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נועם גוטמן  
#1 Posted : Saturday, September 27, 2014 7:39:19 PM(UTC)
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Hello everyone,

I'm thinking about going on the trail West of mitzpe Ramon Sapphire (planning is for two days during Sukkot).

I have a few questions for those who already went that way.

  1. Do you need a tent during Sukkot? It comes out in mid-October this year.
  2. Which is better:, Speer Mitzpeh Ramon or the reverse?
  3. Are there bounces between the two communities?
  4. Is there a setting somewhere along the water for
  5. Whether the path is clearly marked, or maps?
  6. What is the anticipated temperature during Sukkot?

Thanks to everyone and a happy new year!

Noam

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#2 Posted : Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:09:15 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = Aliya; 581774]

Hello everyone,

I'm thinking about going on the trail West of mitzpe Ramon Sapphire (planning is for two days during Sukkot).

The night is back dune makes the Division into days to 20 km and 30 km (approx.).

I have a few questions for those who already went that way.

  1. Do you need a tent during Sukkot? It comes out in mid-October this year.  It's a personal matter in terms of the weather.
  2. Which is better:, Speer Mitzpeh Ramon or the reverse?  I have no idea what your fitness but for the record I would start if Sapphire doesn't make it to the second day Ramon can cut Khan wells. 
  3. Are there bounces between the two communities? And it's not positive. no alternative short drive: drive south in Sapphire and then hitchhiked to Mitzpeh Ramon, it's hard to do that on the second day after the end of the runway in the opposite direction that public transport, ride mitzpe Ramon tsihor junction, where a ride to Paran and tidy to.
  4. Is there a setting somewhere along the water for Has the private landfill back to life as far as I know check with Berger in the list laid in oikishbil. 
  5. Whether the path is clearly marked, or maps? But check map should, of course, if you're alone.
  6. What is the anticipated temperature during Sukkot? It's two weeks and still no ... pouting Bowers forecast to rain.

Thanks to everyone and a happy new year!

Noam

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#3 Posted : Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:55:21 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = Aliya; 581774]

Hello everyone,

I'm thinking about going on the trail West of mitzpe Ramon Sapphire (planning is for two days during Sukkot).

The night is back dune makes the Division into days to 20 km and 30 km (approx.).

I have a few questions for those who already went that way.

  1. Do you need a tent during Sukkot? It comes out in mid-October this year.  It's a personal matter in terms of the weather.
  2. Which is better:, Speer Mitzpeh Ramon or the reverse?  I have no idea what your fitness but for the record I would start if Sapphire doesn't make it to the second day Ramon can cut Khan wells. 
  3. Are there bounces between the two communities? And it's not positive. no alternative short drive: drive south in Sapphire and then hitchhiked to Mitzpeh Ramon, it's hard to do that on the second day after the end of the runway in the opposite direction that public transport, ride mitzpe Ramon tsihor junction, where a ride to Paran and tidy to.
  4. Is there a setting somewhere along the water for Has the private landfill back to life as far as I know check with Berger in the list laid in oikishbil. 
  5. Whether the path is clearly marked, or maps? But check map should, of course, if you're alone.
  6. What is the anticipated temperature during Sukkot? It's two weeks and still no ... pouting Bowers forecast to rain.

Thanks to everyone and a happy new year!

Noam

יענקל'ה, I think you have mistaken. The distance from the back dune to Ramon about 40 km and 30 as you wrote.

When I went the day Israel had long and difficult walk from mitzpe Ramon Sandy came back almost last light. The next day I went to.

If not (Noam) fit I think a 60 km in 2 days in the middle of the desert is not really recommended and should recommend to add day walk

Or shorten the track.

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#4 Posted : Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:32:52 PM(UTC)
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Friends,

Thank you for the important information, it certainly encourages me to go for.

In terms of my fitness that shouldn't be a problem: I travel for many years, and so far all I've done Trek.

The only problem I think will be the logistics (bounces and landfills), which is something I never used to have to value accordingly.

Thanks again,

Noam

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#5 Posted : Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:21:20 PM(UTC)
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Most go this section in three days rather than two.
Even if you allow two didn't do it.
That's the path I've walked (and walked the whole trail except the last 120 km will do)
And go and enjoy spectacular views.

The conventional wisdom (as you go from North to South):

Mitzpe Ramon-saronim garage (or walk away from management to Khan in wells and favorable conditions and a shower).
Saronim garage parking Ms. Conn.
Dune back parking lot.

I think it is better to go in this direction than in the wrong direction.

