and second adds a question: has anyone experimented with this and recommendations/reviews should get it and maybe this invention is a hotplate to end discrimination between bnziniia-

We can link Canal reviews who found a good solution in the past not always up for new developments on the market.

Markets always have a smooth seamless fashion necessary dynamics is useful, it is not always possible to clear the chaff from the straw, but try.

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#44 Posted : Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:39:09 PM(UTC)
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#45 Posted : Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:25:46 AM(UTC)
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AFIX for links.

According to the author, the temperature that allows running a hotplate is derived from type, and she moves around zero and the number of low-cost (unless you use heavy see p98 for lower temperature).
(Can I guess that points near the mountain routes, made possible the purchase of gas containers, inside of those will be some-butane-propane so they can adjust to the cold?)
He also has a hotplate exceeding the chohliia cooking capability quickly, and is more suited for parasitic large quantities.

The chohliia corresponds to the opinion mainly boil (at least cooking), single or two tours India, and small amounts of water.
The advantages are low weight and availability of alcohol.

(Ignore bnzignot).


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#46 Posted : Wednesday, June 11, 2014 4:21:30 PM(UTC)
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The choalia is suitable for trips up to 7 days. Why That above 7 might as gas burner (gas has more energy to the nation of alcohol) when it comes to easy stove fuel weight (mobergot. above gas tank and made from titanium, 40-80 g). If you need to boil water for more than one or two preferred the blowtorch. About cooking, has people who bake-tour of oalia! Not to mention all the possibilities. I just boil the water because I don't like to cook.

It's best to try. Buy say Korn Caldera Cone if you don't sell. I believe that even this forum has quite a few people will buy it.
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#47 Posted : Friday, June 13, 2014 11:36:49 AM(UTC)
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Greg, thanks a lot for the information.

I'm convinced. When ohliia might fit me perfectly, especially when ohliia that contains a relatively large amount, which allows two or three boiling kettles quickly (I use water to heat the bag).

To experiment, I like ohliia that contains about 60 ml and weighs only 14 grams (found in a search in the Forum's recommendation on "Stube", which face the same made).

Guess I need some attempts with several models until you find the chohliia structure best suited to my needs, then I measure and calculate which programs should get a ohliia, which a hotplate, and like both.

Again thanks everyone-I've learned a lot.

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#48 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 10:00:57 AM(UTC)
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I'd like to again thank everyone for the helpful information.

Comparative experiment estimation under optimal conditions, which used the homemade chohliia (model called ".", Ofer's recommendation), and 96% DENATURED ETHANOL called BLUE.

The chohliia works, burners "catch" after about half a minute and no soot.

Boiled water litre lasted nearly 25 minutes, requiring I estimate about 35 material.

Identical conditions demanded a hotplate KOVEA compact 4-5 minutes and 10 g parasitic liters of water gas. (Hence, my personal case, volume and weight considerations, the amount of parasitic exceed 6 litres rather a hotplate and a smaller amount of preferred chohliia).


Questions:


A. does the stuff I used on 96% DENATURED ETHANOL BLUE safe in terms of various toxic emissions? Whether it is effective enough to your opinion? Should look for other materials

I'm interested in increasing the speed of the boil. Is true that you can increase the speed by diameter enlargement simmers of feminine burners? Does increasing the diameter there are consequences not them? And perhaps to add holes (currently there are 16)?

C. a small amount of material remains within the chohliia, and there is no way to have the ships away. Is the substance liable to attack the aluminum? Should I get next model any material that will absorb the liquid, and if so which one?

4. OVERNIGHT trips I wonder should I give up and use the kettle boil 500 ml aluminum can (weighing a few grams, you can throw it to first class). What is your opinion? Was she standing up to the number of individual rtachot? Has anyone tried this?

Thanks to all of you.

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#49 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:06:24 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = go; 580988]

I'd like to again thank everyone for the helpful information.

Comparative experiment estimation under optimal conditions, which used the homemade chohliia (model called ".", Ofer's recommendation), and 96% DENATURED ETHANOL called BLUE.

