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stardust  
#21 Posted : Friday, October 17, 2014 12:58:36 PM(UTC)
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At this point I decided to postpone my plans to travel to Nepal to other, better times.

Not because I'm afraid. The truth is, I am afraid, but fear is the reason I decided to postpone the trip.

The idea of going out to where such a tragedy happened such a short time after that they held in travelers,

When you might have more people buried under the snow, still resounding sharo, seems not to matter. I don't think I can make

Fun in a place that only a short time ago were murdered where so many people.

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#22 Posted : Friday, October 17, 2014 1:47:15 PM(UTC)
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I think you're really, really, really wrong.

Teaching weather is fine for those who sit in front of synoptic and global models and want to know where the weather develops. That's not going to help the average traveler — even if this passes two-hour training-sitting in the evening in a cabin in a remote Valley and see what the best 500 m to Greece. If I understand true story I've seen in this case, the storm even the wrong professional contracts until the last few days, so how do you expect people to make better forecasts

Ditto regarding tutorial for in case of landslides and snow falls. Curbing the axe fall? Come on, as if that would help the average traveler Annapurna closest thing to hack has it's ldrman. Or do you also offer them to hang in there with personal AX just in case you didn't come? And crampons and harnesses?

Quote from traveling who brought up: "we were the last group left Monday afternoon for the Summit, despite everyone's warnings. When we arrived the only ל'פס (the track area) started, we went for about four hours until the next settlement, she recovers. "Other Israelis and tourists who were there left us and went on Tuesday morning. Unfortunately some of them were in the end. "

No need to fuss. There were warnings on Monday and people launched. And after the weather got bad turn anymore (although probably high end hasn't arrived), people again launched also on Tuesday. Against this training in weather models, and using ice axe won't help.

You can almost close the investigation Committee "in this quote. The say she might be overreacting and misleading, and not really throughout the warning was received. Firstly it sounds weird that I travelled Everest iiskamp I don't recall one village was completely cut off from emergency communications on a satellite phone, but say it really? so the solution is simply to improve communication systems in these huts and make sure they know to provide up-to-date weather forecast as normal Trek. And again, I really doubt it doesn't already.

Whoever stays in the hut with its warnings will be saved. Unequivocal. He may hang there for several days, it might be a short night for him on that end of the poop yaks to burn in the oven, he might be a little hungry after a week but it won't be life threatening.

There were a few "exit" points for travelers who still came to pass despite the weather. Tea House has a few km before the pass, and another right at the highest point, and I wonder whether it makes sense to require anpalim to ensure that such places can also be used as emergency huts such cases or not. Probably because it doesn't require too much groundwork (one-time transport emergency gear?).

Although you have to remember that people don't have to get there in the first place, but as evidence they were there all clergymen to descend quickly down despite the weather outside. This point too needs to improve Nepalese service and clarify the operators huts and tea this can't come back (assuming that's what indeed what happened). Clarification: it's not throwing that really, really, don't dismiss people responsible-that launched despite warnings. But should try to help them.

I really don't understand the written or chonvat:

There is no such thing as a rocket, have with understanding and familiarity.

No different to make people defensive collapse with ice axe, axe not helping the collapse!

There are different to elevate awareness of mountains and techniques.

About professional contracts: I think you lack the very basic structure in predicting what a prediction of the forecast objectives and vision

Hide yourself here on the one hand, you wrote: "the wrong storm professional contracts" and wrote

"Ufound despite all warnings, then decide what warnings were or were not

Now a brief explanation for the benefit who want to understand and predict lifecycle goals:

Sourcing shouldn't be hit accurately forecasting should analyse the possibilities and prospects of starting aviation access is access If there is doubt then no doubt!

In predicting and sports in General is to analyze the risks of harming air level risk. even if the storm had been far more because the increase instability and pull toward storms, so the storm can be lethal.

Two did not explain to people who said anything about forecasting hours

Who said that bshataim people learn to make predictions?

Want people to be able to understand not to produce forecasts them!

