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naty_h  
#1 Posted : Friday, October 3, 2014 1:36:54 AM(UTC)
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How that happens to experts?

Http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/jp-extreme-a-auclair-skier-killed-in-avalanche-1.2783133

Only extreme skier Jean-Philippe Auclair was found dead after an avalanche that struck San Lorenzo mountain in Patagonia on Monday.

National Geographic's Carl Andreas Fransson, originally of Sweden, was also found dead.

Chilean police officers and members of the armed forces were working to recover their bodies in a joint rescue operation on Wednesday.

Authorities said Fransson and arrived in Aysen region Auclair of Chile's Patagonia on Thursday along with two other tourists from Sweden. They had been hiking the 3,600-metre mountain and disappeared when a wall of rocks and snow cascaded down, dragging them to a stream in Argentine directory service.

The two survivors in the group were treated at a local hospital, and police said they provided information to help to locate the bodies.

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#2 Posted : Friday, October 3, 2014 9:19:34 AM(UTC)
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Avalanches come in the category of risk objective (Objective Hazard). In the sports world, for example all types of climbing or skiing. About all the dangers that are not affected by the professional level.
No matter how good you are at what you do, you have no way to predict avalanches or landslides in most cases.

Often, the most professional people are in. In order to obtain good endorsements and exposure you want need to do special things and exceptions. Sports agent like that too often about being right on the edge.

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#3 Posted : Friday, October 3, 2014 12:09:19 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = arthur; 581850]

Avalanches come in the category of risk objective (Objective Hazard). In the sports world, for example all types of climbing or skiing. About all the dangers that are not affected by the professional level.
No matter how good you are at what you do, you have no way to predict avalanches or landslides in most cases.

Often, the most professional people are in. In order to obtain good endorsements and exposure you want need to do special things and exceptions. Sports agent like that too often about being right on the edge.

Sat last six hours reading every bit of information written about this event, in English and Spanish, the English-language articles were to konies but the Spanish just dsnioul really began, and hinted toward critical articles for the companies causing skiers to venture exactly for the reasons specified.

Some of the stories the near accident events of Liz Dali close time and place so near, as implicitly criticized:

Http://www.splitboardmag.com/girls. liz-daley,

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#4 Posted : Friday, October 3, 2014 1:33:34 PM(UTC)
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Nati

In my last Trek got 2900 m height above a thunderstorm which was very unpleasant.

Is it possible to predict this event and is as dangerous as we thought?

Thank you

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#5 Posted : Friday, October 3, 2014 2:50:28 PM(UTC)
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Nati

In my last Trek got 2900 m height above a thunderstorm which was very unpleasant.

Is it possible to predict this event and is as dangerous as we thought?

Thank you

In a word Yes the answer to two questions.

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#6 Posted : Friday, October 3, 2014 3:01:31 PM(UTC)
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Short and sweet

Thank you

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#7 Posted : Friday, October 3, 2014 3:37:35 PM(UTC)
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If I may add.

It is very difficult to know how dangerous the situation was encountered, could very well be that Heath had him in a lightning storm, but the storm was away from you and it was just.. This can be tricky.
Predict a thunderstorm is possible, but not in all cases. With proper use of the barometer. Everywhere I go with my clock with barometer I trust (after chiilati him of course and I checked that is inaccurate).

Precisely because everything is so kind. Need to rely on trying to be an individual and to acquire experience slowly without risking unnecessary.

A few tips:

Plan the timeline progress so that when there is suspicion of a thunderstorm, do not try to stay in the trees don't cross an open field area like cleavage.
Mountain areas in summer, there is a high chance of storms this afternoon after sunny morning. So it's a good idea to go early to get to the pit stop before the afternoon.
The map (if you know how to use them properly) is very important, especially in areas where the weather is unpredictable, when I'm in the area I'm planning some mountain escape points (points where I could descend to the Valley quickly) or alternative lower hinges or safer (not on exposed ridge line) in case I encountered an electrical storm, which I used quite a bit in the Carpathian crossing this year.

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#8 Posted : Friday, October 3, 2014 3:59:46 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Arthur.

Forecast for the day was windy but not lightning. The lightning storm started when I was very ו"האדמה bar was shaking under my feet," not to mention the powerful thunderstorm that came along with the lightning.