The chohliia works, burners "catch" after about half a minute and no soot.

Boiled water litre lasted nearly 25 minutes, requiring I estimate about 35 material.

Identical conditions demanded a hotplate KOVEA compact 4-5 minutes and 10 g parasitic liters of water gas. (Hence, my personal case, volume and weight considerations, the amount of parasitic exceed 6 litres rather a hotplate and a smaller amount of preferred chohliia).


Questions:


A. does the stuff I used on 96% DENATURED ETHANOL BLUE safe in terms of various toxic emissions? Whether it is effective enough to your opinion? Should look for other materials

Therefore, ethanol is good, safe and effective. The problem begins with cheaper mixtures that contain methanol.

I'm interested in increasing the speed of the boil. Is true that you can increase the speed by diameter enlargement simmers of feminine burners? Does increasing the diameter there are consequences not them? And perhaps to add holes (currently there are 16)?

We definitely can increase the speed and simmers to improve efficiency (you use the windscreen). I'm not an expert on this, but there's the m-o-n videos online. The puncture is not always beneficial.

Do you enjoy these experiments. If not buy a good deal and proven costs very little.

C. a small amount of material remains within the chohliia, and there is no way to have the ships away. Is the substance liable to attack the aluminum? Should I get next model any material that will absorb the liquid, and if so which one?

-Check the ethanol solution the STARLYTE of ZELPH. It has fiberglass fibers that keep the alcohol that remains until the next time, and prevent him from the outlet of chalia.

4. OVERNIGHT trips I wonder should I give up and use the kettle boil 500 ml aluminum can (weighing a few grams, you can throw it to first class). What is your opinion? Was she standing up to the number of individual rtachot? Has anyone tried this?

The usual cans made from pure Earth aluminum (in my opinion), but steel mixes. Some beer cans abroad (e.g. of foster's), and a long time to boil.

Thanks to all of you.

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#50 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:09:34 AM(UTC)
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Brian, thanks for the answer-and invested.

The experiments were designed to examine whether the use of alcohol and chohliia are suitable.

One concern fades and is the material itself, so you can move on to the chohliia itself.

Suppose you plan to this product: http://www.woodgaz-stove.com/starlyte-stove.php

I loved watching him clip it shake the chohliia, nothing happens!

Safety is important to me, and works as a simple product, compact (16 g).
On the other hand, contains only one ounce, may not be able to hold boiling water boil one quart of (according to the manufacturer can make parasitic 4 cups under optimal conditions of course).

I tried to find another model deeper but not found.

Does אתה1אחרים know, deeper model?

There is also the product mentioned Sergei:
Http://www.packafeather.com/xlstove.html

It contains, but heavier, and the material that allows shake.

And the Trang as Greg and nothing:

Http://www.traildesigns.com/stoves/caldera-ti-tri

Large and cumbersome, and expensive (think geek product, especially cooked-boil).

I'd love to hear ideas and opinions.

Thank you.
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#51 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:52:26 PM(UTC)
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I am the proud owner of MSR WINDPRO 2 whose link has already given up here. This is an excellent product (MSR should not add). Weighs around 200 g and mask works in any situation and weather. As far as I'm concerned, I haven't seen reason to start "dealing" with the issue of choeliot-to buy alcohol, safety, and all this to save 120 grams. I use years of Alpine amgazit, senior switched now to the MSR hamgazit passed away. From my experience regular Alpine Kira (KOVEA SPIDER) also works at an altitude of 5000 + then the one who think that enabled work without a problem, I put my life in the hands of engineers of MSR. Today the availability of gas flare in Europe, North and South America is very high. In the East, but still wasn't sure of 230 g experience enough 8 cooking days per person, so I don't think availability consideration.
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#52 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 1:47:45 PM(UTC)
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Thank you for the information.

The idea to turn the tank in cold and, in order to increase efficiency, it seems a good idea.

Definitely consider to purchase such a hotplate when (KOVEA Compact) will collapse, and for high-altitude hikes.

MSR great company-I have a friend who's very happy with another model (Phuket rocket).