I talked about three days training at least two days the weather explanation of forecasting risk analysis understanding the types and equipment familiarization and tirgollot experience.

Yet even two can understand and approach to risk analysis and forecasting storms, enough to clarify these muddy landslides can cause rain in Annapurna, should not ever snow, got the avalanche that looked very scary exactly this trek, 200 feet wide avalanche, not enough to hurt people?

You can further analyze the terms what does Blizzard what snow freezes what can be seen when in minus 10 degrees harms reflecting a 60 mph due to wind and northward and freezes on reflecting the moment of impact, I got to experience this experience see is zero. Blindness and must now seek refuge for four hours when you are able to see the temperature is 10 degrees below freezing, now what are the chances of surviving a Blizzard?  The avalanche is just the appetizer was to die lptan easily without it:

These things should explain that some are not aware of can't know and understand!

Most importantly always have to understand that the ability to influence is limited but enough to save only one such lecture to exist.

Edited by user Friday, October 17, 2014 2:05:03 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#23 Posted : Friday, October 17, 2014 2:59:08 PM(UTC)
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, I think you just really looking for the lira below a flashlight: I understand you're a freak of weather forecasting and interpreting predictions, so think everyone should develop the same skills you like, in a three-day seminar (no less!) before they leave for trekking. I disagree completely.

This isn't about which remote mountain climbing expedition to reach 10 people a year, you really have to take care of herself to an updated forecast from hour to hour and its implications on various points in the orbit at different times of day.

Like the Annapurna route it takes is simple: the body responsible for distributing updated forecasts and behavior guide all the huts along the route, and the cabins are responsible to deliver those predictions for hikers and warn them from extreme weather. Put signs on the exit ש"אוסרים on track. (Flags on the beach, it is exactly the model which is all you need)

I guess such a mechanism already exists in one form another, just not enough organized (events fall through the cracks) and not official enough (people don't listen to instructions). Shouldn't be a problem for minimal investment to remedy the situation and minimize the chance of repeating such disaster.

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#24 Posted : Friday, October 17, 2014 3:43:19 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = chenav; 582068]

, I think you just really looking for the lira below a flashlight: I understand you're a freak of weather forecasting and interpreting predictions, so think everyone should develop the same skills you like, in a three-day seminar (no less!) before they leave for trekking. I disagree completely.

This isn't about which remote mountain climbing expedition to reach 10 people a year, you really have to take care of herself to an updated forecast from hour to hour and its implications on various points in the orbit at different times of day.

Like the Annapurna route it takes is simple: the body responsible for distributing updated forecasts and behavior guide all the huts along the route, and the cabins are responsible to deliver those predictions for hikers and warn them from extreme weather. Put signs on the exit ש"אוסרים on track. (Flags on the beach, it is exactly the model which is all you need)

I guess such a mechanism already exists in one form another, just not enough organized (events fall through the cracks) and not official enough (people don't listen to instructions). Shouldn't be a problem for minimal investment to remedy the situation and minimize the chance of repeating such disaster.

Chen urged again all my posts on the concatenating assignment.

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#25 Posted : Friday, October 17, 2014 6:34:49 PM(UTC)
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Don't be sad, STARDUST

I'm sure you've been waiting, and waiting, and again ...

But this season, to explore shdopa country:

The nachlialim is here, the cranes and pelicans. Soon the corn buntings (and other birds including those I know and maybe I can meet this year).

The generous autumn with us this year; Who knows, might take revenge on Monday for full backs?

I wouldn't be surprised if in two weeks already start to see the first colchicums, cyclamen and grace-daughter (and more flowers the same time start).

The Moon is empty and the sky full of bright stars waiting to find out them.

Holiday travelers returning to the class, collected trash it left and empty trails await us.

Don't get upset and start to organize STARDUST backpack.

Good luck.

Edited by user Friday, October 17, 2014 6:46:57 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#26 Posted : Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:32:26 AM(UTC)
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[Quote = go; 582071]

Don't be sad, STARDUST

I'm sure you've been waiting, and waiting, and again ...