I realized that I needed to go down so fast and so lost half running and after about 10 Wed lightning storm ended. "The incident was around 12:30 p.m.-1:00 pm.

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#9 Posted : Sunday, October 5, 2014 11:59:53 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Arthur.

Forecast for the day was windy but not lightning. The lightning storm started when I was very ו"האדמה bar was shaking under my feet," not to mention the powerful thunderstorm that came along with the lightning.

I realized that I needed to go down so fast and so lost half running and after about 10 Wed lightning storm ended. "The incident was around 12:30 p.m.-1:00 pm.

Popeye usually cause Lightning:

Lightning arising from electric potential difference trunk very high this difference results from the hatinanot tinanot's water caused by friction between water vapor rising to such a charge, such finds are always on storm clouds only their development could create such a storm cloud charge starts summer usually created a high dew point when the relative humidity is 100 percent starts condensing this summer in Europe ranges from 2000-2500 meters , The cost could be between 4 to 20 meters per second so that cloud peak is the height of the tropopause 12-14 km approximately between 600-2500 seconds between 10 minutes to more than 40 minutes, resulting from friction between the air and the down and out creates a static electric charge resulting from which clouds thunderstorm, cumulonimbus cloud storm called these, or thunder storm cloud, how easy it is to anticipate this development take a look here. :

-Http://www.amazon.com/Pyle-PSWWM82BK-Multifunction Chronograph, Altimeter-dp/B00EDDAMT4/ref = pd_bxgy_sg_text_y

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#10 Posted : Tuesday, October 7, 2014 12:04:25 PM(UTC)
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The most important thing to understand about lightning storms is this storm releases an enormous amount of energy, this energy had to load, to wake up the system so strong demand mean time must appear precursors in the area before the storm, these signs very prominent time they give sufficient notice that is predictable.

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#11 Posted : Tuesday, October 7, 2014 1:49:22 PM(UTC)
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Can you elaborate? What telltale signs? Did the signs in the field or in total clock barometer etc?

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#12 Posted : Tuesday, October 7, 2014 2:24:38 PM(UTC)
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Another question, if you please:

I read somewhere that the traveler in a lightning storm should stay away from equipment, to get into the open, hatchder, and wait for the storm.

Is it true and if not, what is the correct way of help?

Thank you.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, October 7, 2014 8:22:50 PM(UTC)
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Can you elaborate? What telltale signs? Did the signs in the field or in total clock barometer etc?

It has many precursors the most obvious sign is the same decompression Chinese clock see reviews of the link uploaded according to area rainfall predicted eight hours before, the most obvious sign is instability index index appears to be exactly what the intensity of activity but requires quite a long explanation, so it's hard to convey the answer here, I have a group called meteorology on Facebook to raise explanation links and articles that are so worth it to take a look there.

There's a point move stated clearly that it's better to be out in the open, but this is already the best defensive statistics from a lightning storm is not run to end like that, you go out to mean building shelter close maoha as Libya's martial law and therefore has no electric charge, but I have to stop here before revealing the Amnon Langi and his harmonic wave Scouts and others. Complain because things here are related to sports. What to do against stupidity even the gods do not answer.

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#14 Posted : Tuesday, October 7, 2014 10:16:51 PM(UTC)
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To be open but this is already the best defensive statistics from a lightning storm is not run to end like that, you go out to mean building shelter close maoha as Libya's martial law and therefore has no electric charge, but I have to stop here before revealing the Amnon Langi and his harmonic wave Scouts and others. Complain because things here are related to sports. What to do against stupidity even the gods do not answer.

So don't complain-I'd love if you share us with infinite wisdom. After all these things are related to the topic of this forum most spilled text here, since you started to grace us with your presence.

You're right about the stupidity.

Gone — in contrast to know all that above, I think (not just me), if you have a few minutes rather preferred to descend into the tree line (rather than to stand next to the tall trees) and not to be planar and open. But it's advisable to avoid lhatmkam beside route control (rock, Lake etc).

About the position that should be taken if too late, I've seen descriptions of similar to thatposition. Not the time, and I hope I never got too.