No need-tent. The night camps are located in the crater and cold there in October. Take a flying.

The landfills was ever fixed back Sandy landfill. Don't know if it exists.

Ons-but during Chol hamoed Sukkot crater filled and I will not be a problem to get some free popup ג'יפאי.

Weather cannot be predicted more than 2 days in advance, especially during transition.
October date for one to many Flash floods on the other hand, especially in this area (called a sea channel controls the seasons beyond.
And affects mostly South and East of the country. The couple generated floods in mythological events Sukkot in previous years).
You will need to follow in the days leading up to and during walking.

Spend.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:46:48 PM(UTC)
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Thank you Yuval, definitely food for thought.

Another question: is there a cellular signal along the trail?

Thank you

Noam

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#7 Posted : Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:48:43 PM(UTC)
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Thanks STARDUST. True 40 km and 30 km error in fourth-grade arithmetic . So if you're not in great shape three days.

As Yuval. Along this route there are quite a few sections without absorption especially in the area of Ms. Conn.

Edited by user Wednesday, October 1, 2014 10:50:08 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#8 Posted : Sunday, September 28, 2014 7:45:52 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = Aliya; 581774]

Which is better:, Speer Mitzpeh Ramon or the reverse?

-this depends on several factors:

1) how and when-if you arrive by public transport so you can get a bus/night of Eilat to Sapphire, Sapphire and then Park in the early morning.

A second option for short track with public transportation is that buses of mitzpe Ramon and Eilat and eye saronim and go towards.

2) personal preference about more rate increases or decreases-Speer Mitzpeh is 2050 m and 1200 m increases in aggregate.

* Precise distances observed in GPS who may help to design:

Sapir Park until parking lot the night Ms. Conn 22 km with about 600 meters and 400 meters ups downs.

Garage night Ms. Conn to mitzpe Ramon-35 km with about 800 meters and 1450 m ups downs.

Saronim eye on the road to dune back parking lot 24 km with about 850 metres and rises 500, Mr downs.

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#9 Posted : Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:43:55 PM(UTC)
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Hey Allie,

Thanks for the info, it certainly helps.

Do you saronim night parking lot has water for filling bottles, or where there is a need for huge (or walk/ride to Khan wells for water filling)?

Sincerely,

Noam

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#10 Posted : Monday, September 29, 2014 4:42:50 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = Aliya; 581808]

Do you saronim night parking lot has water for filling bottles, or where there is a need for huge (or walk/ride to Khan wells for water filling)?

No water in the parking lot to ein saronim night as far as I know and have to go to Khan in wells.

If you go directly to the gate for Ram?n mfar Israel so that something like 5.5 km if cuts suppose Ramon toward Khan wells road and then through the saronim red eye reaches it's sort of like tones mfar 10.5 km that is approximately 5 miles.

But then missing the saronim.

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#11 Posted : Monday, September 29, 2014 9:05:17 AM(UTC)
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Check water cooperative capzzot: http://waterdrp.com/index.html

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#12 Posted : Wednesday, October 1, 2014 10:20:16 PM(UTC)
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Friends, last question: the topic at saronim eye-how to Chan wells? I might have to make your way there to fill water.

Thank you

Noam

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#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 1, 2014 10:49:03 PM(UTC)
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Distance 2 miles.

By question I gather you have no map. Recommend not to go out into the field without one.

Don't rely on the fact that good markup Mistakes happen, and in desert accident can be expensive.

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#14 Posted : Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:39:52 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = Aliya; 581837]

Friends, last question: the topic at saronim eye-how to Chan wells? I might have to make your way there to fill water.

Thank you

Noam

Join jankel on the map-basic question.

Besides-going to overnight parking lot shades? As far as the saronim side parking only (near the spring itself don't sleep anyway, because it will revive their water source).

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#15 Posted : Thursday, October 2, 2014 7:33:34 AM(UTC)
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Harmonix. Saronim parking is the parking lot only. Distance from the parking lot also tones 3.

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#16 Posted : Thursday, October 2, 2014 4:57:44 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for the tips, I might actually sleep in Khan wells or shades.

Noam
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, October 7, 2014 10:25:43 PM(UTC)
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You plan your walk. While this is possible, but it's a long walk. I was going to finish the Khan wells (often you can find away to ride out if not to sleep there at night, and to come out on Tuesday morning to the road, and then hitchhiked). Personally, I really like the track from mitzpe Ramon to Sapphire, but although I'm a great fit I would prefer him not to go, but in three days (and I'm going with three.)
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