But this season, to explore shdopa country:

The nachlialim is here, the cranes and pelicans. Soon the corn buntings (and other birds including those I know and maybe I can meet this year).

The generous autumn with us this year; Who knows, might take revenge on Monday for full backs?

I wouldn't be surprised if in two weeks already start to see the first colchicums, cyclamen and grace-daughter (and more flowers the same time start).

The Moon is empty and the sky full of bright stars waiting to find out them.

Holiday travelers returning to the class, collected trash it left and empty trails await us.

Don't get upset and start to organize STARDUST backpack.

Good luck.

Thanks, and as for my hiking season is beginning. Today!

For the siptach, shkmati and I went down to the dead sea. "Pampering" myself climbing up steep Destin (height difference of approx. 450 m)

Back down in the same way, and finally a refreshing dip in the dead sea. I was glad to discover that fitness terms not made too many "rust".

And after all this time and something I have been back home .

הלך  
#27 Posted : Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:24:46 PM(UTC)
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That's the spirit!
It is a treat.
I treated myself too short route between Modi'in NATAF, watching a fascinating encounter between jackals and deer, wild boar, Porcupine residential intensive, short-toed and freshly painted.

(Except aderbn, who met before first light, all the above documented if learn to upload images, I'd like to share).

Bother you in the list above, just to show that even if staying in the country, there is nothing to see.

There is a sentence that I tend to children after they were rejected or fail one way or another:

The word Yes opens one door, but the Word may not open many doors – if just trying.

Did life.

Edited by user Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:15:10 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

stardust  
#28 Posted : Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:16:40 PM(UTC)
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Gone, thanks again.

Your knowledge and describe indigenous fauna praise certainly enriches your travel experience. Unfortunately my (really) it ends more or less identify daisies and nachlialim. And when you know and then you know where to look and what to look. This is probably why you are having so many animals. No one.

If so here are three images mentioned hot from today:

Ein bokek waterfall

At about half the height of the cliffs

View from the top

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#29 Posted : Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:26:18 PM(UTC)
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Threading is very interesting and informative on Lonely Planet for those interested:

Https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/forums/asia-indian-subcontinent, nepal, travel-advisory:--snowstorms in-annapurna national park-page = 8

There are also links to current articles, more or less similar to what we just celebrated in ynet (minus the angle):

Kicked out of Nepal trekkers ' lodge during snow storm ' for deaths eight local blame greed

Http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/nepal/11170488/Nepal-trekkers-kicked-out-of-lodge-during-snow-storm-blame-local-greed-for-eight-deaths.html

The tourists ' blames Nepal cheap for snowstorm in Himalayas with falling to

Cheap-http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/17/nepal-tourists-snow-disaster

I'm not a professional writer, but judging by the direction the winds currently blowing

This Trek (and apparently others in Nepal) is going to change very much from next year. Manuals (no porters), prohibition on individual travellers.

And finally, a scary but thrilling climbs nadav Gutenberg sent Israeli rescue hangs in the Everest (I couldn't figure out exactly where):

Https://www.facebook.com/www.nadav.by/photos/a.582595561793062.1073741828.582130395172912/833549476697668/?type=1&permPage=1

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#30 Posted : Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:38:32 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = chenav; 582089]

Threading is very interesting and informative on Lonely Planet for those interested:

Https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/forums/asia-indian-subcontinent, nepal, travel-advisory:--snowstorms in-annapurna national park-page = 8

There are also links to current articles, more or less similar to what we just celebrated in ynet (minus the angle):

Kicked out of Nepal trekkers ' lodge during snow storm ' for deaths eight local blame greed

Http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/nepal/11170488/Nepal-trekkers-kicked-out-of-lodge-during-snow-storm-blame-local-greed-for-eight-deaths.html

The tourists ' blames Nepal cheap for snowstorm in Himalayas with falling to

Cheap-http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/17/nepal-tourists-snow-disaster

I'm not a professional writer, but judging by the direction the winds currently blowing

This Trek (and apparently others in Nepal) is going to change very much from next year. Manuals (no porters), prohibition on individual travellers.