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#15 Posted : Tuesday, October 7, 2014 10:43:46 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = HarmonicWave; 581891]

[Quote = naty_h; 581889]

To be open but this is already the best defensive statistics from a lightning storm is not run to end like that, you go out to mean building shelter close maoha as Libya's martial law and therefore has no electric charge, but I have to stop here before revealing the Amnon Langi and his harmonic wave Scouts and others. Complain because things here are related to sports. What to do against stupidity even the gods do not answer.

So don't complain-I'd love if you share us with infinite wisdom. After all these things are related to the topic of this forum most spilled text here, since you started to grace us with your presence.

You're right about the stupidity.

Gone — in contrast to know all that above, I think (not just me), if you have a few minutes rather preferred to descend into the tree line (rather than to stand next to the tall trees) and not to be planar and open. But it's advisable to avoid lhatmkam beside route control (rock, Lake etc).

About the position that should be taken if too late, I've seen descriptions of similar to thatposition. Not the time, and I hope I never got too.

Easy to spot an idiot. Sorry for the blatant.

Since I put in the machine answer wrote that it is better to be out in the open and it's better to be in the shelter and told.

So that you're in disguise market of light also fell into the trap.

Nevermind this forum may now start to figure out exactly who you are, what you know and what you're worth.

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#16 Posted : Tuesday, October 7, 2014 10:51:19 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = naty_h; 581894]

[Quote = HarmonicWave; 581891]

[Quote = naty_h; 581889]

To be open but this is already the best defensive statistics from a lightning storm is not run to end like that, you go out to mean building shelter close maoha as Libya's martial law and therefore has no electric charge, but I have to stop here before revealing the Amnon Langi and his harmonic wave Scouts and others. Complain because things here are related to sports. What to do against stupidity even the gods do not answer.

So don't complain-I'd love if you share us with infinite wisdom. After all these things are related to the topic of this forum most spilled text here, since you started to grace us with your presence.

You're right about the stupidity.

Gone — in contrast to know all that above, I think (not just me), if you have a few minutes rather preferred to descend into the tree line (rather than to stand next to the tall trees) and not to be planar and open. But it's advisable to avoid lhatmkam beside route control (rock, Lake etc).

About the position that should be taken if too late, I've seen descriptions of similar to thatposition. Not the time, and I hope I never got too.

Easy to spot an idiot. Sorry for the blatant.

Since I put in the machine answer wrote that it is better to be out in the open and it's better to be in the shelter and told.

So that you're in disguise market of light also fell into the trap.

Nevermind this forum may now start to figure out exactly who you are, what you know and what you're worth.

Every word in stone!

naty_h  
#17 Posted : Tuesday, October 7, 2014 10:54:12 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = go; 581888] another question, if you please:

I read somewhere that the traveler in a lightning storm should stay away from equipment, to get into the open, hatchder, and wait for the storm.

Is it true and if not, what is the correct way of help?

Thank you.

Went for the record, don't get in a lightning storm, who explains how you go is one that leads to it, and looking for an escape route from this option existed!

Hang out with low-pressure clock when there's a warning there is doubt in doubt, don't take that risk.

A thunderstorm is a special occasion, you can identify it easily forecast, there is a thunderstorm that is early detection, the change in barometric pressure is a big enough to clearly notice even less sophisticated equipment, trails with no possibility for predictions, and there is an electrical storm that barometer will not recognize, like it's about a girl who saves him frozen in would have been saved had cheap Chinese watch costs $ 45 in Amazon It just didn't have to trek out to him this time, all barometer would recognize sudden decompression or low pressure port for low air pressure areas mountains without gear to a Blizzard and an appropriate attempt suicide. Plain and simple the difference between life and death in this case was around $ 200, all these things already written long Guide to weather and snow, the fact that there were those who wanted a forum I read things, and now are trying to cover up the fact that things already written here by, maybe easier on the Forum of people who don't understand the market in disguise equipment lightweight equipment Anyway, nice that you also explain how people defend what cannot defend him, who gets into an electrical storm his statistical chances of survival one number is not particularly high, the point is there's no luck technique for increasing ... To my understanding all gone have to understand weather, to understand the spoken word, not everyone understands the meaning of stormy weather, stormy weather Meir means could be a lightning storm, how likely this event, how visionaries will or won't be what time start end-end, when you can go safely when it is forbidden to go in any way?

Here should get a thorough explanation of mean understanding weather weather is a must for anyone who wants to go.

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