Glad to learn that the bulb containers availability increasing, it may resolve one of the problems mentioned above.

I realized that United can achieve even containers of 110 g for short routes, thereby reducing the gaps and volume weight compared to chohliia (in Israel it cannot achieve them, I checked several times).

Does the routes require boiling liters, not consider taking a ohliia?
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#53 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 4:56:23 PM(UTC)
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The United States has not yet visited but common in Europe are certainly (all Decathlon). I'm going on a trip overseas, it won't be for a few days and are therefore irrelevant.
In terms of availability of containers at all-my assumption is that everything you do track what port town begins to trek, and track such shops generally travellers (such as La India/Porto natels in) unless it's Tru iicang crazy and then it's another story. So the question is what kind of trip you're aiming generally: If you travel light in ultraviolet routes can count by the walking them year-gas burner not come into consideration. If you travel that tries to go easy but not ready to flip out to save you on 150 Alpine and Kira.
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#54 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 5:57:56 PM(UTC)
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You're right. In the scenario described-experience abroad but I will see p98-preferred routes.

However, there are scenarios where you'd rather gather as ohliia.
For example; The trip alone three days old with a small backpack (I went to quite a few tracks with 36-year-old casing in which the volume is a significant consideration).
In such a scenario, I carry a bottle of alcohol (it can even crush after use), instead of you gas tank large and cumbersome.
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#55 Posted : Wednesday, August 13, 2014 12:09:50 AM(UTC)
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Agree with you there or scenarios. My vision was that if you go out for a night or three or five difference is only the amount of food being and tent/shcsh/mattress/cooking equipment carry anyway.
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#56 Posted : Friday, August 15, 2014 4:49:01 PM(UTC)
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I would move to take a step back. As I recall you travel mostly by yourself. Why do you need to boil water boiling? If it's cleansing purposes and measures more than simmers.

Large amounts of water for parasitic, of any travel, many quarts I'd reconsider the blowtorch. Nevertheless, in terms of efficiency and speed of check of ality Caldera cones.

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#57 Posted : Saturday, August 16, 2014 7:16:32 AM(UTC)
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Brian, thanks for your patience and willingness to learn.

Indeed, I usually travel alone (additional hikes obviously rather see p98) and sometimes I use boil also purge (only sometimes, and this is often a product will be-below).

Use the space that I do on a hotplate answering the following properties:

1. generally speaking, campgrounds only, and not during the day.

2. I prefer meals prepared with boiling water, so you don't need to measure allowing regulation.

3. I boil a three rtachot (approximately 2.5 liters) every night in the parking lot. West Kettle serves me dinner and tea. Another kettle filling the water bottle and water I boil again before first light for hot drinks before heading to the track, and then during the raushnot (the water temperature is kept in the bottle).

Since I am not stopping to boil, and because I need to modulate the intensity of the flames, and of course in light of the amounts, I think one or two space lline, rather as ohliia.

On second thought, I think her safety of sterliit-its impressive front flips and shaking-overcomes the limited content. It is best to boil a little less water and be sure.

Purge.

As a rule, I prefer to carry all the water you need.

Since I needed to clear case, I intend to invite the mini Sawyer (actually I already tried, but something went wrong in the process, I don't understand what I'm doing with the books in English, but the Internet is probably another language ...). Try again.

In many cases, done filtering, chlorination and put in my pocket, side water can get hot and will increase the effectiveness of chlorine. Because I boil the water to benefit dinner, tea and used water filtering and chlerti them, instead of putting them filled in. Drinking water already in the field without boiling and under certain circumstances even without chlorination – I'm not sure it was a smart move.

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#58 Posted : Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:36:18 PM(UTC)
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In my experience with aleit tatonka Alpine cold weather, I hold the container with alcohol next to the body in internal pocket and windscreen.
Heat the liquid gas pressure, provides and protects from swine fever keeps chalia, then no problem.
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#59 Posted : Thursday, September 4, 2014 10:20:17 PM(UTC)
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Thank you so much for the tips.
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