And finally, a scary but thrilling climbs nadav Gutenberg sent Israeli rescue hangs in the Everest (I couldn't figure out exactly where):

Https://www.facebook.com/www.nadav.by/photos/a.582595561793062.1073741828.582130395172912/833549476697668/?type=1&permPage=1

There is no doubt that once the crisis locals contributed their part to the human disaster. Note that more than half of the fatalities were mainly local porters. Not only are they stuck in a storm just as visitors but they also carried their equipment. So this Nepali VASILEVICH throw. About the teahouse on evidences working people so I am aware of these effects. It's sad really.

Pardon my blatant but the Annapurna region. Also the track and shorter routes became a kind of circus. It's just ridiculous what's going on there. People think they're in any field trip with a guide to (apologize to send instructors I smpet.). For the record, not that it casts of this case, but Annapurna 1, itself, was for many years the number one mountain climbers who try to get him killed. More from K2. People don't understand that no matter what. No matter. Still is in the Himalayas. The ridges and the expected pleasure in the world. Lack of awareness and lack of thought made this human catastrophe.

I wasn't excited about the Nepali ahatlamot they were going to change managers trekking and prohibit individuals found or no. It usually ends in nothing.

Two years ago if I remember correctly declared it a angetang area because some lost hikers and not even nothing happened to them.

Of the month cut as their tea houses shatrokano on the Trek. Nepal too relies on tourism as its main source of income to waive the Undead Hordes won't be ready to go in a group or with a guide. That's nonsense, and it didn't catch even if they start with this procedure.

Not entirely sure where the guy dropped stuck.

Unfortunately I still can't find news about the climbers at daolgiri. Apparently they went. And that's really hard to extract. Sad.

Edited by user Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:45:29 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#31 Posted : Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:07:50 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = imtl; 582090]

There is no doubt that once the crisis locals contributed their part to the human disaster. Note that more than half of the fatalities were mainly local porters. Not only are they stuck in a storm just as visitors but they also carried their equipment. So this Nepali VASILEVICH throw. About the teahouse on evidences working people so I am aware of these effects. It's sad really.

I'm not talking about porters or guides to visitors disappear or lose them. I can understand how that happens, I will not blame them. All the money right now.

But reports of the leaves of tea from the expelled people and tried to get them off the whirlwind in apas, much beyond the limits of legitimacy. Without using harsh words.

It removes responsibility from the people who brought themselves to this situation, but if that's true, then of course these local responsibility for the consequences of this disaster.

Regarding the comments on ה"קרקס"-I tend to disagree. Although not traveled on Annapurna, but in the combo, but I didn't get that impression (then again, maybe I was one of the clowns?).

In fact, (sorry to repeat this clich?) around the world are killed every year in road accidents per 100 thousand people 18 people, and Annapurna trekkers each year about 100 thousand people (and about 30,000 on «EBC) and we're not approaching those numbers.

About everything else-see. You have to remember that this catastrophe joins the tragedy occurred on Mount Everest in April, so that pressure on the Nepalese tourism services will be very large to make changes, even if they popolistis.

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#32 Posted : Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:10:57 PM(UTC)
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The spectacular images!

I don't know, I really don't, and until a few years ago I knew so little. I'm just trying to learn.
Turn a topic thread (the previous uploaded my reactions to offer little to Miss medication), but since no "ו"פטור "logo, to give some examples:

Stars-start Group or star it, and identify and learn who her neighbors, and with accessories such as Atlas, maps of stars around, etc. (Example: Orion, group of clearly recognizable, you can find the winter Hexagon, with stars from both "the Zodiac" Gemini and ware with ה"מזלות" to find planets with the planets can be found in and around the zodiac. Thus rolling).

Growing and learning-easy way is by using photo comparison and various accessories. Of course, it takes place. Plants, for example, can start in Neot Kedumim, and in different seasons. If you arrive in the spring, it's hard to miss his impressive flowering redbud. A second look gives him the unique animals, and can then identify the other seasons too.
On one leg.

I'm really sorry for the off topic thread. I wish everyone will return safely, and that the lessons learned and implemented event.
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#33 Posted : Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:03:05 PM(UTC)
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[Quote = chenav; 582091]

[Quote = imtl; 582090]

There is no doubt that once the crisis locals contributed their part to the human disaster. Note that more than half of the fatalities were mainly local porters. Not only are they stuck in a storm just as visitors but they also carried their equipment. So this Nepali VASILEVICH throw. About the teahouse on evidences working people so I am aware of these effects. It's sad really.

I'm not talking about porters or guides to visitors disappear or lose them. I can understand how that happens, I will not blame them. All the money right now.

But reports of the leaves of tea from the expelled people and tried to get them off the whirlwind in apas, much beyond the limits of legitimacy. Without using harsh words.

It removes responsibility from the people who brought themselves to this situation, but if that's true, then of course these local responsibility for the consequences of this disaster.

Regarding the comments on ה"קרקס"-I tend to disagree. Although not traveled on Annapurna, but in the combo, but I didn't get that impression (then again, maybe I was one of the clowns?).

In fact, (sorry to repeat this clich?) around the world are killed every year in road accidents per 100 thousand people 18 people, and Annapurna trekkers each year about 100 thousand people (and about 30,000 on «EBC) and we're not approaching those numbers.

About everything else-see. You have to remember that this catastrophe joins the tragedy occurred on Mount Everest in April, so that pressure on the Nepalese tourism services will be very large to make changes, even if they popolistis.

Hey,

I agree with you about that teahouse owner if so. Unfortunately there are also delusional behavior with Nepali.

About the circus. So you did if you weren't so you don't see Annapurna?. And open discussion here pay for some visitors behavior and the Israelis in their heads. Even if it's just in terms of the lack of personal responsibility and awareness of where they are. Politeness matters and public behavior I won't because it has no place in a thread nor sensitive moments.

Again I say to you. I don't know you. Everything I'm writing I'm always speaking out. On the terkrist. I assume you're not like that. Therefore not aimed at you talk.

I have no idea how you got numbers coming in but they are not even close to reality. You can divide both 10 and it will be a little closer. I mean I'd say 10000 a year on Annapurna and 3,000 in solo combo.

Comparative accidents no wrong comparison bar. Completely. The frequency of vehicles is much higher. By the way, no need to look only for a disaster of this magnitude. Injuries (fractures, etc) and each year have heights victims each season all the time. We just don't hear about them. And more important, deaths in Nepal and similar countries on a regular basis. I'd say even this but maybe monthly weekly closer to reality. Deaths as a result of air מ"מזג. Just never hear about them.

Annapurna was the area several times. On all sides. Do you know how many times I've seen the crackpots think that run over and then they'd be quickly passim for cannons. Ditto also spread over the top (and embarrass everyone and to violate the dignity of faith-a local aaimlaya and they sacred passim) I helped tie a guy paratroopers patrol had a lot to prove to his friends what he ו"רץ" Heather Cannon her. The seizures and vomiting all over we tied him to a stretcher to bring him quickly porters down apas hasn't forgotten. He was hospitalized for a week. And the weather was great!

There will be no pressure from terkristim. Maybe because the tourism industry. But when the tourists start so Polly fall so they will change it again. Let's see they all begin with these regulations. Now this lady Extravaganza have statements to the media and more.

Edited by user Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:10:31 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#34 Posted : Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:30:26 PM(UTC)
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I saw with my own eyes (and took) the visitors at the entrance to the Valley of the combo. In 2009, they crossed the 30,000 visitors a year, and it continues to rise since.

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I saw with my own eyes (and took) the visitors at the entrance to the Valley of the combo. In 2009, they crossed the 30,000 visitors a year, and it continues to rise since.

Visitors don't say terkristim. There are many people who take a trip to the region and exported to trek.

And you should take a grain of salt the signs in Nepal. Also say that the Paz Bethesda in the world and has nothing to do with reality.

The Nepali also says 6 million every year in Nepal. So they say And yet ....

I decided to check myself and like justice to the numbers. At least according to a number of credentials to the Annapurna Sanctuary. So I correct myself. Here is a link to data for those interested page 27:

Http://www.theseus.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/53494/lama_Dil%20Bikram.pdf?sequence=1

Very interesting because I felt the enormous amounts that are described here at around. But it certainly felt taking into consideration also the von Hill and ABC plus other vegetables. The Park is huge with many tracks. By the way ... After coming to Georgia so you can barely see the tourists. Because the road was paved.

BTW, now I get half way then paved Annapurna crowds taking transportation and places only on foot.

Unfortunately the overall death toll rose ל43.

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Unfortunately I still can't find news about the climbers at daolgiri. Apparently they went. And that's really hard to extract. Sad.

Five climbers killed in camp would.

Http://theadventureblog.blogspot.co.il/2014/10/himalaya-fall-2014-avalanche-claims.html

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Has a Facebook page with updates:

Annapurna Nepal Avalanche and Blizzard Info Share:

Https://www.facebook.com/pages/Annapurna-Nepal-Avalanche-and-Blizzard-Info-Share/336895043154367

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#38 Posted : Saturday, October 18, 2014 7:44:24 PM(UTC)
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Strengthening certain imtl's thesis about the nature of leisure travellers Annapurna
You can find right here in this forum.

I think 400-300 Israelis (at least!) going annually the Annapurna.

I estimate about 100 a year--going on a bit less in TMB Alta via 1.

Apparently, according to these numbers should be here Threading Annapurna "Monster"-300 pages. Where is it?

The TMB threads and Alta via cross the 70 pages and tens of thousands of views. See whoever goes out there and digging and investigating and preparing
Just like see lanaporna going with the guys "and" Saul did it last year, so can I. "

Even on popular treks as and venoaz or out Corsica you might do 20-10 Israelis a year there distinguished threads with lots of information.

And Annapurna? Nada!

It's not weather and reading weather maps that lack basic preparedness at all levels
Not taking gear (a British hiker who helped in the rescue said that people covered their heads with plastic sheets just like Hermon.)
Don't make physical and mental preparation is suitable and that dismal result.
Of course, the Nepalese authorities don't go here.
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[Quote = Artuom; 582096]

[Quote = imtl; 582090]

Unfortunately I still can't find news about the climbers at daolgiri. Apparently they went. And that's really hard to extract. Sad.

Five climbers killed in camp would.

Http://theadventureblog.blogspot.co.il/2014/10/himalaya-fall-2014-avalanche-claims.html

Upset me very much. Here is a picture of the rise towards the French vendor (5400 m) adaolgiri base camp in 2009 (the day after the storm that caught me on the way there)

(

And here's a picture of the pretty abyis this camp Italia (3700 m, two days before the daolgiri base camp)

And unlike thousands of segregation. The chickens coming to IND. la Annapurna (5416 m). The bulk of tourists there is unbelievable. What is really beautiful over there.

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[Quote = iobelsh; 582098] strengthening certain imtl's thesis about the nature of leisure travellers Annapurna
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I think 400-300 Israelis (at least!) going annually the Annapurna.

I estimate about 100 a year--going on a bit less in TMB Alta via 1.

Apparently, according to these numbers should be here Threading Annapurna "Monster"-300 pages. Where is it?

The TMB threads and Alta via cross the 70 pages and tens of thousands of views. See whoever goes out there and digging and investigating and preparing
Just like see lanaporna going with the guys "and" Saul did it last year, so can I. "

Even on popular treks as and venoaz or out Corsica you might do 20-10 Israelis a year there distinguished threads with lots of information.

And Annapurna? Nada!

It's not weather and reading weather maps that lack basic preparedness at all levels
Not taking gear (a British hiker who helped in the rescue said that people covered their heads with plastic sheets just like Hermon.)
Don't make physical and mental preparation is suitable and that dismal result.
Of course, the Nepalese authorities don't go here.

300-400 Israelis in years not even close to reality. High camp before she had torveng with me over 30 Israelis. And that's just one lonely day Annapurna. It comes in. The percentage in Annapurna is enormous compared to the size of our population.

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